What if Jared Loughner were a Muslim?

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Editor's note: Dean Obeidallah is an award-winning Arab-American comedian who has appeared on various TV shows including Comedy Central's "Axis of Evil" special, ABC's "The View," CNN's "What the Week" and "The Joy Behar Show." He serves as the executive producer of the annual New York Arab-American Comedy Festival and The Amman Stand Up Comedy Festival.

New York City (CNN) -- When the news first broke that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords had been shot at a political event, all Americans were united in our response of shock and outrage.
Shortly afterward, the media reported that a 22-year-old male had been arrested in the shooting. His name had not yet been released. I believe your reaction to that piece of news depended greatly on your status in American society -- namely, whether you're a Muslim.
If you are a typical white person, I would imagine your initial response was relief the suspect was caught, and an attempt to make sense of why he committed this horrible crime.
But if you are Muslim or of Arab heritage, your reaction to the news of the arrest was likely: "Please don't let him be Arab ... please don't let him be Muslim." Believe me, that was my reaction.
This reaction in not unique to American Arabs and Muslims -- most minorities in America have a similar response when a horrific crime has been committed and the identity of the suspect is still unknown.
We desperately don't want the person to be one of "us," for fear that our entire minority group will suffer a backlash.
I doubt any white people hope a suspect isn't one of them -- it's just not relevant.

I doubt any white people hope a suspect isn't one of them -- it's just not relevant. They don't suffer as a group because of the actions of a few bad white people such as Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph.
Americans are trying to figure out why someone committed this heinous act. Was it because he was ostracized by society, or because his parents didn't hug him enough?
But let's be brutally honest. If the suspect's name wasn't Jared but was Jamil or Mahmud instead, America's reaction might have been different. What if a Muslim-American had made anti-government statements and shot a U.S. congresswoman at a political event?
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton earlier this week called the suspect Jared Loughner an "extremist" -- but not a terrorist. Would Clinton and others be so hesitant to apply the terrorist label to an American Muslim or Arab-American?
If the suspect's name wasn't Jared but was Jamil, America's reaction might have been different.

By the way, what is Loughner's religion? It's not part of the news coverage, but we certainly know he isn't Muslim. If he were, the media, elected officials and law enforcement would be discussing that issue extensively. When a terrible crime in America is committed by a non-Muslim, the suspect's religion is simply not relevant.
In contrast, after Nidal Hasan, a Muslim-American, committed the despicable Fort Hood shootings, many called for him to be labeled a terrorist, including Rep. Peter King, R-New York.
Indeed, in King's op-ed in December 2010, he labeled Hasan a "home-grown terrorist" and a big part of the reason his Homeland Security Committee will investigate "the radicalization of Muslims in America." It's unknown whether King has any interest in investigating non-Muslim threats to America, such as the ones that led to the attack on Giffords.
Yes, I know Nidal yelled "Allah Akbar" at the time of the shooting, but does that mean he had a political agenda or was he just a delusional, sick person no different from Jared? When you compare the psychological profiles the media has painted of both, they are very similar: "Outsiders," "troubled," "loner." Even their photos share the same crazed look in their eyes, but because one American is Muslim and the other isn't, the presumption of terrorism differs.
Why can't a Muslim-American be considered a crazed lone gunman? I'm not a psychiatrist, but I doubt mental illness distinguishes between religions.
And why is that every time a white American commits a horrible act -- be it flying a plane into an IRS building or attacking a Muslim cab driver in New York City because he is opposed the proposed Islamic cultural center near ground zero -- the presumption is that he is not a terrorist, just a poor delusional guy who has lost his mind.
My point is not to divide us as a nation any further -- we are polarized enough by angry politics, race and, sadly, religion. But as we look for ways to heal our nation, which desperately needs it, applying the same standards to all Americans would be a great step.
If a Muslim-American is a terrorist under U.S. law, I have no problem applying that label, if the same goes for a non-Muslim.
As our Declaration of Independence famously states: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal ..." and I believe they should be treated that way as well.



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if he was a muslim then he probably wouldnt have done that shit. individualy muslims are some of the most peaceful people in this country. its the nut jobs from outta the middle east that hate our rockn roll music, cheese burgers, blue jeans and tiddies.
 
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If Jared Loughner was a muslim..........

the U.S. military would use a $4.5 million dollar drone to kill 10 people in whatever village he was originally from..........



i would be nervous if i saw him, ANYWHERE



i buy gas and grape swishers from this dude every other day.....
 
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I respect the author's point of view but I think there's a couple presumptions made to justify the article that are not true. For example, the article is written with the idea the American public ostensibly let this one go. That's simply not true. This was a big deal and its received a ton of attention.

I think quoting one person as labeling the person as an "extremest" rather than a terrorist isn't representative of the entire news world or population. This was a terrorist act, although I will admit that it is not being portrayed as a terrorist act as much as it should.

Lastly the reason why terrorists of any ethnicity who are of muslim faith are usually named as "muslims" "islamic extremists" "islamic terrorists" etc. etc. is they proclaim their faith and devotion to the faith and also claim to draw upon their faith for inspiration to commit the terrorist act. Loughner acted either out of insanity or out of political belief. His religion did not necessarily play a huge role in this. There was a terrorist act from a Muslim man at LAX airport in 2002. It was not considered related to "Islamic Terrorism" because the FBI determined the man acted for political reasons, not religious reasons.
 
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the muslims aren't attacking us because they don't like Tiddies, they are attacking because they want us to get the fuck out of their countries and stop interfering with their lives.
 

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as soon as i heard the news of a public shooting in america i knew the suspect was gonna be a crazy ass white dude
 
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What if a Muslim-American had made anti-government statements and shot a U.S. congresswoman at a political event?
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton earlier this week called the suspect Jared Loughner an "extremist" -- but not a terrorist. Would Clinton and others be so hesitant to apply the terrorist label to an American Muslim or Arab-American?
Didn't the Obama administration hestitate to label the Fort Hood shooting an act of terrorism?

When a terrible crime in America is committed by a non-Muslim, the suspect's religion is simply not relevant.
Kind of like how when a Muslim commits a terrible crime or attempts to try and blow up a plane, whether or not he was influenced by an American politician or a political party isn't really discussed.

This Loughner guy's religion wasn't really an issue because people were looking at it from a different angle. Was he influenced by Republican and Tea Party rhetoric? Was he right wing?

Yes, I know Nidal yelled "Allah Akbar" at the time of the shooting, but does that mean he had a political agenda or was he just a delusional, sick person no different from Jared?
I don't know but didn't Nidal atleast have contact with a controversial Muslim cleric or figure? I would assume that they would figure this out after apprehending him and conducting an investigation.

Kind of like how initially, people thought Loughner was acting on the influence of right wing using certain language like, "second amendment remedies."

In fact alot of people are still blaming Republicans, Sarah Palin, and the Tea Party for what happened in Arizona, even after details of Loughner's background came to light.


Even their photos share the same crazed look in their eyes, but because one American is Muslim and the other isn't, the presumption of terrorism differs.
The military photo I saw of Nidal and the mug shot of Loughner only have in common a smile and a mishapen bald head.

Why can't a Muslim-American be considered a crazed lone gunman? I'm not a psychiatrist, but I doubt mental illness distinguishes between religions.
I'd say because it depends on the current state of events going on. We still have terrorists who happen to be Muslim, trying to blow up planes with their shoes, or their underwear, and who are acting on orders from terrorist organizations, not to mention some of the top dogs in these organizations supposedly who call forth for violence against any Americans, it's always going to be an assumption.

And why is that every time a white American commits a horrible act -- be it flying a plane into an IRS building or attacking a Muslim cab driver in New York City because he is opposed the proposed Islamic cultural center near ground zero -- the presumption is that he is not a terrorist, just a poor delusional guy who has lost his mind.
I think it depends on the situation. Of course, white people are the majority in the US so any large scale crimes commited by them, the reasons are more varied, so it's harder to assume.

But as we look for ways to heal our nation, which desperately needs it, applying the same standards to all Americans would be a great step.
That's not going ot happen. Everyone is going to rule out what they feel is the most likely possibility. If a Muslim shoots an American politician you're not going to start checking out his mental profile. Time is a factor, and you want to make sure that it's not a calculated effort of something bigger.

Just like if a young Mexican shoots up a bunch of Black people in Southern California, you're not going to assume he's just a crazy hispanic dude who's targets just happened to be black. You're going to assume it's gang related or racially motivated and look into any possible connections to that.
 
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This Loughner guy's religion wasn't really an issue because people were looking at it from a different angle. Was he influenced by Republican and Tea Party rhetoric? Was he right wing?
You are correct...they were. And that angle was that he was NOT middle eastern, and was a white american. THAT is the point the author was making.

American's associate middle eastern with muslim "automatically"...we have been conditioned that way by the government and the media. They have successfully built that schema without many of us knowing it.
 
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You are correct...they were. And that angle was that he was NOT middle eastern, and was a white american. THAT is the point the author was making.
Yeah, so the point is that people make assumptions? When the identity of the Arizona shooter was revealed, many people were assuming he was a right wing extremist/terrorist who was influenced by right wing rhetoric. Why can't they just assume that he was crazy, or better yet, not assume anything at all?

I'd be curious to know what many Muslim Americans when they hear that a Muslim tried to blow up a plane with his underwear. Do they automatically assume he's just some guy who was insane, or do they think what most people think, that he's a terrorist?


Here's the most telling line from the authors article:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton earlier this week called the suspect Jared Loughner an "extremist" -- but not a terrorist. Would Clinton and others be so hesitant to apply the terrorist label to an American Muslim or Arab-American?
This would be easy to answer. Look back at the Fort Hood shooting. The shooter was a Muslim American. What did Hillary Clinton say about him, or the Administration for that matter?

And isn't it just as ignorant to call Loughner an "extremist?" I haven't read much on him, but it sounds like he wasn't influenced by the right wing but just crazy. I mean, is the guy who shot Reagan an extremist just because his target was a politician?

Was it because he took his political views to far, or was it because he was mentally unbalanced?
 

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why do people still give a fuck what hillary cunton says or thinks? the bitch has been exposed as a fucking liar.