UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

[I AM]

MY OPINION, we don't need Insurance Companies..They take X amount of money off top for what? To make sure you get less than adequate care? The system now is a joke..I don't say give everyone free healthcare...but at least everyone who does pay taxes has a SS # etc. should have some healthcare available to him or her as a minimum benefit of LIFE!

I do agree with this. That people who pay taxes should have the inherent right to a certain amount of medical or dental treatment. However, it shouldn't be complete coverage for everyone--or anyone for that matter.

Either way someone is gonna be mad. If you had it so rich people had to pay and poor people didn't, that's not equality. If you had it so poor people have to pay and rich don't, that's not equal. If they both have to pay, that's pretty equal, except for the fact that people make different amounts of money....which then trickles down into any one of the hundreds of thousands of reasons why people don't have money, or a good education, or a job, or a car, or whatever.

I don't see a feasible way to fix the problem in this country. Giving everyone free health care for everything, IN THIS COUNTRY, wouldn't work. I mean fuck, how many of you go to the doctor and wait at least ONE hour? I do. I've waited for 2 hours when it wasn't even fucking busy. And I pay for that shit out of pocket. So, if all that shit was free.....all the medical offices in this country would be overflowing with people.

Like I said, the idea that Hillary has, is a fucking pipe dream. She must have been sucking too much dick lately or something. If that bitch wins the election, I may have to force myself to move to another country.

 

[I AM]

...and the winner is.


my opinion, im against it, cause i have it. most people without it, of course want someone else to pay for it. what does it cost them but the time to vote and complain about how its their "right" to have someone else support them cause they cant take care of them fuckin selves or their own kids? most people who pay for their own shit dont want to have to pay for other people to have it. almost everyone can afford it, the problem is they choose to do other shit with their money. like I AM said, its about priorities. oustanding social programs breed stupid people and give poor people further incentive to have mass kids, at least less negative incentive. i dont support either of those. "i cant afford it". what are you really saying? you cant afford to work for it? you cant afford to give up your 4 hours on the siccness a day habit? you cant give up buying fresh jordans and buying 30$ drinks at clubs? but like i said, if all you gotta do is bitch for a hand out to get one, then i dont blame you at all.

i totally missed this post earlier.......but good post.

i love systems that let people do whatever they want without holding those same idiots responsible. there's tons of fucking people out there that have 8 kids, and still FUCK LIKE RABBITS and they're broke as fuck and can't pay for their first 3 kids. These people, do NOT deserve SHIT.

education smheducation. You don't have to be a FUCKING brain surgeon to know that if you fuck without a condom you can get pregnant, which leads to having to feed another mouth, clothe another back, and deal with MORE health issues.

if people don't wanna be broke....don't waste your fucking money.

it IS about your priorities. everyone that i know who has health/dental insurance, PAYS FOR IT THEMSELF. I do too.

Let me make this clear to all you fucks that think this is a good idea.

I do NOT like paying for my health insurance. But I would rather pay for it, and know I have it....so IF I get fucked up, and have to go to the hospital and have surgery, I WILL BE COVERED. You don't have to do shit, but if you make that choice it does better your life. You may be down $150/month, but that's NOT that much (unless you work minimum wage--which can be for many different reasons, but that's another topic).

Ultimately, the individual decides what to do with their money. If you have 8 kids, why do you have 8 kids? Did you keep on fucking knowing you didn't have money just cause youre' a whore? Well, sounds like you're fucked now. I FUCKING HATE PEOPLE that expect others to take care of their fuck ups just because "they weren't educated properly." FUCK THAT. Any human should know, if you fuck someone and your semen goes into their fucking vagina, there is a BIG CHANCE that vagina will squeeze out a kid 9 months later.

HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE LIKE IT USE TO BE......FUCK MOLLY CODDLING EVERYONE. That's why our country is the way it is. All these bleeding hearts, and "oh we need to help you because you don't fucking do anything but collect your fucking welfare you dumb ass bitch."

Yes, I know MANY (well knew--but they still do this) people that sit at home all day waiting for their gov't check, and they don't work, and haven't worked in like 10 fucking years.

All you pussy ass mother fuckers can support people who don't do shit for themselves...or those who just WON'T do it cause they don't want to, because the gov't will give them money.

Anyone calling me liberal, after this post, can lick my heathen balls...(I have no label)....

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

I am with I AM on this one except for the raising taxes part.

Not to mention any government run healthcare system would never work and get much less production for a lot more money then a private system would. With no competition there is no incentive to be efficient.

Plus I do no support anything that raises taxes anyhigher then the currently ridiculous level. The government should sit down and calculate exactly what it costs for a person to live in this country, and every person should be required to pay that same amount and nothing more regardless of who they are, how much they make, etc.

Any system that charges people differently based on any factor is unethical and illogical.

 

[Rasan]

I work in the health care field, and we need to figure how a 8 hour emergency room stay turns out to be a $8000 visit.

 

[Mr. Samos]

Sorry to hear about your issues.

Healthcare is WONDERFUL over here, fuck what you heard.

 

[Rasan]

Sorry to hear about your issues.

Healthcare is WONDERFUL over here, fuck what you heard.

can you please explain in detail how health care works out in canada?

 

[Formaldehyde Rx]

Maybe learning to read before you come into this forum would help somewhat.

HA.............

Learning to read take your own advice dumbass when did I say america and corruption in the same sentence?, you responded to my coment with a whirlwind of nonsense. Heaping mounds of illogical blabber, thats your contribution here.

the WTF is for your impersonation of a handicapped captain obvious.

Are you that dude who just regurgetates a medly of factoids he heard someone else say? Oh well no hate you must just be a bit confused.

BUT NO SERIOUSLY........................I'm convinced, infact based on the arguments in here retards, invalids and demented old folks should not recieve any treatment/care they can't payfor FUCK THEM THEY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF IT BEFORE THEY DECIDED TO BE BORN POOR

 

[Formaldehyde Rx]

I AM RETARD

In the catagory of I write just to read my own posts

 

[MEXCOM]

I still dont understand how some of you can say you dont trust politicians and say our government can't hold itself accountable, but in the same breath your all for them having their hands even MORE so into your lives.. with socialized healthcare, your going to have even more 'walter reed' incidents.

And I don't understand how so many people in this very thread claim to be progressive free thinkers and for civil rights and all that jazz and oppose universal healthcare because it'll dig into their pockets.

 

[Filthy Bay Ent]

And I don't understand how so many people in this very thread claim to be progressive free thinkers and for civil rights and all that jazz and oppose universal healthcare because it'll dig into their pockets.

lol@ all that jazz. for me, its not more so of an issue of the tax, Should our economy start thriving again and we arent working to sustain our military state I'd be all for having the option of opting in or out of a universal health care plan, but the common sense aspect of me wagging my finger at our leaders for being so corrupt asks me why the fuck am i going to put them in charge of my health and well being?? :ermm:

 

[Mr. Samos]

can you please explain in detail how health care works out in canada?

I can tell you that I've never had to "wait" to be treated. And none of my family members have ever had to wait for surgery, they were treated within a week. The health care system in BC is solid. I can't tell you how it is in other provinces, but in BC, it's always been good to me.

You would have to read up on our ministry of health for details.

30% of health care is paid for by private sectors, meaning your employer, so it's not hard to get on medical and dental here, within 3 months of a new job, your covered. About roughly 70% is paid by government. And I'm sorry, all this bullshit about "Oh well you just pay it through taxes, you pay just as much, but it's through taxes." Man, we don't even pay attention to that, it's nothing, it's pennies. If you feel sick, your in an emergency, you go to emergency, they take care of you, and your not billed $8000. It's not even something we think about here, we don't THINK about our Health care, because we've never been put in the position where we had to, good health care is just part of the norm.

We have a publicly funded health care system, not socialized medicine. It's not the BEST health care system, with any system there is always room for improvement. But, US is right off the charts man, US needs serious change in their health care system, period. Look at the comparisons to other countries, they are staggering.

I've heard nothing but bad things about the system in the states. My friend actually broke his arm awhile ago, and by going to his doctor during the cast process, his doctor took his cast off early, twice, and he re-injured his arm twice, a broken arm cost him something like 12,000. Anyways, the third time around, he stopped seeing his doctor, and his dad cut the cast off himself in his house. His dad is a millionaire by the way.

I mean, that kind of thing just, we don't think about that here. The two main concerns and raised controversy is waiting times and shortage of doctors. I've never experienced either. We get taken care of here, real talk. Even if you have no money, a really bad job, or no job, or your on welfare and going through a rough time, your covered, you don't have to worry about health care.

No health care system is perfect, but, Universal Health care or publicly funded health care, is better, period. And let's not even get into Quality. Was it such a surprise that Americans were crossing the border just to get Flu shots?

The truth is America needs universal health care, and they are going to get it.

 

[I AM]

I can tell you that I've never had to "wait" to be treated. And none of my family members have ever had to wait for surgery, they were treated within a week. The health care system in BC is solid. I can't tell you how it is in other provinces, but in BC, it's always been good to me.

You would have to read up on our ministry of health for details.


The truth is America needs universal health care, and they are going to get it.

I heard it SUCKS in Edmonton. I know a girl from there (met her in Canada this summer actually) and she said they have to wait all the time. Apparently her dad or someone had surgery and waited over a MONTH just to get an appt or some BS like that.

And about the bold...yeah, that'll happen if we get a bleeding vagina in office...and that's not gonna happen.

And to people saying all this shit about "oh you're mean." FUCK THAT. Taxes are high enough and this country doesn't fucking do anything overwhelmingly great with the money we do fucking give it. I'm not for raising taxes, and giving MORE money to a gov't that is 1) corrupt 2) in debt massively and 3) generally FUCKING retarded.

Those stupid fucks should NOT have our health in their hands....if there was a way for the general population to do something about it without the government stepping in, that would be nice. That won't happen, so the only way it'll go down it getting in a total bleeding heart, and then taxing the FUCK out of every American. I can see taxing the RICH more....but that's not what's gonna happen.

The system isn't gonna work perfectly. No system does. But I don't want to put in a ton of money, nor does anyone else, to a fucking flawed system or a system that hasn't even been fucking figured out 100% yet.

 

[Mr. Samos]

As far as waiting a month, I've never heard of that happening to anyone I know personally, but I would imagine if the patient was ABLE to wait a month, they would, but they keep it in the patients best interest. I would say 1-2 weeks is a normal wait time in Canada. For major, major, surgeries, I am not sure, but it's not like patients here in Canada are suffering up until the last day they go to surgery. The average american view on the canadian health care system is completely flawed due to media and the "your health care system versus our health care system controversy." Canadians and especially Immigrants are just impatient, and immigrants come to Canada with serious health issues and they come here and immediately get covered and taken care of, even before some citizens, so, that's a contributing factor to the controversy with wait times I would imagine. Immigration unfortunately and THE PEOPLE taking advantage. Which isn't that bad of a problem, we want the most that we can get, and we have that opportunity to get it. Americans don't and it's unfortunate.

The problem with fixing health care in America is simply the debt that America is putting itself into. I mean, Americas expends way way way more than they can afford and it affects EVERYTHING. And the government thinks they can just print money out of thin air and fix the problem, sure it gives a temporary fix to Wall Street and the Rich but shortly after, they spend all of this magic money and then have to resort to doing it again, and again, and again. Which, completely oppresses the middle class and below. And this government spending, is mostly all on their health care system. The dollar is down, everything else is up. The dollar isn't down by coincidence, America is killing their dollar. That needs to be fixed the quality of their dollar needs to be brought back up, the war needs to end, and then you can work on the health care system.

To be honest, in the right hands, it will take at least 20 years before you see a significant change in the economy and the health care system. And if the war continues, and the government abundant spending continues, much longer. So, no matter what, Americans aren't going to see a rapid change once a new president is elected, it's simply unrealistic.

The richest nation in the world, and the government can't handle their nations economy, it's completely out of control and it's affecting everything. This is part of the reason why I support Ron Paul.

 

[Mr. Samos]

The positive about America is, with Bush impeached (I wish.) And the current government offices turned upside down so everything can fall out of their pockets and out of their power into a new government, war ended, troops back home, America focusing on America rather than the World, America can reverse the effects quicker than any other Nation and become even stronger in their economy than ever before. This is why the focus is on change because the entire government needs to be fixed and changed from the ground up and the spending needs to be eliminated. Again this is why I support Ron Paul.

Peace.

 

[MEXCOM]

lol@ all that jazz. for me, its not more so of an issue of the tax, Should our economy start thriving again and we arent working to sustain our military state I'd be all for having the option of opting in or out of a universal health care plan, but the common sense aspect of me wagging my finger at our leaders for being so corrupt asks me why the fuck am i going to put them in charge of my health and well being?? :ermm:

And yet you let them control almost every other aspect of your life. How old you should be when you drive, marriage, death, income, the global state in which we live, who runs your municipal government, who is elected to your school board, etc. etc. I don't see your point.

 

[kayvee]

all i know is that when i would get those bills for an ambulance or er visits...i used to flip out, then i would see that i wasn't billed anything because i had medical insurance.

my sister has medi-cal...i'm not sure exactly how that works.

~k.

 

[I AM]

As far as waiting a month, I've never heard of that happening to anyone I know personally, but I would imagine if the patient was ABLE to wait a month, they would, but they keep it in the patients best interest. I would say 1-2 weeks is a normal wait time in Canada. For major, major, surgeries, I am not sure, but it's not like patients here in Canada are suffering up until the last day they go to surgery. The average american view on the canadian health care system is completely flawed due to media and the "your health care system versus our health care system controversy." Canadians and especially Immigrants are just impatient, and immigrants come to Canada with serious health issues and they come here and immediately get covered and taken care of, even before some citizens, so, that's a contributing factor to the controversy with wait times I would imagine. Immigration unfortunately and THE PEOPLE taking advantage. Which isn't that bad of a problem, we want the most that we can get, and we have that opportunity to get it. Americans don't and it's unfortunate.

The problem with fixing health care in America is simply the debt that America is putting itself into. I mean, Americas expends way way way more than they can afford and it affects EVERYTHING. And the government thinks they can just print money out of thin air and fix the problem, sure it gives a temporary fix to Wall Street and the Rich but shortly after, they spend all of this magic money and then have to resort to doing it again, and again, and again. Which, completely oppresses the middle class and below. And this government spending, is mostly all on their health care system. The dollar is down, everything else is up. The dollar isn't down by coincidence, America is killing their dollar. That needs to be fixed the quality of their dollar needs to be brought back up, the war needs to end, and then you can work on the health care system.

To be honest, in the right hands, it will take at least 20 years before you see a significant change in the economy and the health care system. And if the war continues, and the government abundant spending continues, much longer. So, no matter what, Americans aren't going to see a rapid change once a new president is elected, it's simply unrealistic.

The richest nation in the world, and the government can't handle their nations economy, it's completely out of control and it's affecting everything. This is part of the reason why I support Ron Paul.

Right on. I know the Canadian system isn't bad, but it's obviously not perfect. I had a chance to talk to a lot of people this summer about how things work in Canada, more specifically British Columbia (and Edmonton).

But all the negatives you're listing about the US are the reasons I don't believe a universal health care system would work here. There are way too many hidden agendas in the politics in this country to put something together that successful for the PEOPLE that pay the taxes for it.

Ron Paul wouldn't help much I don't think...everything would go private, and this country would be on some super-capitalism shit, which would leave everyone in the dust.

While I don't support taxing people for the health care system, I do think that something needs to be done in this country as far as health care. But what Hillary is talking about, and all her BS, I don't think it would happen...and if I did, it wouldn't work well--and after her term, there would more than likely be another Democrat because that's how this country works (gets sick of one party then votes for the other), so then a Republican would come in and then it would probably be over real quick.

Our politicians are not working for us. They are working for themselves and their affiliates and the people that fund their fucking campaigns.

 

[nhojsmith]

And I'm sorry, all this bullshit about "Oh well you just pay it through taxes, you pay just as much, but it's through taxes." Man, we don't even pay attention to that, it's nothing, it's pennies. If you feel sick, your in an emergency, you go to emergency, they take care of you, and your not billed $8000. It's not even something we think about here, we don't THINK about our Health care, because we've never been put in the position where we had to, good health care is just part of the norm.

How is it bullshit?! LMAO. It's absolutely true. Just because you don't think about it doesn't mean you aren't paying for it, that is ridiculous. You are not billed $8000 at once because you are paying tens of thousands over your entire life (yet you claim its only pennies). Its a factual statement, you dont have free health care, you are paying for it, and you have already paid for it.

No health care system is perfect, but, Universal Health care or publicly funded health care, is better, period. And let's not even get into Quality. Was it such a surprise that Americans were crossing the border just to get Flu shots?

The truth is America needs universal health care, and they are going to get it.

I mean basically you disregard all the criticisms of canadas health system which are widely known and admitted by your own government, highlight some anecdotes about the shortcomings of the US privatized system, namely some irrelevant thing about your friend who was already covered by insurance (so how would universal health care have benefitted his misdiagnosed arm), and declare that the US NEEDS universal health care. Im not convinced. Im sure you are very happy with your system. But I have never had any problems under our system either.

 

[I AM]

But I have never had any problems under our system either.

You're supposed to be humanitarian and care about the other people that live in this country not just yourself! Geez!

 

[Filthy Bay Ent]

And yet you let them control almost every other aspect of your life. How old you should be when you drive, marriage, death, income, the global state in which we live, who runs your municipal government, who is elected to your school board, etc. etc. I don't see your point.

There is a diffrence between local and federal governments. Im all for local governments because thats the closest we can get to true representation, but on a federal level, its way too expansive for my lone voice to make any kind of waves. When you centralize a whole bunch of facets of society under the control of a single group of people, the prospect for abuse and corruption is much more of a possibility and most of the time already present.. I dont see how you don't see my point.. I dont think politicians in DC should say what can or can't be law in california. Perfect example, Canabis cards. The local police won't fuck with you, but the feds will.

So, Mexcom. can you tell me how it is a good thing that a larger federal entity usurps local law and policy?

The person im going to vote for is against the federalizing of all those you listed above, thanks for reminding me why im voting the way i am..