To XXMrSur...whatever you r known as....

[Nobody's Biz]

To XXMrSur...

You never heard of strength in numbers? It's nice to know you and yours can go it alone without no one else's help. Pick on someone who cares, cuz you don't have to look far around here to see most families and neighborhoods here are greatly mixed. If staying with your one ideology suits you, fine. Mine are about knowing not to limit against down people from a variety of backgrounds. What matters is what's in people's true hearts and minds today, not what DNA came out of their mama's egg or their pop's sperm. You are isolating yourself from the help of all us spread out underdogs struggling against this unfair government system. Why fight each other now when we are all oppressed family in the incarceration generation?
Hate elsewhere, my friend. I have blood from different Native tribes (Cherokee, Apache, Creek, & Navajo), plenty of Irish and Norweigian genes, and I grew up in the heart of a bangin' East Bay barrio with bikers, but I refuse to be at war with myself and my kindred hearts regardless of past ancestral troubles. Likewise, I could turn on my own Mama if she ever turned truly scandalous against the just and righteous. (I heart you for teaching me that Mama!) La Raza can't stay strong unless we all
realize the fact that mixed households, marriages, and neighborhoods will continue, diluting La Raza and other power structures based on race through the generations no matter how hard you try to deny it. Opposites attract, or as the French put it, "Vive la diference!" We all need to have respect for natural law in order to plan a future as educated masters, not provincial slaves. There IS a way to do things Norte style that doesn't need to be discussed on an open public forum here
anyway. Baiting others to prove their knowledge and experience on this board is nailing yourself and others in the foot in more ways than one, wrecking any hope you might have of attaining your own state of coolestness, or whatever your goals may be. Recognize that combinations of unexpekted skills will leave room to grant a wealth of new ideas from many other freedom luvin cultures which can help all exploited people organize beyond racial ties to stay strong, including us poor and disenfranchised whites and mixed blood Mexicans cut off by an unfair government from the wisdom of their homies.
Without knowing this, you are nothing but a racist and a classist who will not be lonely at the bottom. California is a battleground not between races on not much other than a surface level. In reality, whether you realize it now or not, we endure the exponential burdens of an economic war between the controlling puppeteer industrialist "haves" and the misled, disinformed, separated, left behind "have nots." Any self-started divisiveness among us plays right into the hands of those power elite that profit from our misguided set tripping. Don't hate on those who seek to bond. Crack a book, not a kinsman's head, to light a candle for your future brothers and sisters still trapped in the dark. Opening your mind as well as your heart to new ideas will increase your individual potential, reveal whole new community paradigms, and introduce you to an undeniable strength words couldn't describe.

I am told some say I have a polished knack for changing people's views while representing to the fullest. Did I change your view yet? All Cali's strugglin hustlas of all shades need support from the rest of our brothers and sisters who are knowing for real what it's been like. Hit me back if I did. If I didn't, Oh well... Lots of luck, as your enemies will likely outnumber your friends regardless of how I or anybody else feels. Y hablo espanol, tambien. Con mucho amor...

 

[N-Sane]

Danm....Nothin but Str8 "GAME"

 

[Nobody's Biz]

"Str8 Game".......?"
Why would you say that to someone you obviously don't know? Are you insinuating my words are lies, or are you implying I have an ulterior game motive for sharing my experience with other homies? What "game" benefit could I possibly gain for myself by my words? You need to check yourself, son, "cuz your the type to hop up in the game just to wreck it" as Wood's words describe ppl like you. You are quite out of pocket, and you don't need to set trip with me, little child.


You obviously don't know me and don't deserve to. Fact is I'm not the one to put words what should be kept only among the few up on a board like this for all others to see, and I'm not the one asking anyone else to. Who's game now, foo? Anyone who really knows me knows I've been THROUGH IT for SEVERAL of my own families GENERATIONS and my ENTIRE 'HOOD. You are str8 "game" for tryin to bait ANYONE you don't know into proving themselves by revealing how "ungame" they are. If you are ever lucky enough to meet me in person and attempt to win my respect, say nothing else that doesn't need to be said before you TRY ME. My homies are Norte, and I am from Norte areas, lucky to be in the heart of a very large mixed family among several races, including my brothers and sisters, neices and nephews marrying all Nortes of Mexican heritage. You don't know a thing if you can't feel the whole Bay (at the very least) if not all of Cali is made up of extended families with some overlapping loyalties among Mexicans, Asians, Blacks, mixed white and poor white crews all backing Norte even if they don't have the ability to claim. Where have you been, and what the f*ck are you smokin?
Show up at any Norte wedding or funeral from Richmond down to Decoto, down to San Jose and you'll see the obvious. Before you shoot someone you DON"T know down with a "game" accusation, you better be DAMN SURE YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE SPEAKING ON. Am I clear, sweetheart? I am not known for making a long story short, but for you I'd make an exception just to cut loose on a foo. Don't take me wrong, hon, I'd love you enough to teach you a lesson you wouldn't quickly forget, as you must've been such an ugly baby your Momma couldn't stand to look at you long enough to raise you right. Save your disrespecting "game" accusations until you know fo' sho if you're speaking with true down folks or not. Your energy is better used against the opposition, and shouldn't be wasted on fostering unrest among the ranks of the loyal and their affiliates.

 

[dboss]

Can I get a "amen" on that !!!

 

[c0rn brEaD!]

DAMN THIZ THREAD TOOK ME LIKE 10 MINUTE$ TO READ IT, MY EYEZ ARE HURTTING! HOW LONG DID IT TAKE U TO TYPE THAT?NAH JU$T KIDDING, I FELL U NOBODY'$ BIZ

 

[N-Sane]

"Str8 Game".......?"
Why would you say that to someone you obviously don't know? Are you insinuating my words are lies, or are you implying I have an ulterior game motive for sharing my experience with other homies? What "game" benefit could I possibly gain for myself by my words? You need to check yourself, son, "cuz your the type to hop up in the game just to wreck it" as Wood's words describe ppl like you. You are quite out of pocket, and you don't need to set trip with me, little child.

Damn slow your rool homeboy!!! I was giving you props on Spittin "Str8-Game " not dissin you! You need to check yourself and stop lettin this internet shit get to you! What you spit was real talk and I was feeling it, but if you wanna take what i said all wrong than fuck you I wasnt coming at you disrespectful!, I dont know what they call game where your from but over here Game = knowledge! For 1 I dont set trip on the net and for 2 I aint no little child so miss me wit that shit!!!

 

[Nobody's Biz]

Oh my gosh. I am so embarrassed! My bad, homie!

I haven't heard pple being called "game" around here unless it's folks hatin on some fake azzed skinny slut who thinks she can play them.

This siccness is getting to me. Anybody have a coughdrop?

 

[Nobody's Biz]

Anyways, I am stuck in the house with a serious case of the sniffles and my temp is out of whack. While creeping through google, this jumped up out of a search. Do you all see it closer or father from the truth as it stands now?

(Quoted from an on-line essay by Eric Cummings about the prison system, in reference to Norteno civil rights beginnings looking like there's nothing but money motivating Norte capitalists now..(which to me makes halla sense once ppl realize looking like a righteous revolutionary against corrupt buerocrats will get you slapped down by the rich who stepped on the poor to get the top. Don't it make sense to at least instead "look" like someone who supports the policies of corporate raiders with no human conscience without overtly mentioning a political agenda that supports the majority of oppressed people? What else was lost in the disconnected translation to the next generation separated from their roots?)....Agree or disagree?

When the Norteno tip originated on September 16, 1968, plotting its own debut to coincide with the celebration of Mexican
Independence Day, it did so very deliberately. Today, for Norteno members, the tip occupies the place in the group life of its
membership where the state has erased nationhood. There it remakes itself into a parallel micro-state complete with a patriotic
birthday which replicates the national birthday of Mexico. In the Norteno tip, in other words, it is as if civil death has claimed its
own parallel statehood.7 The Norteno tip emerged from one of San Quentin's treatment-era "inmate self-improvement groups" and
initially took its place as one of the in-prison warrior arms of La Raza, a policing faction, in other words, of the California Chicano
wing of the civil rights movement. In these earliest days, the tip to some extent saw itself as a Chicano proletarian revolutionary
prisoner movement. It was very conscious of its links to the northern Californian urban Chicano working class. It agitated fiercely
for equal treatment of Latino prisoners in the system. And according to some members, the Norteno tip even provided security at
early marches of Cesar Chavez and his United Farm Workers. Since that period the gang's ties have not remained close to its
working class roots, however. Today, for the most part the group has evolved away from overtly political goals. It now pursues the
simple goal of power and profit for its members. The organization persists in its call for equity inside, and in that limited sense it
remains a group with a political goal. In any broader sense, however, the gang has lost its politics entirely. It is now a
corporate-style mafia organization with power and profit for its members as its main expressed goals. From one point of view, the
group looks like a failed revolutionary impulse that was turned away from political struggle; what we see today might be the
remains of a failed prisoner proletarian revolt that is now very little political. This wouldn't be the first time that an essentially
political impulse informing a subculture was turned aside for a capitalist, corporate model of crime. Certain of South Africa's
organized crime groups, I am told, also developed out of outlaw groups with proletarian roots and Leninist organizational structure
(8). Maybe when we think of the Norteno tip we should recall Horkheimer and Adorno's observation that "the deceived masses
are today captivated by the myth of success even more than the successful are" (9). However it has happened, Norteno members
have sacrificed their early politics for an eager scramble up the ladder to corporate profit.

 

[LOOTER oF tHE NEW CHURCH]

damn I feel stupid now because I didnt understand much of that (I only read it once). The part that I did get was intriguing.

 

[N-Sane]

Oh my gosh. I am so embarrassed! My bad, homie!

I haven't heard pple being called "game" around here unless it's folks hatin on some fake azzed skinny slut who thinks she can play them.

This siccness is getting to me. Anybody have a coughdrop?

Its all good homie, keep doing your thang!...I aint mad at ya!

 

[Nobody's Biz]

Hey N-Sane, where did ya go off to? Haven't seen you in a minute.

 

[FC ENE]

May be this doesn't have anything to do witht the topic but I have heard from Veteranos that they would go to Delano to march with Ceasar Chavez. That they would go to protect the ppl marching. Shit gets twisted now that Norteno's hate their mexico roots or that they try to deliberatly loose them. but in the earlier years we were the ones consider "wetbacks". The sad thing is I wish more of us knew spanish(I know spanish) but I will never forget the reasons sur and norte dont get along. both nortenos and surenos are at war for other reasons. It kind of pisses me off when they use the Raza thing. Shit I was born here but my parents were from Mexico, I was a straight paisa growing up in the valley, I worked in the field, (which makes me a famero J/k). but cause of family deaths and fights my life went to the NORTHERN cause. not the other. Its stupid for anyone to bring our pride in the RAZA, when we are both killing it. I know I sound contradicting but thats my 2 cents.

 

[DCL ENT]

WELL I'VE HEARD THAT IN JAIL BACK IN THA DAY THE MEXICAN MAFIA WAS HELLA CHICANOS AND THAT THE GUYS THAT WENT UP NORTH TO WORK AND ENDED UP IN JAIL WERE CALLED FARMEROS (LATER BECAME THE NUESTRA FAMILIA) AND DISCRIMINATED BECAUSE OF BEING AN IMMIGRANT. NOW I SEE IT THE OPPOSITE WAY NORTENOS TELL SURENOS TO GO BACK TO MEXICO CUZ THATS THE SUR N SHIT. I READ SOMEWHERE THAT 22nd & BRYANT IN FRISCO DONT TALK SPANISH CUZ THATS A LANGUAGE FROM THE SOUTH, NO DISRESPECT TO THEM IT'S JUST SOMETHING I READ, BUT I DOUBT IS TRUE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME BOUT DAT ????

 

[RIX]

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN?

 

[LOOTER oF tHE NEW CHURCH]

That fool spittin that ignorance and hate on this board should not surprise anyone. Of course he brought up the race thing, he was trying to dis you. Do you think he gives a fuck about justice and equal opportunity issues in gang membership? Fuck no he just wants to use it against you. Trying to get through to someone like that is pointless.

 

[LOOTER oF tHE NEW CHURCH]

this post is Nobody's Biz trying to get through to some cholo from near San Diego who was focusing on the fact that many many Nortenos do not speak Spanish and are often only part Chicano (or not Chicano at all).

 

[Nobody's Biz]

Yaw I wuz tryin to get an A+ in my sociology class. I overslept & missed the handin deadline like a dumbfuck & my whole project got knocked down a grade. I think it's discrimnation. Dont they know it's in my blood I need like a extra siesta and a half?

On the reals tho there been Mexicans and Native Americans here longer than everybuddy else. Why the fuck we got to speak "Spanish" a Eurpoean Spaniard Conquistadors language to appear authentically Native to anybody. Im still mad at the fucking Spanish, though I am also mixed. I don't think hardly anybody cares about race or language anymore. We caring about our families and our homies and our selves, cuz everybody else be trying to jack us to help themselves.

 

[LOOTER oF tHE NEW CHURCH]

I don't think hardly anybody cares about race or language anymore. We caring about our families and our homies and our selves, cuz everybody else be trying to jack us to help themselves.

well thats you but down here it aint like that and people are quick to judge others based on race. Sad but true. Not every cholo is like that believe me but many will "go there" at the drop of a hat and it's funny to them. Oh well it doesnt affect me at least :cheeky: people judge me based on other shit :dead:

 

[Nobody's Biz]

Up here it really sometimes more confusing than anything else cuz you really can't tell who linked up with who just by physical racial appearances -- which can be a good thing sometimes but also really scary if you on the whole wrong end of somebuddy takin shots with no understanding. It can be like a strange deadly dance that don't stop.

 

[Vamps]

Why the fuck we got to speak "Spanish" a Eurpoean Spaniard Conquistadors language to appear authentically Native to anybody.

So you'd rather speak English? No one has conquered more places then the English. If you want to go back to your native roots, speak Nahuatl..

It's funny that there's so many other races in a MEXICAN gang. You can't see the humor in that? Just like it's funny that there's a bunch of races in black gangs (Crips/Bloods) up North and throughout the rest of the U.S..

Just like it'd be funny if there were Armenians or Russians in Wah Ching, a Chinese gang..




Vamps
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