Thread about democracy/republic ???

[HERESY]

Get rid of the Constitution? This is what gives us Freedom as a country (Bill of Rights and the rest of the amendments except the 16th) even though are freedoms are getting taken away.

Yes, get rid of the constitution. No, it is is not what gives us freedom as a country. You are a free person regardless of what you say, or what a piece of paper says, and it is simply a set of laws, rules and regulations designed to protect the interest of satus quo.

My opinion is we have a great system, we just have to figure out how to get honest politicians into office.

You are entitled to your opinion, but facts show we don't have a great system. There is no reason for figuring out a way to get honest politicians in office--do away with the system, start over and go from there.

As in?

As in eliminating article 1 and anything else that will preserve the hegemony.

It is a living document, its just some things are being put on halt which is getting me frustrated.

There are millions who disagree with it being a living document, but whatever. Why is it that things being put on halt are frustrating you?

Even if Socialism or Communism were an option, thats just a threat to our freedoms as a country.

With this very line you've proven that you know nothing about socialism or communism.

So you would rather have a Authoritarian (Autocracy or Oligarchy) run a country instead of the 3 powers we have? You just contradicted yourself.

I never said I would rather have an Authoritarian run country. I never implied an autocracy or oligarchy as neither of these properly fit in the confines of socialism, communism and my belief that each man is accountable for himself. What this also means is your claim that I "just contradicted myself" is completely unfounded, a waste of time on your part, a waste of time on my part for having to explain this to you, and a waste of this sites bandwidth.

The point in our System is that we elect people into office so they can make our wishes in government known. But thats not what's happening now.

There is no logical need to go through a middle man. There is no logical reason to make your wish known to the government, because you are supposed to be the government. What you're suggesting is to actually stay in servitude.

Right now neo-conservatives run the Republican Party and they are doing their best to keep it that way (ie: Nevada State Convention)

So? Ultra-Liberals, or whatever they are called today, run the democratic party. However, both parties have seats with the CFR, TLC, and grovel before AIPAC so what does it matter?

If we had real Conservatives with a little Libertarian views, our country can change.

You're flopping like a fish out of water.

Kick those people out or vote new ones in.

How does this answer what you quoted?

Do you agree with me that everything basically changed quickly right after WW2 when the US just kept its troops in other countries and never brought them home?

No, how does this answer what you quoted?

We can't be an Empire and a Sovereign nation. It's a bad combo.

A combo you actually endorse when you say conservatives with little libertarian views can change this country.

That's the only way, unless you want another Revolution

So in other words remain in bondage and repeat a causality loop for another two hundred years????

Trying your best to keep them running by giving them funds or by doing your own propaganda.

Trying your best does not always yield the best results. In fact, in some cases, it yields no results. And by "doing your own propaganda", you set the stage for being just like every other politician who uses propaganda while forgetting about the issues and the people.

Wtf?

R-E-A-D what I typed again S-L-O-W-L-Y.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

Kick those people out or vote new ones in.

the problem isnt the people, but what ENABLED such people to have control.
the same way drugs arent the cause of the addicts problems, but instead what caused him to do drugs.

if the main cause of things is still there, the effect will manifest in one way or another.

 

[BLOWBACK]

Yes, get rid of the constitution. No, it is is not what gives us freedom as a country. You are a free person regardless of what you say, or what a piece of paper says, and it is simply a set of laws, rules and regulations designed to protect the interest of satus quo.

It's the Supreme Law of the land how can it not give us freedom?

Yes you can be a free person, but you have to have limits on what government can do and the Constitution promises us that.

That's bullshit. To protect the interest of the status quo? where's your proof on that?

The Constitution is to govern the government, not the people.

You are entitled to your opinion, but facts show we don't have a great system. There is no reason for figuring out a way to get honest politicians in office--do away with the system, start over and go from there.

Facts?

I'm sticking to what I said.

As in eliminating article 1 and anything else that will preserve the hegemony.

The only hegemony I see is the Empire we have in this world.

Preserve? Last time I read the Constitution we get to re-elect/elect anyone into Congress. It's OUR choice. But if WE keep voting in Congress that is down with the Status Quo, then yes you can say it's being preserved.

There are millions who disagree with it being a living document, but whatever. Why is it that things being put on halt are frustrating you?

I'm not one of those millions.

Why does it frustrate me? Because the current government is passing laws that will take our Freedoms away. ie: Patriot Act II, FISA Amendments Act of 2008.

The Founding Fathers did not sacrifice themselves to give us freedom to just toss that shit away.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."-Benjamin Franklin

With this very line you've proven that you know nothing about socialism or communism.

Do you believe in Self-Responsibility?

I never said I would rather have an Authoritarian run country. I never implied an autocracy or oligarchy as neither of these properly fit in the confines of socialism, communism and my belief that each man is accountable for himself. What this also means is your claim that I "just contradicted myself" is completely unfounded, a waste of time on your part, a waste of time on my part for having to explain this to you, and a waste of this sites bandwidth.

You said you believe "each man is accountable for himself" how can this fit in a socialist/communist country?

There is no logical need to go through a middle man. There is no logical reason to make your wish known to the government, because you are supposed to be the government. What you're suggesting is to actually stay in servitude.

Thats how our system works, unless you want to get towards a Democracy where 51% beats the 49%.

So? Ultra-Liberals, or whatever they are called today, run the democratic party. However, both parties have seats with the CFR, TLC, and grovel before AIPAC so what does it matter?

It matters that its a lose-lose situation. Things need to change.

You're flopping like a fish out of water.

Then what would be better?

How does this answer what you quoted?

It makes perfect sense.

No, how does this answer what you quoted?

Look you're saying its hard for something to change so easily, but what I was saying is our Sovereignty as a nation has gone down since WW2 when this government kept its troops around the world to make an Empire. 130 Countries, 700 bases. This is the 1st thing that has to be changed.

A combo you actually endorse when you say conservatives with little libertarian views can change this country.

What do you suggest?

So in other words remain in bondage and repeat a causality loop for another two hundred years????

What bondage?

Trying your best does not always yield the best results. In fact, in some cases, it yields no results. And by "doing your own propaganda", you set the stage for being just like every other politician who uses propaganda while forgetting about the issues and the people.

The Propaganda would be for the people on their issues.

R-E-A-D what I typed again S-L-O-W-L-Y.

I read it perfectly

Here learn more on this issue in Nevada before you speak on it.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

^ it might be a "supreme" law, but as long as man made it, it is flawed, limiting, and demoting the value of existance as a whole, and in the end is anything but supreme.

 

[BLOWBACK]

^ it might be a "supreme" law, but as long as man made it, it is flawed, limiting, and demoting the value of existance as a whole, and in the end is anything but supreme.

Have you read it?

 

[SeriouslyThug]

yes, and it is beautifully written.
But as you look around you , it is obviously still flawed and incomparible to any real way that the people should live their lives.

 

[BLOWBACK]

yes, and it is beautifully written.
But as you look around you , it is obviously still flawed and incomparible to any real way that the people should live their lives.

It was written to control the government not the people.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

It was written to control the government not the people.

and unfortunately the government wasnt controlled. Sounds like something is lacking from it.

 

[BLOWBACK]

and unfortunately the government wasnt controlled. Sounds like something is lacking from it.

This is why there needs to be major changes in our current leaders.

They are supposed to be working for us and not themselves or special interest.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

you arent understanding that the cause of those leaders being put in charge is a flawed constitution

 

[BLOWBACK]

you arent understanding that the cause of those leaders being put in charge is a flawed constitution

Read the quote i posted, here

Anyone can get voted in and fuck it up, but it takes US to fix it.

"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature.... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation ... it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces."
James Garfield, the twentieth president of the United States, 1877

 

[SeriouslyThug]

Read the quote i posted, here

Anyone can get voted in and fuck it up, but it takes US to fix it.

"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature.... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation ... it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces."
James Garfield, the twentieth president of the United States, 1877

"Anyone can get voted in and fuck it up, but it takes US to fix it. "
my point proven.


and @ the quote, do you not see the relation between the governing power and the dictation of the peoples standards? as in, dont you think those in power are the ones who set the direction of the people, gain the control of media outlets, and dictate what the peoples standards and limits are?



if the people are being told to believe everything is all dandy, while the government is secretly tweaking the rule of the land to the point where when the people finally wake up they cant do shit, then the rule of land is flawed.

 

[HERESY]

It's the Supreme Law of the land how can it not give us freedom?

It is not the supreme law of the land. In fact, there is no such thing as supreme law of the land as it is something someone simply invented. A piece of paper does not give you any freedom. You are already free.

Yes you can be a free person, but you have to have limits on what government can do and the Constitution promises us that.

Promises are made to be broken, and placing limits on the government does not equate to your freedom.

That's bullshit. To protect the interest of the status quo? where's your proof on that?

No it isn't bullshit. Why would you call something bullshit and then ask for proof? Proof is in history.

The Constitution is to govern the government, not the people.

Just a minute ago you said it was to give us freedom so which is it?

Facts?

I'm sticking to what I said.

You can stick to what you said. However, that does not erase the FACT that this system is not great (which is actually your opinion.)

The only hegemony I see is the Empire we have in this world.

This makes no sense at all.

Preserve? Last time I read the Constitution we get to re-elect/elect anyone into Congress. It's OUR choice. But if WE keep voting in Congress that is down with the Status Quo, then yes you can say it's being preserved.

Like a fish out of water...

I'm not one of those millions.

You're the only one who cares if you are or aren't.

Why does it frustrate me? Because the current government is passing laws that will take our Freedoms away. ie: Patriot Act II, FISA Amendments Act of 2008.

How did they get in office?

The Founding Fathers did not sacrifice themselves to give us freedom to just toss that shit away.

There is no such group called, "The Founding Fathers", nor has such a group given me any freedom by sacrificing anything.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."-Benjamin Franklin

This is exactly what you suggest we do.

Do you believe in Self-Responsibility?

What I believe in has already been stated.

You said you believe "each man is accountable for himself" how can this fit in a socialist/communist country?

Google the terms for yourself and you will see how.

Thats how our system works, unless you want to get towards a Democracy where 51% beats the 49%.

Constantly typing, "thats how our system works" does not make the system right.

It matters that its a lose-lose situation. Things need to change.

By voting...

Then what would be better?

I've already said what would be better.

Look you're saying its hard for something to change so easily, but what I was saying is our Sovereignty as a nation has gone down since WW2 when this government kept its troops around the world to make an Empire. 130 Countries, 700 bases. This is the 1st thing that has to be changed.

This is imperialism. Which is directly linked to capitalism, which is ultimately sanctioned by the constitution and status quo.

What do you suggest?

I've already said what would be better.

It makes perfect sense.

Only to you.

What bondage?

The bondage caused by this system. Capitalism, imperialism, and fables and dreams promoted by bureaucratic parasites.

The Propaganda would be for the people on their issues.

Again, like a fish out of water...

I read it perfectly

Sure you did.

Here learn more on this issue in Nevada before you speak on it.

I'll pass on the video. There are several things you need to learn about before you speak on them, however I'm not in the mood where I feel like pointing them out. However, at this time, they should be quite obvious if you read S-L-O-W-L-Y.

In short, you've lost your premise when you said the majority are for the wealthy and corruption, and you further muddled your position by implying a change of time and voter consciousness would alleviate a significant portion of the problems present within our political/government infrastructure.

 

[HERESY]

"Anyone can get voted in and fuck it up, but it takes US to fix it. "
my point proven.


if the people are being told to believe everything is all dandy, while the government is secretly tweaking the rule of the land to the point where when the people finally wake up they cant do shit, then the rule of land is flawed.

The bold text is something he does not comprehend, and does not want to comprehend, even though he says, "...the current government is passing laws that will take our Freedoms away. ie: Patriot Act II, FISA Amendments Act of 2008. "



Also, very few new people come directly to this forum and post, so I bet this is someone we know.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

see our problem as a society is that what makes somebody a professional, or a lawmaker, or be in control, is somebody that measures up to what the system wants. So the only people who are gaining power to cause change, are the people who will re-establish the agenda of the current system.

people are taking what mofos thought was the way to run the country and world from hundreds of years ago with their priorities and issues, and building off of that rather than upgrading the whole system and make it suitable for the ever evolving situations that we will inevitably face.

the social evolution will happen no matter what, and if the whole system isnt evolving with it, then the evolution will surpass the state, and the state will become meaningless.


humanity should be guided by its evolution rather than limited by a prior state of existance, with prior goals, problems, and motivations.

 

[synical dj]

the messiah is here to solve all the problems of the world

 

[ColdBlooded]

"This country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years doesn't mean a fucking thing."

Voting in its most basic form is an endorsement of the status quo. Believing your vote can change anything is to buy into one of the greatest, if not the single greatest, con jobs in the history of man.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

"This country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years doesn't mean a fucking thing."

Voting in its most basic form is an endorsement of the status quo. Believing your vote can change anything is to buy into one of the greatest, if not the single greatest, con jobs in the history of man.

Do you vote?

 

[ColdBlooded]

Do you vote?

No.

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Humans are inherently flawed to the point that we will create our own destruction.

We require control, but we can't control ourselves.