Tobacco companies file lawsuit over warning labels

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what's next, violent car crash scenes with dead bodies on beer cans?

I've never met a smoker who doesn't know smoking is bad for them. Smokers have been told the negative effects their whole lives.
Actually, there are commercials depicting fucked up car accidents.

Like this one here...



And let's be honest, teenagers know that smoking is bad for them...but they don't quite understand to what extent. Maybe it's that "I'm untouchable" attitude, which needs to be checked. Cigarette companies do not market to adults who have been smoking for years...they target young people who haven't smoked.

Either way, not sure how I feel about the new ads. I don't think the government should intervene, but I think the cig companies need to go to fuckin' hell...and I'm trying to shake the habit myself.
 
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Kids have seen dead bodies, and gruesome scenes by that age. They're on tv, the internet, and on video games. I don't think it's really going to do anything to stop kids from smoking.

I just think this is another way for the government to enforce more regulation on companies, and injecting it's own moral restrictions based on assumptions.
I've seen dead bodies and shit, too...from a young age. That doesn't mean I want to BE the dead body.
 

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Actually, there are commercials depicting fucked up car accidents.

Like this one here...



And let's be honest, teenagers know that smoking is bad for them...but they don't quite understand to what extent. Maybe it's that "I'm untouchable" attitude, which needs to be checked. Cigarette companies do not market to adults who have been smoking for years...they target young people who haven't smoked.

Either way, not sure how I feel about the new ads. I don't think the government should intervene, but I think the cig companies need to go to fuckin' hell...and I'm trying to shake the habit myself.

I'm not a fan of cigarettes, I smoke, but I can't shake the habit myself. Saying that cigarette companies target kids though is a little old, and over-used. I think at one time they did heavily, but I don't think that's the case anymore. They pulled the commercials from TV, they no longer have cartoon characters (Joe Camel, ect), candy, and you see less and less "kids" in movies smoking. In comes down to what their friends do, and some will end up smoking regardless of what's on the box. Implementing a new set of regulations on someone because you feel morally obligated too, isn't the job of the government, in my opinion, whether it's a corporation or a single individual.
 
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I'm not a fan of cigarettes, I smoke, but I can't shake the habit myself. Saying that cigarette companies target kids though is a little old, and over-used. I think at one time they did heavily, but I don't think that's the case anymore. They pulled the commercials from TV, they no longer have cartoon characters (Joe Camel, ect), candy, and you see less and less "kids" in movies smoking. In comes down to what their friends do, and some will end up smoking regardless of what's on the box. Implementing a new set of regulations on someone because you feel morally obligated too, isn't the job of the government, in my opinion, whether it's a corporation or a single individual.
The cigarette companies aim to pull customers in as young as possible because it equals a lot more money. Yes, they got rid of the characters and shit, but their target is still a young audience.

Case in point, Camel Crush. Why make a cigarette with a crunchy menthol ball? Sure, you can have a regular cig and turn it into a menthol if you want...but most adults smoke menthol or they don't. The little ball in the cig gives a non-experienced smoker a "taste-test", and something "cool" to do with a cigarette.

How bout a pic of a morbidly obese fat fuck on yo bag of doritos!
Eating crap doesn't always lead to obesity, drinking alcohol doesn't always lead to liver disease or drunk driving accidents. In fact, studies have proven certain amounts of alcohol can benefit the body. Smoking fucks with your lungs, throat, voice box, and other organs in the body...and they are the most addictive product known to man.
 
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Eating crap doesn't always lead to obesity, drinking alcohol doesn't always lead to liver disease

you can smoke for 60 years and not ever get lung cancer. you can never smoke a shmittly in your life and get lung cancer. you will fuck up your lungs, depending on how long you been smokin, but to a certain extent your lungs can some what heal once quitting.

eating hella all the time will lead to obesity, if not it'll lead to some underlying shit that can shorten your life span. same with alcohol. you cant do it forever and walk away scott free. ask your organs.

and this is a step into banning ciggs all together. not the first step, thats been done for years, followed by many other implemented steps.
 

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A real deterrent to smokers might actually be putting the list of chemicals that cigarettes contain. I mean, that's required for other things we ingest but has never been done with cigarettes. I think if people knew about all those chemicals they wouldn't want to start, and would look for ways to quit.
 
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what's next, violent car crash scenes with dead bodies on beer cans?

I've never met a smoker who doesn't know smoking is bad for them. Smokers have been told the negative effects their whole lives.
i stopped at a circle K once in monroe washington and while waiting at the register this 35-40 yr old hick dude ahead of me asked for a blue pack of american spirits. he told the cashier "You know I smoked these things cause they say 'addictive free', and I'm pretty sure I'm addicted after a few packs now," the old lady at the register looked at him completely dumbfounded and said "Actually the pack says "ADDITIVE free".

I couldn't believe this fuckin dude... He must have been real life trolling cause I can't think of someone who could be that dumb. Then again, maybe he was. You'd be surprised how ignorant people can be about cigarettes.
 
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I go to natural food conventions cuz of my work and I once visited an American spirit booth. Hey gave me a piece of paper that had size 8 font of all the ingredients found in conventional cigs that aren't in am spirits. The sheet was printed on both sides. It was kind of eye opening but I still smoke camels but trying to quit. I haveno problem with the warning label. It's the same ish with beer in the us. There's no labeling laws. If you geta microbrew they might list the ingredients but most big breweries don't.
 

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A real deterrent to smokers might actually be putting the list of chemicals that cigarettes contain. I mean, that's required for other things we ingest but has never been done with cigarettes. I think if people knew about all those chemicals they wouldn't want to start, and would look for ways to quit.
this sounds like a legit route
 
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the ingredients have been disclosed to the DHHS for over a decade now, the problem is that they can't be legally released because cigarette makers have a legal right to protect their trade secrets
 
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thing is, there something like 400 to 600 ingredients in your typical cigarette. you got shit like chocolate flavoring, beeswax, vanilla, generally harmless additives right next to things like ammonia and other chemicals which vaporize the nicotine and turn it into freebase nicotine. all of these additives have been approved by the government as acceptable additives.

the problem is when you actually light the cigarette and smoke it, the chemicals react and form different bonds and create new chemicals altogether, bringing the original 400-600 additives up to a whopping 4000 or so chemicals.

the government has not done any testing on actual cigarette smoke as far as i know, only the cigarettes themselves. if they were to regulate the actual cigarette smoke vs the physical cigarette, im sure cigarettes would not be legal.

im sure with how the laws are set up thats likely an impossible legal battle to win against the tobacco giants