Truckers take it to the streets in Europe (will they ever do the same thing here inUS

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080609/ts_afp/europeinflationprotestenergytransport

MADRID (AFP) - Tens of thousands of truckers in Spain, France and Portugal on Monday stepped up protests against rising fuel prices, causing mayhem on highways and blocking border crossings.

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Huge tailbacks built up around major cities and on the French-Spanish border as French fishermen in Mediterranean ports ended their three-week strike over the spiralling cost of fuel.

Spain's second largest hauliers' union Fenadismer, which claims to represent 70,000 out of Spain's 380,000 truck drivers, launched an open-ended strike on Monday. It said it was "peaceful" but followed "massively".

Talks Monday between the hauliers and the government ended in failure, Fenadismer said.

"Fenadismer will maintain its national strike" as the government's proposals were "insufficient", it said.

Trucks jammed several main highways including at the frontier with France, according to traffic officials, who also reported massive snarls in Madrid and Valencia.

A Spanish truckers' group calling itself the Platform for the Defence of the Transport Sector, who say they speak for 50,000 truckers, walked off the job last week. They have threatened to disrupt the opening this weekend of the International Exposition in Zaragosa.

The conservative Spanish newspaper ABC said the aim of the strikers was to block oil supplies from refineries and stocks at retail markets this week.

Spanish media said the number of trucks at wholesale markets on Monday were considerably lower than usual.

French truckers struggling with high fuel costs staged fresh protests near the Spanish border and in the southwest.

Several trucks from the southern city of Perpignan disrupted traffic at border posts, preventing trucks from crossing and causing a tailback of some 10 kilometres (six miles) on both sides of the border. Private cars were allowed through.

Protestors branded banners which read: "Trucker = Unemployed," and "It's the end of our profession."

Some 200 trucks converged on the four main motorways leading into Bordeaux Monday morning, causing 30 kilometers (20 miles) of tailbacks in and around the city.

"We are demanding immediate measures" to counter the impact of high fuel prices, said Jean-Pierre Morlin, president of the European trucking organisation for the Aquitaine region.

Portugal's Transport Minister Mario Lino was to meet later Monday with representatives of road transport associations in a bid to end the strike by truckers who have threatened to "paralyze" the country.

According to police, trucks parked at petrol pumps were stoned overnight or while they were on the road after the strike started at midnight.

Many had their windscreens shattered.

The strikers also blocked entrances to several factories. According to industry figures, there are some 40,000 truckers in Portugal serving an estimated 5,000 firms.

However, French fishermen from Mediterranean ports on Monday ended a three-week strike ahead of a key meeting of European fisheries ministers.

"All of the fleets from the Mediterranean ports went back to work this morning, but we remain very vigilant," said Ange Natoli, a representative of the Mediterranean fishing fleets.

Fleets in the Channel ports of Boulogne-sur-Mer, Calais and Dunkirk last week called off their strike pending the talks.

Portuguese fishermen called off their five-day-old strike on Wednesday.

However, their counterparts in Spain, home to Europe's largest fishing fleet, maintained their "indefinite" stoppage launched May 30.

"Almost all the ports in Spain are on strike," said the head of the Spanish Fisheries Confederation, Javier Garat.

EU fisheries ministers meet on June 23-24 tackle the fuel crisis.

Marine diesel prices have leapt by around 30 percent since the start of 2008, triggering protests in European ports as well as warnings that fishing boat owners face bankruptcy without higher subsidies.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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They know if they did it would mean the end of their unions. (an immediate end rather than the slow death they have been under for years).


Non union workers can't afford to do it - cuz they are non union.


And as long as Americans are more concerned with getting a new plasma TV and their kid the latest brats doll from toys r us, rather than having any concern for their neighbors losing their homes and jobs there won't be any change.
 
Nov 24, 2003
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I don't quite understand what they are protesting.

This is simple supply and demand...how do they expect prices to go down?

And subsidizing fuel is really just bandaiding the problem.

I mean even if all the oil corporations dropped their profit margins to like 1%, gas would still be expensive because its limited.

They just need to charge more for their services, problem solved.
 
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In addition I'm sure they are protesting to be paid more, since the price of gas has gone up but their pay hasn't. That was the same for the american truckers that went on strike a couple months back (although not nearly as many). They were asking to be paid more. They get paid per mile or whatever and it got to the point where many of them were losing money
 
Apr 25, 2002
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What do you mean? Just because Wall St is influencing the price doesn't mean that it is not supply and demand, only that there are indirect parties influencing the demand side of the equation.

So you've been convinced that world demand for oil has more than doubled in a years time?

Light Sweet ranged from about $50/barrel to $65/barrel between October of '06 - April '07. We are now over $130/barrel.



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:cheeky:
 
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In addition I'm sure they are protesting to be paid more, since the price of gas has gone up but their pay hasn't. That was the same for the american truckers that went on strike a couple months back (although not nearly as many). They were asking to be paid more. They get paid per mile or whatever and it got to the point where many of them were losing money

Yeah that I undertand. I don't understand when I hear people protesting fuel prices because not only does the protest seem futile, but illogical as well.

I get tons of those e-mails about people trying to coordinate mass gas price protests, but it doesn't make sense. Just because we all don't buy gas for one day doesn't mean that prices are going to magically fall because the protest doesn't do anything to change our dependency on the resource.

As far as the truckers, they need to protest to be paid more, and if someone else can do the same job cheaper than they were able to, then more power to the guy that can do it cheaper.
 
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So you've been convinced that world demand for oil has more than doubled in a years time?


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:cheeky:

No. Thats what I just said, that Wall St is artificially influencing the demand for oil, but that is just good business sense on their part.

Oil is limited. We are highly dependent on it. Buy some now. It will be worth more later.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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I don't quite understand what they are protesting.

This is simple supply and demand...how do they expect prices to go down?

No. Thats what I just said, that Wall St is artificially influencing the demand for oil, but that is just good business sense on their part.

Oil is limited. We are highly dependent on it. Buy some now. It will be worth more later.


So . . . You don't understand why they are protesting because you think it is about suply and demand.
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You understand why they are protesting because the price has been manipulated.

:confused:
 

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people who protest gas prices are stupid, period

I won't go into details why, there is a huge thread on the subject of Peak Oil and what it means for our civlization
 
Nov 24, 2003
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So . . . You don't understand why they are protesting because you think it is about suply and demand.
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You understand why they are protesting because the price has been manipulated.

:confused:

I am unclear as to where you are confused :confused:

Yes it is about supply and demand. The equation is unbalanced because the demand side is being artificially influenced by Wall St, creating the increase in price that you mentioned.

There is nothing wrong with what Wall St is doing. They are investing in a limited resource, which is a smart investment. The truckers are really protesting economics, not fuel prices.

The equation is unbalanced now, but that just means there is an opportunity on the supply side. Maybe we will see a significant resurgence in the use of trains to ship goods. Maybe the truckers could start a new business that helps to reduce the distance that goods need to be shipped. Instead of buying produce from Europe, they could work on a network that would link producers with buyers in a geographical region to reduce shipping expenses. An unbalanced equation means opportunity.
 
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Yes it is about supply and demand. The equation is unbalanced because the demand side is being artificially influenced by Wall St, creating the increase in price that you mentioned.

There is nothing wrong with what Wall St is doing. They are investing in a limited resource, which is a smart investment. The truckers are really protesting economics, not fuel prices.

The increase in price has nothing to do with demand because ACTUAL or REAL demand has not increased.

Attached is a graph that shows Oil prices from Jan of '07 to Jan of '08. I challenge you to show any data that can show global ACTUAL demand for oil that comes close to corresponding with such a rise in price.


A speculator is a person who “does not produce or use the commodity, but risks his or her own capital trading futures in that commodity in hopes of making a profit on price changes.”


Speculators are not investing in a tangible product. They are manipulating futures prices. My contention is that a futures contract bought by a speculator is not the same as demand for contracts for the delivery of a physical barrel today.

The result is that by purchasing large numbers of futures contracts, and thereby pushing up futures prices to even higher levels than current prices, speculators have provided a financial incentive for oil companies to buy even more oil and place it in storage. A refiner will purchase extra oil today, even if it costs $115 per barrel, if the futures price is even higher.

As a result, over the past two years crude oil inventories have been steadily growing, resulting in US crude oil inventories that are now higher than at any time in the previous eight years. The large influx of speculative investment into oil futures has led to a situation where we have both high supplies of crude oil and high crude oil prices.

In recent years global production has increased as demand has increased. Production hase even exceeded demand. - though that's what the US Department of Energy says. I guess you’d have to trust their numbers. Surplus production capacity is growing between 3 and 5 million barrels per day and according to the Department of Energy will continue through 2010.

The Department of Energy seems to think you're wrong about demand cuz they are fairly certain there is a surplus and there will continue to be for several years.
 
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people who protest gas prices are stupid, period

I won't go into details why, there is a huge thread on the subject of Peak Oil and what it means for our civlization
Thats great and all, but arent you a front runner for global climate change? Are you saying that oil is the LEAST harmful way of powering the world and that no matter what, were are doomed?

It seems pretty condescending to me..

The problem is that way back when, oil was discovered and it was found to be a cheap way to use a fossil fuel. THe problem with that is, they had NO CLUE as to what the backlash to that would be. Now, becuase oil has been used regularly over the last century, it has become the standard in power. Now, we are bascially STUCK with it.

And now im not so sure its even the cheapest way. Since when is $4.35 a gallon cheap?
 
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stop tyiping out of your ass idiot, you dont know shit.
Appearntly, you havent even read anything in the thread, otherwise you would have read this:

So you've been convinced that world demand for oil has more than doubled in a years time?

Light Sweet ranged from about $50/barrel to $65/barrel between October of '06 - April '07. We are now over $130/barrel.