TO ALL YOU EVOLUTION THEORY SUPPORTERS

[EDJ]

DEEP THOUgHT,
YOU STRESSED, "a) Logic based on a divine source? The very idea is absurd.

I TAKE IT YOU DON'T HAVE FAITH THAT WORDS CAN COME FROM SOMETHIN' BEYOND THE LOgIC OF MAN? RIgHT?

AND THEN YOU gON TO SAY, "b) That's the whole idea EDJ." WHEN I ASKED, "WHAT IS FAITH IF IT IS BASED ON INACCURACIES?"
BUT THAT AIN'T THE POINT. IF I'M gONNA PUT FAITH ON SOMETHIN' I'M gONNA MAKE SURE IT COINCIDES WITH LOgIC, HISTORICAL FACTS, ETC.... AND BELIEVE IS TO BE TRUE. IF I PUT MY FAITH ON SOMETHIN' THAT SEEMS ILLOgICAL AND CAN BE PROVEN TO BE WRONg, THEN WHY WOULD I EVEN BELIEVE IN THAT? IF SOMETHIN' CAN BE DISPUTED AND UP FOR DEBATE, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY CAUSE SOMEBODY ALWAYS gONNA MENTALLY BREAKDOWN SOMETHIN' DIFFERENTLY IN THEY MIND THAN ME. BUT IF YOU SHOW ME SOMETHIN' TO BE FALSE, WITHOUT A DOUBT, THEN I HAVE NO OTHA CHOICE BUT TO LOOK AT WHAT'S PRESENTED.




EPITAPH,
HOW IS THIS STUPID? I ASKED A LEgITMATE QUESTION. NO NEED IN TRYIN' TO INSULT ME.

BUT YOU STRESS THAT, "emotions are a product of early survival tactics."

HOW SO? MAN HAD TO BE ANgRY TO KILL AN ANIMAL TO EAT? SO YOU SAYIN' THAT A BABY AND A MOTHER DIDN'T HAVE LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER IN OUR EARLIEST TIMES? HOW DO WE gET EMOTIONS? WHERE THEY COME FROM?

 

[Epitaph]

in the earliest times as you put it their where no people and emotions are relics of our animal heritage

 

[Blight]

from "instincts".

And yes im sayin its a byproduct. It seems so real tho that unless people are educated about it, they never know the real emotions.

 

[EDJ]

EPTITAPH,
SO YOU SAYIN' WE WERE ONCE BEASTS? YOU SAY WE COME FROM ANIMALS? HOW SO?

BLIgHT,
WHY DO WE HAVE THEM? WE DON'T NEED THEM.

 

[Blight]

Its a developed instinct. We need instincts, and emotions are bi-products.

 

[EDJ]

HOW DO WE HAVE INSTINCTS?

 

[Deep Thought]

Originally posted by EDJ I TAKE IT YOU DON'T HAVE FAITH THAT WORDS CAN COME FROM SOMETHIN' BEYOND THE LOgIC OF MAN? RIgHT?

You're twisting my words. Faith and logic aren't bedmates.

Originally posted by EDJ AND THEN YOU gON TO SAY, "b) That's the whole idea EDJ." WHEN I ASKED, "WHAT IS FAITH IF IT IS BASED ON INACCURACIES?"
BUT THAT AIN'T THE POINT. IF I'M gONNA PUT FAITH ON SOMETHIN' I'M gONNA MAKE SURE IT COINCIDES WITH LOgIC, HISTORICAL FACTS, ETC.... AND BELIEVE IS TO BE TRUE. IF I PUT MY FAITH ON SOMETHIN' THAT SEEMS ILLOgICAL AND CAN BE PROVEN TO BE WRONg, THEN WHY WOULD I EVEN BELIEVE IN THAT? IF SOMETHIN' CAN BE DISPUTED AND UP FOR DEBATE, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY CAUSE SOMEBODY ALWAYS gONNA MENTALLY BREAKDOWN SOMETHIN' DIFFERENTLY IN THEY MIND THAN ME. BUT IF YOU SHOW ME SOMETHIN' TO BE FALSE, WITHOUT A DOUBT, THEN I HAVE NO OTHA CHOICE BUT TO LOOK AT WHAT'S PRESENTED?

You various attributes of faith and logic mixed up.

 

[Blight]

im gettin so tired right now, i wanna just go to the direct root of instincts.

SURVIVAL.

Even from one celled organisms. Herbavore cells were in need of motivation to keep from being eaten. Directions to fight or flight became instincly passes down. Same with carnivores, the fear of dying without being able to compete gave birth to their instincts.

I do feel that a deer (hunted) has a different instinct type than a tiger (hunter).

 

[Deep Thought]

Instinct is hardwired into the nervous system at birth nowadays. If we were computers, instinct would be located in our "ROM".

 

[EDJ]

DEEP THOUgHT,
I AIN'T CONFUSIN' NOTHIN'. ALL I'M SAYIN' IS THAT I'M gONNA PUT FAITH ON SOMETHIN' THAT SEEMS TO BE TRUE AND LOgICAL.

BLIgHT,

WHERE ARE THESE FACTS FROM? HOW ARE YOU SO SURE?

 

[Deep Thought]

I'll give you that A TYPE of faith can come from logical conclusions. It's called "calculated faith". Raw "faith" it is not. However, I beg to differ that logic in any form can evolve from "faith". It's apples and oranges bro. You don't seem to get that.

 

[EDJ]

I DID NOT SAY LOgIC EVOLVES FROM FAITH. LOgIC COMES FROM STUDY AND RESEARCH. FAITH COMES FROM YOU BELIEVIN' WHAT IS STUDIED TO BE TRUE.

 

[Blight]

This is like a fuckin chat room tonight!

I learned a lot of stuff from being a biology major for 2 years.

Its fact according to science as you derive facts from your faith.

 

[Deep Thought]

Originally posted by EDJ I DID NOT SAY LOgIC EVOLVES FROM FAITH.

Originally posted by EDJ ENDER,
THAT'S EVEN WORSER IF YOU JUST MAKIN' SHIT UP. AIN'T NO BASIS FOR THE LOgIC. UNLESS THE LOgIC WAS BASED ON SOME DIVINE SOURCE.

Contradiction?

 

[Deep Thought]

Re: This is like a fuckin chat room tonight!

Its fact according to science as you derive facts from your faith.

I dissagree. Isn't that merely testing theories? Bwhahahahah! One of us should just crack a dictionary or something.

 

[Blight]

Lol

Testing theories and having tangeable evidence creates scientific belief. It is real.

 

[EDJ]

DEEP THOUgHT,
WHAT I BELIEVE COMES FROM A DIVINE SOURCE IS INFORMATION FOUND IN THE SCRIPTURES. AND THAT IS HIgHLY LOgICAL. WHETHER I DECIDE TO PUT MY FAITH ON IT OR NOT IS UP TO ME.

 

[Deep Thought]

Blight, I'll see your "scientific belief' is a form of faith", and raise you a "true faith lives in absence of tangible proof (or even proof against for that matter)". How's zat? :classic:

EDJ, when walking on water and raising the dead become "logical" give me a call.

 

[Blight]

Like you find a skeleton form an animal and comare it to a different skeleton. You see the ways their bones had evolved to adapt to its certain environment. Now you have information and examples.

You find out chemical changes produce certain reactions. You document it and it is a fact.

Weather you call it a faith or not, its real stuff you can see, touch, recreate. Its Science.

 

[Deep Thought]

Agreed.