What if Jared Loughner were a Muslim?
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because nobody thinks for themselves
His ideas were really symbols and values that he had merely adopted from society and his particular experience within it.
He just so happened to not grow up in an improvished village in "afghanistan" where the group think of his herd was blowing himself up right after shouting "Allahu Akbar".
its the same all around, not excluding anybody on this forum.
you argued "isnt it just as ignorant to call him an extremist as it is to call him a terrorist?" and act as if that was the origin of debate here.
the fact is both are ignorant, so quit trying to find something to debate about.
now let me ask you a question.
do you believe that you are crazy?
His ideas were really symbols and values that he had merely adopted from society and his particular experience within it.
He just so happened to not grow up in an improvished village in "afghanistan" where the group think of his herd was blowing himself up right after shouting "Allahu Akbar".
its the same all around, not excluding anybody on this forum.
you argued "isnt it just as ignorant to call him an extremist as it is to call him a terrorist?" and act as if that was the origin of debate here.
the fact is both are ignorant, so quit trying to find something to debate about.
now let me ask you a question.
do you believe that you are crazy?
@SeriouslyThug
If no one thinks for themselves, are you including yourself?
I wasn't trying to claim the original debate was about Loughner being labeled an extremist. I found some possible flaws with the article and I pointed them out.
And I'm pretty sure what you said about Loughner and the way his ideas were formed based on experience and society applies to everyone who is conscious and self-aware. I'm also sure that different people process them differently.
And no I don't believe I'm crazy. Do you think I am? What about yourself?
If no one thinks for themselves, are you including yourself?
I wasn't trying to claim the original debate was about Loughner being labeled an extremist. I found some possible flaws with the article and I pointed them out.
And I'm pretty sure what you said about Loughner and the way his ideas were formed based on experience and society applies to everyone who is conscious and self-aware. I'm also sure that different people process them differently.
And no I don't believe I'm crazy. Do you think I am? What about yourself?
If everyone is a brainwashed pawn, everyone is crazy, whether they do "good" things or "bad" things, and it's all apart of societal indocrination and accumulated experience, what's the point?
I find it interesting that you want me to " quit trying to find something to debate about," when I discuss parts of the actual article, yet you seem to go off on this same tangent regardless of topic.
It seems like when you agree with someone or something, you seem to take it as truth or atleast not try and question it, but when you disagree with someone/something you deconstruct everything so that it's all insubstantial.
Not saying it's right or wrong, but it's weird to say that everyone is brainwashed, but of course, you're less brainwashed, you're opinions are less crazy because you admit you're a little crazy, etc.
the point in knowing this is people would gain the freedom to actually live their lives as themselves rather than waste a life playing a role of an identity that happened to fall on their laps and is absolutely defined and (de)valued by how it supports the maintenance of this particular status quo.
i dont try to bring this up every time, but every single time this fact continually stands out because i naturally trace the root of an idea that one has, and i always come to find that one had no real ideas beyond the ignorant throw of a die. So yes, the person stops making sense to me and then i ask them to look instead into where their ideas are founded.
yes somebody can say "well its obvious to question terrorism because we dont want terrorists living in our world" but a billion more (contradictory) statements are implied by such a statement that i would ask the person to really look deep into it before he joins the military or gives away his security to avoid "terrorism"
terrorism isnt the topic of discussion between me and you, but just replace that idea with anything else and u will find the same exact lack of free thinking.
i agree with ideas that free people from the status quo mindset.
i especially disagree with ideas that continue with a cycle of destruction (such as the mainstream media)
the thing is, calling anybody crazy just doesnt make any sense at all when crazy is relative to normal , and nobody knows wtf normal is.
you can say "normal is the majority" but even that normalcy is constant evolving and changing.
to me, nobody is crazy, but "you all must be crazy for thinking yourselves to be any different than those you call crazy!"
sorry but the worlds mindset doesnt make much sense to me. I feel like i have to adopt another persons opinions and their implications in order to delude myself into abiding by such standards of thinking, and for what? for values and goals that were chosen to be valued by that same transitory culture?
*hell naw*
it seems like "whats the point" when i appear to be negating most of the ideas that are in peoples heads, but beyond the limitations of such ideas is a profound freedom and independence that barely anybody experiences.
everybody dies but rarely does anybody really live.
keep your eye out on the "a thing to inquire about" thread
i dont try to bring this up every time, but every single time this fact continually stands out because i naturally trace the root of an idea that one has, and i always come to find that one had no real ideas beyond the ignorant throw of a die. So yes, the person stops making sense to me and then i ask them to look instead into where their ideas are founded.
yes somebody can say "well its obvious to question terrorism because we dont want terrorists living in our world" but a billion more (contradictory) statements are implied by such a statement that i would ask the person to really look deep into it before he joins the military or gives away his security to avoid "terrorism"
terrorism isnt the topic of discussion between me and you, but just replace that idea with anything else and u will find the same exact lack of free thinking.
i agree with ideas that free people from the status quo mindset.
i especially disagree with ideas that continue with a cycle of destruction (such as the mainstream media)
the thing is, calling anybody crazy just doesnt make any sense at all when crazy is relative to normal , and nobody knows wtf normal is.
you can say "normal is the majority" but even that normalcy is constant evolving and changing.
to me, nobody is crazy, but "you all must be crazy for thinking yourselves to be any different than those you call crazy!"
sorry but the worlds mindset doesnt make much sense to me. I feel like i have to adopt another persons opinions and their implications in order to delude myself into abiding by such standards of thinking, and for what? for values and goals that were chosen to be valued by that same transitory culture?
*hell naw*
it seems like "whats the point" when i appear to be negating most of the ideas that are in peoples heads, but beyond the limitations of such ideas is a profound freedom and independence that barely anybody experiences.
everybody dies but rarely does anybody really live.
keep your eye out on the "a thing to inquire about" thread