What Cuba Can Teach Us About Health Care

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The US government hates what type of society Castro and Chavez are trying to achieve because its a threat to US national security when a poor country like Cuba can provide basic human needs (healthcare, housing, food) to their people and here in the US the richest country in the world, everyday we're struggling to make ends meets on every single aspect of our lives.
Do you recommend any good books that show an objective view of Cuba?

Is it true that internet use is under strict surveillance and only possible with government equipment?

What about Cuban citizens who want to leave the country? How easy or difficult is it?
 
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I am forced to believe you are picking these sideline and irrelevant issues because of an inability to refute my claims about the relationship between health care costs in Cuba vs. the US and respective medical advancement.

No, heath care costs in Cuba are low because it is socialized. They are high in the U.S. because it is privatized. Of course Cuba takes advantage of innovation from the U.S. - there would be more if it weren't for the embargo. But the U.S. takes advantage of innovation from other countries as well. And Cuba innovates on its own in ways that the U.S. and other countries do not specifically because of their situation. They come up with treatments and vaccines that U.S. medical companies are uninterested in because health is not their business. Business is their business.
 
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The US government hates what type of society Castro and Chavez are trying to achieve because its a threat to US national security when a poor country like Cuba can provide basic human needs (healthcare, housing, food) to their people and here in the US the richest country in the world, everyday we're struggling to make ends meets on every single aspect of our lives.
More like you see Cuba and Venezuela as proof of concept for communism, and you and many others gloss over the obvious acts of government repression as some sort of non-issue created by a capitalist smokescreen out to get Brother Hugo and Comrade Fidel
 
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i've been to cuba. one major difference in healthcare is this.

everyone gets tested for hiv its mandatory.

if you got hiv or aids you are seperated from all the healthy people so people don't get infected in a never ending cycle. some random cuban person explained this to me.
im gonna check to see if there's anymore info on this.
 
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Cuba: Is It a Model in HIV-AIDS Battle?

December 2003
Cuba has seen no dramatic increase in HIV transmission since the first case was diagnosed in 1986, and the country's HIV infection rate – 0.05% – is one of the lowest in the world and exceptional in a region with some of the highest infection rates in the world.




apparently the citizens aren't forced to take the tests anymore but highly encouraged. i visited cuba in 2000.
 
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apparently the citizens aren't forced to take the tests anymore but highly encouraged. i visited cuba in 2000.
If people in the US wanted, we could probably bring down the amount of infections of HIV and AIDS but we live in an irresponsible society. We support entertainment that promotes sexual promiscuity then turn around and support AIDS awareness.

Of course if you give more power to the state, and trade in many of your freedoms your going to have less crime, less std's, etc.
 

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Do you recommend any good books that show an objective view of Cuba?

Is it true that internet use is under strict surveillance and only possible with government equipment?

What about Cuban citizens who want to leave the country? How easy or difficult is it?
I'm by far an expert on the subject, the only book i can recommend off the top of head:

Inside the Revolution: Everyday Life in Socialist Cuba ~ Mona Rosendahl

For news and analysis on cuba, i would suggested reading alternative news sources such as commondreams.org and znet.org. You'll notice that both those sites are funded by donations, and not by big businesses.
 
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Thanks for the recommendations. My friends parents visited Cuba. I was asking them about it, and they said that it's a beautiful place and that I should go. When I asked how the people lived, the first thing they told me was that people couldn't even afford pens. Weird. Don't know if they were lying/exaggerating or if that's what it's really like. They don't seem to have a dog in the fight since since they don't appear to be very political.

I'm going to need to see it for myself.

If it's so great though, why aren't the citizens allowed to leave?
 
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. My friends parents visited Cuba. , the first thing they told me was that people couldn't even afford pens.
If it's so great though, why aren't the citizens allowed to leave?
It's more complicated than just saying the people there are broke. When i was there i noticed the Cubans that got fam in america who send them money live like they're on vacation. a lot of Cubans have fam who send them money.

Also, there's certain jobs like taxi drivers that make more money than the average Cuban because they can get american dollars and tips.

But yeah the people don't make much money if they don't drive taxis or get tourist tips. But everyone got a house, and medical care, and everyone gets food from the gov't so they have food and shelter.

It's a completely different type of society. You have to be able to experience it with an open mind and not just look at their reality through a lens of capitalism.
 
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It's a completely different type of society. You have to be able to experience it with an open mind and not just look at their reality through a lens of capitalism.
Definitely. I'm sure there's a lot of good to it. I just don't think it's fair to say one systems better than the other. You got pros and cons for both systems and it depends on what the individual values.

I visited some of those sites that were posted and it seemed pretty biased. Everything anti-US, anti-Capitalism, etc. I'm trying to get away from getting info from biased sources. That's why I steer clear of MSNBC and FOXNEWS.

I thought it was interesting that I couldn't come across anything negative in regards to Iran or Cuba for example. Of course I was just browsing the sites, so maybe I'll find something later.

I just don't like going from one extreme to the other. Most of the news sources here are obviously Pro-US. The 2 sites listed were like Anti-US.

In one article about the new Arizona immigration law, it was mentioning Shakira's stance against the law, like that shit means something.
 
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Cuba is a fucking shithole, go live there and enjoy communism.
It's one of the very few countries south of the US where the standard of living has actually increased over the past 50 years rather than decreased. Despite the embargo's, etc. and being a country of minimal resources and very few allies since the collapse of the soviet union.

The rest of latin america is raped by free trade, ruled by puppet regimes/dictators,exploited by outside countries/big business/etc., and controlled by the IMF/World Bank etc etc etc.

Go to Haiti, Honduras, etc and let us know how well capitalism is working out for them.