US Senate votes for Iraq pull-out

[2-0-Sixx]

The US Senate has voted to approve a bill which requires US troops to be withdrawn from Iraq within 11 months.

It follows a vote in the US House of Representatives which makes further funding of the war in Iraq conditional on a timetable for a US troop pullout.

The Democrat-sponsored bill will now go before President George Bush, but he has said he will veto it immediately.

He says he is committed to the "surge" strategy, under which more US troops are being poured into Baghdad.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6597079.stm

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The Jokes on us. Now, in the future, the Democrats can point and say, "look, we tried to end the war but the President Vetoed our withdrawal plan. We did everything we could," all the while voting in FAVOR of FUNDING the war!!!

 

[GTS]

So what was it good for?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Political positioning. By doing this the Democrats can appear as if they are/were against the war and tried to stop it.

Obviously the majority of Americans are opposed to the Iraq war. So, in the upcoming elections, the Dems will take the anti-iraq war position, attack the president for the blunder in Iraq and claim that they opposed the war and tried to bring it to an end, only for the evil president to veto them.

The Democrats have always known the president would veto any withdrawal plan. He said so at the very first mention. The only way they could stop the war is if they stopped funding it and they knew it. But at every single opportunity, the democrats overwhelmingly voted in favor for more funding.

 

[GTS]

Political positioning. By doing this the Democrats can appear as if they are/were against the war and tried to stop it.

Obviously the majority of Americans are opposed to the Iraq war. So, in the upcoming elections, the Dems will take the anti-iraq war position, attack the president for the blunder in Iraq and claim that they opposed the war and tried to bring it to an end, only for the evil president to veto them.

The Democrats have always known the president would veto any withdrawal plan. He said so at the very first mention. The only way they could stop the war is if they stopped funding it and they knew it. But at every single opportunity, the democrats overwhelmingly voted in favor of more funding.

They don't want that un-patriotic title placed on them if they cut funding.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

No they aren't worried about that because the vast majority of American's oppose the Iraq war.

The truth is the democrats do not oppose the Iraq war.

 

[GTS]

No they aren't worried about that because the vast majority of American's oppose the Iraq war.

The truth is the democrats do not oppose the Iraq war.

Nor do they oppose War with Iran.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

They certainly don't and both Obama and Clinton have expressed the possibility of future military actions against Iran.

 

[I AM]

These assholes running this country don't fucking do anything the people want. It's all about money and power, as usual.

I saw this on TV last night, they said Bush was gonna veto it right away just like what you posted above.

Like you said though, it will make the democraps appear to be against the war and FOR the American people, when in fact they could ALL give a fuck less about the people in this country...except for the fact that we pay taxes.

 

[HUERO''909]

bush is a fukkin idiot....my stepdad goes to iraq in august and he gets to stay there for 15 months cause of this surge bullshit...and hes already been to iraq before...shit atleast he hasnt been like 3 times like some people....

 

[I AM]

did he resign up over there? i heard they pay more if you sign up while you're still there? probably not tho since he's back and then leaving....figured i'd ask tho....

what's your stepdad's take on the war in iraq?

 

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

lets say your already in the military.. can you tell the government to fuck off.. and you quit.. or do you go to jail or somethin'?

 

[HUERO''909]

did he resign up over there? i heard they pay more if you sign up while you're still there? probably not tho since he's back and then leaving....figured i'd ask tho....

what's your stepdad's take on the war in iraq?

my stepdad? i dont know at first he didnt have much beef with it...but now he doesnt think we shuld really be there...he told me there was really know reason to go there in the first place....when he went the first time he was in 4th ID around samarra....and this time he'll be with those new AFV the strykers...so IED's comin his way...

im not sure what u mean? are u askin if he resigned in iraq?

 

[DubbC415]

I know it's fucking deceitful, but should they not do shit like this at all?

 

[I AM]

are u askin if he resigned in iraq?

yessir.

@Dubb C...that's a good question...part of me thinks it's good they are doing it but the other part thinks they probably know the president will veto it so it doesn't make a difference in the first place. it just gives the appearance that they are doing something or trying to do something when really it doesn't make a difference to them if it happens or not...cause they know it probably won't...if that makes any sense at all...lol..

 

[HUERO''909]

yessir.

@Dubb C...that's a good question...part of me thinks it's good they are doing it but the other part thinks they probably know the president will veto it so it doesn't make a difference in the first place. it just gives the appearance that they are doing something or trying to do something when really it doesn't make a difference to them if it happens or not...cause they know it probably won't...if that makes any sense at all...lol..

naw he didnt as far as i kno...

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I know it's fucking deceitful, but should they not do shit like this at all?

Depends on who you ask I suppose. If you ask any working class american, of course they will say they want the people who are supposedly representing them to be honest. No one wants to vote for a party only for that very party to lie & deceive them.

But that's how politics work.

 

[JLMACN]

I dont think they are being decietful (sp?)

i think there are Americans Soldiers at War the need funding, so yes they approved of it. But they are also saying "We want the troops back".

What would they be saying if they didnt approve the money for war?

"Fuck the troops"

Atleast thats what it would be turned into.

5000

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I dont think they are being decietful (sp?)

i think there are Americans Soldiers at War the need funding, so yes they approved of it. But they are also saying "We want the troops back".

They have absolutely no intentions of bringing the troops back. The funding that they voted on is to EXTEND the war, it's not like if the dems don't approve the military funding and all of a sudden the miltary is out of money and the troops lose their weapons, Humvees, bullet proof vests, etc. No it will simply mean they will need to come home sooner. And the Dems could easily convince the american voters of those points.

["Fuck the troops"

Not the slightest bit. "Fuck the troops" is saying were going to send your ass back again for a "serge" and fight an "unwinable" war (a term used by the highest ranking generals, republicans and even Henry Kissinger).

Atleast thats what it would be turned into.

The republicans would probably try to take that stance but I don't think the american people would buy it, or frankly give a shit since the Iraq war is so unpopular and the majority of americans are in favor of ending the war.

 

[GTS]

We'll have a new SELECTED president by the time this plays out with the pull-out of IRAQ. But won't they just move to the next region after that?

 

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

this war has been called our children's children's war by so many people.. we ain't ever leavin' iraq.