Vietnam in HD ( History Channel )

[Unk1ne]

i jus bought this on bluray looking forward to watching it..

 

[WT SAVAGE]

do they show the US gettin mobbed on?

 

[ColdBlooded]

Hmmm... then there is no need for anybody to watch this show!

That was my feeling after watching it. Waste of time and would not recommend to anyone.

 

[S.SAVAGE]

This show was great & showed some of what our war veterans had to go through.

This was not a "lets feel sorry for vietnamese" documentary, this was about American war veterans not knowing a damn thing about vietnam & getting drafted to go kill & be told what to do, losing all sense of humanity in the process.

My best friend has agent orange just like his father does & they both have a horrible skin condition due to it, so I am too familiar with what happens after chemical warfare is used.

I am not defending the war, because as I already stated I've never been pro-war in vietnam, but I do think this was a really good show & took some of the stories from American G.I's & their families & put it on film.

Maybe the vietnamese can make their own documentary about their perception of what went down & get some rave reviews on a vietnamese message board.

 

[iaoish]

I have a feeling I will get angry when I watch this...
Since there were only a few US soldiers who refused to fight this war and got sent to jail.
In my opinion these few soldiers are real American hero's. Not the ones who went there 'because they had to' and made that mess there. There was a choice to go to jail instead. And that, in my opinion takes more courage then to go and do what you are told.

I've seen the war museum in Ho Chi Min city. The war that has been waged is a fucking crime.
Not only did they completely fuck the citizens of Vietnam but also those of Laos and Cambodia who were completely neutral during the war.
And you almost never ever hear anything about the South Korean soldiers who fought for the Americans during this war.

Still today there are children being born with disabilities because of the dioxin that was used.

When I was in the museum I was overcome by a deep grief, especially when you step in to the 'Agent Orange' exhibition.
Needless to say it was full of pictures of victims of dioxin, Vietnamese but also Americans.

Among there was also a letter written to the current president Obama where I took a picture of but couldn't find anymore.
I found it on internet though.

Dear President Barack Obama!



My name is Trần Thị Hoan, 23, born in Đức Linh District, Bình Thuận Province, Việt Nam. I am a second generation victim of Agent Orange, one among the plaintiffs, representing millions of Agent Orange victims, in a lawsuit against 37 U.S. chemical manufacturers in the U.S. Federal Court, two richest of which are Dow and Monsanto. They manufactured deadly defoliants sprayed in the Vietnam wars containing dioxin—it has not only killed living people during the war, but gradually kills their children generations, like me, and goes on to kill the next ones. It damages my country and other nations beyond imagination.



I have read your letter to your beloved daughters, especially this excerpt: “These are the things I want for you—to grow up in a world with no limits on your dreams and no achievements beyond your reach, and to grow into compassionate, committed women who will help build that world. And I want every child to have the same chances to learn and dream and grow and thrive that you girls have. That's why I've taken our family on this great adventure.” I was deeply moved by the love you have for your daughters and the dreams you have for children of other countries, and I dream that certainly you meant also for Vietnam. I dream that when you were on the campaign trail, and when you were writing those lines, you had some ideas about Agent Orange and its devastating effects on human and environment. I dream when you wrote “And I want every child to have the same chances to learn and dream and grow and thrive that you girls have” you were actually thinking about innocent children slowly killed by dioxin, and their sufferings, their education in a very poor country like Vietnam will be the same as your daughters in the U.S. I dream you had in mind what to do to help every child to have the same chances to learn and to dream and grow and thrive like your daughters’.



May I say something about myself: when I was in junior high school, I studied hard to become a doctor to help people in my home town because they were so poor. But this dream was taken from me. I was suggested in college not to follow medicine because I was born with no legs and no left hand. My parents were consumed with grief when I was born and when I started school. I was suggested not to dream about raising a family for fear that my children would be born deformed like me, and the poison might even take their lives. You may have guessed from my personal story, one among three million victim stories, what happen to other parents victims of Agent Orange.



You are a father of two beautiful daughters, and you know how parents love their children. As you might have known, the U.S. Vietnam veterans, sick from Agent Orange, have gotten remediation for their illnesses, but their children have not. How do their children live a decent life like your daughters? In the case of my poor country, veterans of the U.S. war and their children and grandchildren have not received any justice from the U.S. courts: they refused to hear our case against the U.S. chemical companies without explanations. This denial of justice may have rendered void your dream for every child to have the same chances to learn and dream and grow and thrive. When I toured the U.S. cities last October, I found the American people deeply concerned about the problems of Agent Orange, including lawyers. I was totally disappointed with the U.S. Supreme Court running away from this question of justice.



I understand that you are very busy with the urgent matters that face your country, I hope that you would consider the poison from Agent Orange and the lives of its victims with as much a matter of urgency because what they mean to the future of humanity. I hope that you, a symbol of hope not only for the United States, but also for the world, a father who love his children dearly, and a man of humanity, spare a little time to resolve this forgotten problem.

 

[B-San]

I watched the show & have also been to the war museum in Ho Chi Min city; both enlightened me to other perspectives...

I've also heard some interesting stories from my GF's family, who fled Vietnam as a result of the Vietcong (killed her Grandfather over some bullshit)..

They also threw her pops in jail cuz he didn't want to fight against Cambodia.. although Pops' nationality is Vietnamese, his ethnic background is mostly Cambodian.. actually, the area her entire family is from used to be Northern Cambodia until Vietnam did similar to how the US dealt with Mexico when snatching up California..

My uncle fought in Vietnam as a black soldier.. the draft policy was far from fair & disproportionately targeted black folks.. Shit, one of the high-ranking officials on the draft board was a Grand Wizard in the KKK!

At the same time the Vietcong came as a result of 200 years of Western oppression (wuddup France).. and before that the Chinese had been invading off & on for 1000 yrs..

I guess at the end of the day - the whole Vietnam situation reinforces something I've been knowing for many moons: The majority of people in power are assholes...