What Do You Want From An Album?

[8FIVE8]

A good cd can be made whether 1 producer or 15 producers produced the album. The beats should be tight anyway. But maybe the artist should be blamed for that because he picks the beats right?
When i buy a cd, i dont care who made the beats. As long as its tight. Fuck the name. As far as lyrics go. Everybody is rappin about the same shit. So maybe something other than pimpin, bangin, trappin, would be interesting.

 

[synical dj]

word freaks. .i hear you on that.. you cant force shit.....
but honestly as a dj
you look at the disposable music that people end up liking its usually three things:

1. a hook or part of the song everyone knows/can remember/likes to sing
2. a beat you can dance to
3. catchy raps (with a good feature throw in for good measure) i.e. yung joc

you dont need to be a good rapper.. hell you dont even need to be a rapper to pull these off. case in point. snap music..
you can talk all the shit you want on it but the bay and the south are laughin all the way to the bank.. by the time you shit on one single they put out theyre already workin on the third one to come..
keak's "that go" is a prime example.
slumpin

 

[Gas One]

keak = laughing all the way to the coke spot.

yeah, quit with your amazing, technical ass beats and metaphorical storyline and go sample yankee doodle dandy. and then make it a fingerbanging anthem.

im sure synical will remember the underground/terrordome smash "get yo hand wet"

i made the mistake of rapping like edgar allen poe many years ago (something im constantly reminded by listening to the synical/junk mixtape)....best thing to note is at some point your favorite rapper or producer no matter who he is, learned that it was a good idea to dumb it down a little at some point.

oh yeah and i saved a gang of money on my car insurance switching to geico

 

[BOOBOO619]

word freaks. .i hear you on that.. you cant force shit.....
but honestly as a dj
you look at the disposable music that people end up liking its usually three things:

1. a hook or part of the song everyone knows/can remember/likes to sing
2. a beat you can dance to
3. catchy raps (with a good feature throw in for good measure) i.e. yung joc

you dont need to be a good rapper.. hell you dont even need to be a rapper to pull these off. case in point. snap music..
you can talk all the shit you want on it but the bay and the south are laughin all the way to the bank.. by the time you shit on one single they put out theyre already workin on the third one to come..
keak's "that go" is a prime example.
slumpin

When the WestCoast was popping, they $hitted on all those fools 100x harder, money wise, popularity wise and everything else.

People like you is the reason why Rap continues to suck because you continue to support this BS. You said it all along, "their laughin all the way to the bank." WTF is cool about that, you should realize their just using you guys. I don't support artists with silly ass lyrics and stupid ass beats, simple as that.

 

[Gas One]

fact: silly ass lyrics and stupid ass beats have been going on since the creation of rap.

its not a new creation, or a new style.

didnt no one have a problem with supporting it in the 80's..wasnt no one talkin about...oh the fat boys are killing hip hop...

or oh...audio two isnt getting all lyrical on us so lets not listen to top billing or i like cherries.....

its always been weird to me that underground fans cant listen to mainstream rap and vice versa...whats the problem..cant you like both? whats the grudge about?

theres enough room for us both without the hating going back and forth over someones chosen style..

and thats why bruce lee is the best martial artist. because he incorperated all types of styles. 'he didnt go ahh nah fuck taekwondo i dont support that...only kung fu'.

 

[Freeway Rich]

and thats why bruce lee is the best martial artist. because he incorperated all types of styles. 'he didnt go ahh nah fuck taekwondo i dont support that...only kung fu'.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Cant stop laughing..

 

[XL Middleton]

didnt no one have a problem with supporting it in the 80's..wasnt no one talkin about...oh the fat boys are killing hip hop...

or oh...audio two isnt getting all lyrical on us so lets not listen to top billing or i like cherries.....

yeah thats a great point but there's two schools of thought as far as responding...one is that hip hop simply evolved beyond that, two is that a lot of the mainstream music thats out now just isn't good. i've had mainstream songs that i liked a lot in the past few years but those are few and far inbetween (but ill point out that i liked most of what was considered mainstream hip hop up until about 2001 or so). it's hard to feel music that's designed to blow up on the radio and generate revenue in the same way that it's hard to enjoy mcdonald's over a homecooked meal, the soul just isn't in it.

 

[Gas One]

everyone didnt feel the songs that were out in the 80s, either.

and hip hop really hasnt evolved when were taking about simplistic, catchy party music. it might have elvolved if were talking about creative rap. but its the same theory. get the party moving. times might have changed, but the recipe is the same.

case in point, jj fads supersonic was remade to 'fergielicious'
did everyone like supersonic back then? no.

'good' is in the eye of the beholder. just because youve decided for yourself that something isnt good, dosent mean that its the case for another person.

hip hop is no longer a boys and girls club. everyone listens to it. therefore, the same rules no longer apply.

as far as soul not bieng in rap music, not everyones soulful. like you said, hip hop simply evolved beyond that.

and not only hip hop, music in general. youll be hard pressed to find another arethra franklin or stevie wonder.

and soul dosent have to be in music for it to be enjoyable. ive been collecting records for a decade and some change now, 1930s music on down to modern days..and some shits soulful some just isnt. but that dosent mean the non soulful shit sucks.

whats the difference between the ink spots singing about "do the knee jerk" and someone from the south talking about "lean with it rock with it"??

its a trip how people arent accepting of things that arent musically pleasurable to them. i dont think punk rock has soul in it, but that dosent stop me from listening to rancid or zeke or something.

theres just more to music than one mands mind.

i dunno man. i can turn on MIMS "this is why im hot" then turn it off and listen to souls of mischief....i think if you truly love music, you should love all this shit. soulful or not.

but just to kinda be on topic, prince pauls "prince of thieves" and "psychoanalysis" are two perfectly crafted albums. to add to that, check out j-zones "to love a hooker soundtrack". i might even say aceyalones "a book of human language" as well. all of these albums follow one specific story, and dont stray away.

those tend to be albums i respect more. albums that come across as movies or books. skits usually are important in holding the glue together.

 

[synical dj]

When the WestCoast was popping, they $hitted on all those fools 100x harder, money wise, popularity wise and everything else.

People like you is the reason why Rap continues to suck because you continue to support this BS. You said it all along, "their laughin all the way to the bank." WTF is cool about that, you should realize their just using you guys. I don't support artists with silly ass lyrics and stupid ass beats, simple as that.

i jus want to play some new southern cali shit and get a reaction like it is when i throw on some new bay shit or some shit from atlanta. is that so bad? i know its feasible..its just a matter of time.

niggas like you is the reason people say the west coast "aint poppin"
get off the glory train of yesteryear.. times change trends change.

in this century people want to dance and thats ok.
laughin all the way to the bank is ok. its the american way.

if we all really gave a fuck, wed all be backpack hip hop niggas and talk shit on everything that aint underground.

nothing sucks like bad gangsta rap. nothing.

 

[BOOBOO619]

Rap just ain't HARD anymore.

I've tried to force myself to like some of this new $hit, but I just can't feel it. Aside from a few, I find it really hard to listen to, especially on my own time. Yeah I might feel it in a club or any party environment because it's fast, loud and the bitches are enjoying it, but that's it. I can't go home and pop it in my stereo system. I'll feel embarrased to tell you the truth if I play it in my car especially, I'll get laughed at by the homies, no one likes this shit. I just don't get anything useful out of Rap these days, atleast back then there might have been a message or story being told in the lyrics, shit that makes you think. These days it's just some repetive BS being said that really has no significance what so ever.

One of the latest mainstream songs that I have felt though is that Akon - Locked Up track. Beat was dope and it had a purpose lyrically.

 

[XL Middleton]

everyone didnt feel the songs that were out in the 80s, either.

and hip hop really hasnt evolved when were taking about simplistic, catchy party music. it might have elvolved if were talking about creative rap. but its the same theory. get the party moving. times might have changed, but the recipe is the same.

case in point, jj fads supersonic was remade to 'fergielicious'
did everyone like supersonic back then? no.

'good' is in the eye of the beholder. just because youve decided for yourself that something isnt good, dosent mean that its the case for another person.

hip hop is no longer a boys and girls club. everyone listens to it. therefore, the same rules no longer apply.

as far as soul not bieng in rap music, not everyones soulful. like you said, hip hop simply evolved beyond that.

and not only hip hop, music in general. youll be hard pressed to find another arethra franklin or stevie wonder.

and soul dosent have to be in music for it to be enjoyable. ive been collecting records for a decade and some change now, 1930s music on down to modern days..and some shits soulful some just isnt. but that dosent mean the non soulful shit sucks.

whats the difference between the ink spots singing about "do the knee jerk" and someone from the south talking about "lean with it rock with it"??

its a trip how people arent accepting of things that arent musically pleasurable to them. i dont think punk rock has soul in it, but that dosent stop me from listening to rancid or zeke or something.

theres just more to music than one mands mind.

i dunno man. i can turn on MIMS "this is why im hot" then turn it off and listen to souls of mischief....i think if you truly love music, you should love all this shit. soulful or not.

but just to kinda be on topic, prince pauls "prince of thieves" and "psychoanalysis" are two perfectly crafted albums. to add to that, check out j-zones "to love a hooker soundtrack". i might even say aceyalones "a book of human language" as well. all of these albums follow one specific story, and dont stray away.

those tend to be albums i respect more. albums that come across as movies or books. skits usually are important in holding the glue together.

you make some good points but why don't i truly love music if i dont like Mims and Souls of Mischief? im not trying to be sarcastic i know youre just using examples but, in the words of Common, if i dont like i dont like it, it dont mean that im hating. hip hop is a great thing because of its diversity, it IS great to have artists doing party records, deep records, goofy shit, gangsta shit, whatever. what bothers me is just there's only one sound on the radio, that the diversity of hip hop is no longer reflected in what's out there and you can't say that at one point not too long ago it wasn't, at least to some degree. oh and what i meant by "soul" was just the idea of putting your heart into music and making some genuine shit regardless of how deep it was, i didn't mean all music has to sound like james brown or some shit LOL...i fuck with punk rock too and all types of shit aside from hip hop. i might like that Mims song if there weren't a thousand songs before Mims that sounded just like it.

 

[Gas One]

first off i wasnt attacking your music tastes...or attempting to offend you.

all im saying is, youre intentionally turning your back on a percentage of music fans (as a musician) just because you feel its not your cup of tea. why not be more well rounded?

i mean, that dosent mean you should make a southern rap song or a jiggy beat or anything...but atleast keep them in mind..because they are music fans as well...

because regardless if you dont feel that type of thing, other people do...yknow?

you wanna make an album for the people, theyre people too.
just check out the psychology of the shit and make it in xl middletons style.

when people start to delve into what people want to hear...its really more simple than it seems...maybe people wanna hear a song about candy....oh wait, snoop already did that.

case in point i guess

alot of things youre mentioning got touched upon on bishop lamonts "nigger music" mixtape. if you aint heard it, peep it.

which was also a good example of a well put together album...whether its a mixtape or not

and yeah...kudos on the common quote i use that in arguments sometimes....but common likes shit i dont..as seen by wack ass electric circus....and that dosent mean im hating either...

right?

or maybe he was doing what i'm talking about....and letting them eat cake....just different fanbase applies i guess

if you ask me keep doing what youre doing, i like your music how it is.
but if you make a song that just aint my cup of tea, its not like im gonna picket against you. ill just understand youre bieng well rounded with your shit and move on.

we're just really talking about rap in general...i'm not really pointing the finger at you or attempting to assasinate your character.

i just look at..when did andre 3000 decide it was okay to start singing horribly when he has legions of fans that think hes the best rapper in the south ever? why did ice t do body count? i think they put themselves in awkward positions in order to challenge their musical diversity..

should that be considered selling out, or bieng well rounded?

 

[XL Middleton]

first off i wasnt attacking your music tastes...or attempting to offend you.

all im saying is, youre intentionally turning your back on a percentage of music fans (as a musician) just because you feel its not your cup of tea. why not be more well rounded?

i mean, that dosent mean you should make a southern rap song or a jiggy beat or anything...but atleast keep them in mind..because they are music fans as well...

because regardless if you dont feel that type of thing, other people do...yknow?

you wanna make an album for the people, theyre people too.
just check out the psychology of the shit and make it in xl middletons style.

when people start to delve into what people want to hear...its really more simple than it seems...maybe people wanna hear a song about candy....oh wait, snoop already did that.

case in point i guess

alot of things youre mentioning got touched upon on bishop lamonts "nigger music" mixtape. if you aint heard it, peep it.

which was also a good example of a well put together album...whether its a mixtape or not

and yeah...kudos on the common quote i use that in arguments sometimes....but common likes shit i dont..as seen by wack ass electric circus....and that dosent mean im hating either...

right?

or maybe he was doing what i'm talking about....and letting them eat cake....just different fanbase applies i guess

if you ask me keep doing what youre doing, i like your music how it is.
but if you make a song that just aint my cup of tea, its not like im gonna picket against you. ill just understand youre bieng well rounded with your shit and move on.

we're just really talking about rap in general...i'm not really pointing the finger at you or attempting to assasinate your character.

i just look at..when did andre 3000 decide it was okay to start singing horribly when he has legions of fans that think hes the best rapper in the south ever? why did ice t do body count? i think they put themselves in awkward positions in order to challenge their musical diversity..

should that be considered selling out, or bieng well rounded?

well said homie...so much so you got me rethinking a few things lol...i dont have too much more to add to it. a lot of it comes down to personal taste which i guess we're all guilty of forgetting at times. and yeah i was trying to keep this discussion more general even though, like i said in my first post, i wanna take in what people are saying to use for my own material.

oh yeah that bishop mixtape is hot. i dont like every single song but i feel the direction he was going in.

 

[Gas One]

right on man..i have faith in your abilities to make something tight.glad i can get you thinking a little.

the truth shall come to the light when it comes to a good experience from an album..music is timeless...but people wont allow music to be timeless because they hold onto certain timeframes...and that fucks up the good experience of music..because we expect certain things to be like how it used to be...or how something else is....critics..the media hyping up rap...and preconcieved notions...basically ruin the listening experience.

 

[Lordbyron]

nothing sucks like bad gangsta rap. nothing.

Hahahahahahahahaha... So true...!

 

[Freeway Rich]

Rap just ain't HARD anymore.

I've tried to force myself to like some of this new $hit, but I just can't feel it. Aside from a few, I find it really hard to listen to, especially on my own time. Yeah I might feel it in a club or any party environment because it's fast, loud and the bitches are enjoying it, but that's it. I can't go home and pop it in my stereo system. I'll feel embarrased to tell you the truth if I play it in my car especially, I'll get laughed at by the homies, no one likes this shit. I just don't get anything useful out of Rap these days, atleast back then there might have been a message or story being told in the lyrics, shit that makes you think. These days it's just some repetive BS being said that really has no significance what so ever.

I feel ya homie well said.
I mean this makes me really sad when I think of what hip hop/rap has become. Used to be a voice of the poor, a way to criticise, a fight, a revolution. Used to make people think. At the beginning it was nothing, only a small group of people were listening to rap, then it became a trend and popularity grew and grew. Look now it has become the most powerful weapon in music nowadays because even pop and R'n'B singers collaborate with rappers. Why? Because rap has a fanbase with millions of souls all over the world now. And it was made possible by the strong message that rap was trying to spread, sometime violent sometime in a positive way. If rap didnt have a message it woulda never grown to such an established music community.
But look what it iz now.
I was just on amazon and seen mistah fab new track list. The half of the songs had names like "thizz", "thizz world", "thizzin", "go dumb retarded" and so on.. I mean this is really dumb retarded...
From "welcome to the ghetto" to "young baby boy" to "clear present danger" we now "go dumb retared".

GREAT MOVEMENT! Ohh what a movement!

 

[BOOBOO619]

I feel ya homie well said.
I mean this makes me really sad when I think of what hip hop/rap has become. Used to be a voice of the poor, a way to criticise, a fight, a revolution. Used to make people think. At the beginning it was nothing, only a small group of people were listening to rap, then it became a trend and popularity grew and grew. Look now it has become the most powerful weapon in music nowadays because even pop and R'n'B singers collaborate with rappers. Why? Because rap has a fanbase with millions of souls all over the world now. And it was made possible by the strong message that rap was trying to spread, sometime violent sometime in a positive way. If rap didnt have a message it woulda never grown to such an established music community.
But look what it iz now.
I was just on amazon and seen mistah fab new track list. The half of the songs had names like "thizz", "thizz world", "thizzin", "go dumb retarded" and so on.. I mean this is really dumb retarded...
From "welcome to the ghetto" to "young baby boy" to "clear present danger" we now "go dumb retared".

GREAT MOVEMENT! Ohh what a movement!

Exactly, atleast you seem to understand.

I have nothing against music evolving, but there's just something about this new generation of rap that just ain't right. It's like their trying too hard or over doing something. I don't care what anyone says, but I think there's definitely something wrong with Rap today. It just doesn't feel right or sound right. ATM, it's just pointless and meaningless IMO.