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I just fuckin' type. I don't really think about it. I type 'yer' instead of you're or your, probably because it's easier to type. I don't really care enough about a message board to type extra proper or extra jetto... I just type. I think yer real corny if you sit down and TRY to type all jetto about yourself, but then again, I think a lot of people are plain corny. Then again, I also think people are corny for typing out LOL and shit like that... but fuck it, you know?
La la la...yous a fuckin fool blood.
Rolph st. Lakeview bro...San Fran ain't that far from you. Actually fuck that I'll go to San Bruno and make it easier for you.
But what's your point I'm scared? Scared of what? Some dude off the internet come to beat my ass? What you bout to do, blast me? lmao.
You said you're married with a wife...that's some pretty childish shit for a man with family. If you feel you absolutely have to we can have a discussion face to face...but I got off that shit already. For a grown man who says he spittin knowledge you actin like a youngster on here.
Rolph st. Lakeview bro...San Fran ain't that far from you. Actually fuck that I'll go to San Bruno and make it easier for you.
But what's your point I'm scared? Scared of what? Some dude off the internet come to beat my ass? What you bout to do, blast me? lmao.
You said you're married with a wife...that's some pretty childish shit for a man with family. If you feel you absolutely have to we can have a discussion face to face...but I got off that shit already. For a grown man who says he spittin knowledge you actin like a youngster on here.
You don't know me in person, and just like net arguments is bullshit, net judgements are the same.
What you call "cowardice" and "chasing tail" is how we do it here. What you say gets checked, especially if you contradict yourself. Don't be runnin off shit that you can't be consistent on if you don't like it.
What you call "cowardice" and "chasing tail" is how we do it here. What you say gets checked, especially if you contradict yourself. Don't be runnin off shit that you can't be consistent on if you don't like it.
Why exactly did you attack dude about his post? He didn't say it was corny to type proper. He was talkin about the Yo, Dis, fucc, type people.
He's got a good point. Sometimes when I'm talking to someone or typing a quick response to a post I use things like "yer" dunno" just because it's faster and I'm typing fast. It has nothing to do with my education. They are really no different that any other contraction in the english language, they were mostly likey just formed on the internet.
There was a point when I would type with screwed up grammar, but a time came when I realized I needed to practice good grammar, and for good reasons. Since I started college I felt it was best that I do this and since I did, I have been much more compitent with my essays and reports, even my vocabulary has reached new heights. I'll tell you this much, though, since I started doing it by posting long discussions - especially in this forum - I have learned more then I did in all 3 years of highschool. I practice good grammar for school and for future jobs that would require me to do so.
I hardley talk anything like I type off the internet. My real speech is full of "slang".
Do you believe that people who are subject to these cultural elements have the right to "complain" about not having anything, even when they talk this way knowing full well it will be rejected in most professional work environments?
I hardley talk anything like I type off the internet. My real speech is full of "slang".
Do you believe that people who are subject to these cultural elements have the right to "complain" about not having anything, even when they talk this way knowing full well it will be rejected in most professional work environments?
Net-bonics lmao. I guess. But it's not really trying to type a certain way its just trying to get your point across faster than typing out everything perfectly.
Actually I think my real speech is a lot different than I type as well. My typing is I'm sure a lot more proper than my speech due to having to type numerous reports for college english classes. That still doesn't keep me from contracting words when I'm typing say in an IM to someone or a quick email. It's kinda the same as using WTF and LOL type deals.
Partially, I believe you are right, yet there is a split in our beliefs that should be enunciated. People who are raised in a complete environment of ebonics/slang/etc often have never heard professional speech, or even heard enough to go on in terms of an example to work from. Case point: often in interactions with black people, (both adults and kids) who get asked a question, talked to, etc. by me, in mid-conversation, their phrasing/tone of voice instantly changes to address me.
"Nigga hell nah" to a friend becomes "I'm not sure" as they attempt to bridge the perceived gap between black and white speech. I see the same phenomenon when white people address black people and attempt to put some amount of "slang" in their voice. Once a nerdy ass old white guy loaned a black kid who was short some money for the bus. After the kid thanked the men, he replied "Dont trip"...and in a way it was obvious he wasn't that comfortable with the phrase. My pops, who speaks Spanish, goes into his little "Spanglish" accent often when talking to Hispanics.
You see this in white kids trying to be down who truly did not come from ghetto situations...their use of slang and vocal approach is *kinda* like black people talk, but it still misses the mark. They seem kinda hood, but you can tell they stop short. In the same way, a black kid from abject poverty, who is and was never exposed to proper speech, is going to fall short of the mark in trying to sound professional, and instead of being possibly laughed at, (as the old white man was) will simply not attempt it.
There was an interesting study of young black children in detroit with difficulty in school. Poor children (especially black children, who are disproportionately poor) get read to less by their parents growing up. They are also often disciplined less, as single-parent black households are extremely common. They learn to act in their boundaries just far enough before they get in trouble. Often, black parents use the TV as a babysitter (A fact obviously true not just in black families).
We've all heard of the concept of poor children having to raise themselves or having to grow up fast. This is in part due to adrenaline and other "survival" hormones produced by children dealing with stressful or dangerous situations. A side effect of this chemical production is the faster "maturing" of the brain...leading to a stunted ability for the brain to develop in areas dealing with knowledge and intellect. Basically, if a kid has to worry about survival, food, an abusive parent, etc., the brain "grows up fast" to cope...and what gets sacrificed is the necessary slow growth of the section of the brain dealing with intellect and a child's ability to learn without distractions.
Children entering school having never been read to have a harder time associating letters and words with concepts (which, believe it or not, is a skill). Children who watch mass amounts of TV tend to have more attention and behavioral problems stemming from the fact that it's harder to keep them interested. In addition, children with behavioral problems tend to gravitate towards other children with the same type of problems. Furthermore, black kids tend to find cultural commonalities in other black kids to bond with.
Put this together, and you have a cocktail for a group of kids fundamentally behind the rest of the class. Fast forward to high school, and it becomes a group that is not interested in proper speech, mathematics, or any other school consideration. These kids have been discouraged while attempting to learn, feel "stupid", "inadequate", etc., and take the safe route, hanging out with other poor kids, or other black kids, who speak and act the same way they do.
You make it sound like it's a choice of black people and others who grew up poor to speak poorly and come off unprofessionally. I'd say it's the opposite. They don't know any other way, and the easy way (and what seems the most logical choice) is to stay within the boundaries of what they know.
"Nigga hell nah" to a friend becomes "I'm not sure" as they attempt to bridge the perceived gap between black and white speech. I see the same phenomenon when white people address black people and attempt to put some amount of "slang" in their voice. Once a nerdy ass old white guy loaned a black kid who was short some money for the bus. After the kid thanked the men, he replied "Dont trip"...and in a way it was obvious he wasn't that comfortable with the phrase. My pops, who speaks Spanish, goes into his little "Spanglish" accent often when talking to Hispanics.
You see this in white kids trying to be down who truly did not come from ghetto situations...their use of slang and vocal approach is *kinda* like black people talk, but it still misses the mark. They seem kinda hood, but you can tell they stop short. In the same way, a black kid from abject poverty, who is and was never exposed to proper speech, is going to fall short of the mark in trying to sound professional, and instead of being possibly laughed at, (as the old white man was) will simply not attempt it.
There was an interesting study of young black children in detroit with difficulty in school. Poor children (especially black children, who are disproportionately poor) get read to less by their parents growing up. They are also often disciplined less, as single-parent black households are extremely common. They learn to act in their boundaries just far enough before they get in trouble. Often, black parents use the TV as a babysitter (A fact obviously true not just in black families).
We've all heard of the concept of poor children having to raise themselves or having to grow up fast. This is in part due to adrenaline and other "survival" hormones produced by children dealing with stressful or dangerous situations. A side effect of this chemical production is the faster "maturing" of the brain...leading to a stunted ability for the brain to develop in areas dealing with knowledge and intellect. Basically, if a kid has to worry about survival, food, an abusive parent, etc., the brain "grows up fast" to cope...and what gets sacrificed is the necessary slow growth of the section of the brain dealing with intellect and a child's ability to learn without distractions.
Children entering school having never been read to have a harder time associating letters and words with concepts (which, believe it or not, is a skill). Children who watch mass amounts of TV tend to have more attention and behavioral problems stemming from the fact that it's harder to keep them interested. In addition, children with behavioral problems tend to gravitate towards other children with the same type of problems. Furthermore, black kids tend to find cultural commonalities in other black kids to bond with.
Put this together, and you have a cocktail for a group of kids fundamentally behind the rest of the class. Fast forward to high school, and it becomes a group that is not interested in proper speech, mathematics, or any other school consideration. These kids have been discouraged while attempting to learn, feel "stupid", "inadequate", etc., and take the safe route, hanging out with other poor kids, or other black kids, who speak and act the same way they do.
You make it sound like it's a choice of black people and others who grew up poor to speak poorly and come off unprofessionally. I'd say it's the opposite. They don't know any other way, and the easy way (and what seems the most logical choice) is to stay within the boundaries of what they know.
What about when those "boundaries" become blurred? Like in the "Hip-Hopafication" of TV and mainstream media. How do you tell those kids that their speech patterns are unprofessional, and yet all they see are ads and shows using slang, and rap beats? And, on top of that most of the role models for young black males, are young black males, sayin the same shit, and making big loot...so I could imagine that it would be next to impossible to convince a young mind that, "if you want to be successful you have to speak like this." Especially when they are bombarded on a day to day basis with images saying the opposite. Granted that those success stories are few and far between, but the TV leaves that part out.
You say that they "often have never heard professional speech", but you leave no point in time to which this lack of interaction with professionalism ends, because I find it hard to believe that a grown adult has lived his entire life not knowing the traits of "professionalism". Even though peer to peer influence may be the greatest we know for adolescent youth, these kids have still been in some type of schooling system, and unless their teachers are all speaking in ebonics, the kids should have an understanding of "professional" speaking (i.e. English classes). I understand that elementary school teachers in downtrodden neighborhoods are not exactly professors at Yale, but as long as they can show kids a "professional" side (which I'm sure they do) it should be sufficient. So this is why I bring up the issue of whether someone can be held accountable for their own well being simply by having an understanding for what it takes to be successful. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not saying it's equal, I'm just saying that it is not as difficult as one might believe. I'll tell you this much, the way I talk to my boss, and the way I speak to my friends... not even close.
Two words, Carson Daily. In my expierences whites tend to change their speech patterns around blacks to simply feel accepted by that individual, while on the other hand, blacks tend to change when they feel respected or the situation calls for it (for instance, a serious matter, possibly involving authorities), at which point they show the same "gratitude". I hardley ever see a black man talk "professional" to another white person for any other reason unless they are making fun of them, or if it is in their nature.
It makes me sick to watch cats like this. You can tell the difference because with white people it's almost like they are talking in a fake accent and being extremely melodramatic. Gangbangin in Littlerock anyone?
And this is where some of "us" get caught in blaming the opressed.
But I'm not going to stray from the topic.
Interesting.
I think the difference may be in how we (each individual in society) interpret professionalism. You and I may look at it simply for what it is, professionalism, a way of practicing business for success, being a professional person; while some kids in deprived neighborhoods grow up thinking that "professionalism" is just a twisted way of saying "whiteism", something they want no part of, seeing as how it is "whiteism" who is depriving them. I know that myself, and I'm sure you can relate to this, when you watch a black comedian on stage making fun of "white" people, you say to yourself, "wow, I didn't know white people sounded like that" because in actuality, we sound nothing like that. What they are making fun of is "proper" english, or "professional" speech with a high pitch tone thrown in. Personally, I have never seen a white guy talk like when a black man making is fun of one. Knowing this, what does it say about how black people interpret professionalism?
I understand that growing up they don't have much of a choice, but sooner or later one has to realize, regardless of how poor or uneducated they are, that it is a different world outside of where they live. Through filing job applications, watching television, conversing with others, and schooling, one would have to at least understand what professionalism is. I don't believe ebonics, or slang, is an "accent" that can't be altered or changed at any point in time with a little effort.
Two words, Carson Daily. In my expierences whites tend to change their speech patterns around blacks to simply feel accepted by that individual, while on the other hand, blacks tend to change when they feel respected or the situation calls for it (for instance, a serious matter, possibly involving authorities), at which point they show the same "gratitude". I hardley ever see a black man talk "professional" to another white person for any other reason unless they are making fun of them, or if it is in their nature.
It makes me sick to watch cats like this. You can tell the difference because with white people it's almost like they are talking in a fake accent and being extremely melodramatic. Gangbangin in Littlerock anyone?
And this is where some of "us" get caught in blaming the opressed.
But I'm not going to stray from the topic.
Interesting.
I think the difference may be in how we (each individual in society) interpret professionalism. You and I may look at it simply for what it is, professionalism, a way of practicing business for success, being a professional person; while some kids in deprived neighborhoods grow up thinking that "professionalism" is just a twisted way of saying "whiteism", something they want no part of, seeing as how it is "whiteism" who is depriving them. I know that myself, and I'm sure you can relate to this, when you watch a black comedian on stage making fun of "white" people, you say to yourself, "wow, I didn't know white people sounded like that" because in actuality, we sound nothing like that. What they are making fun of is "proper" english, or "professional" speech with a high pitch tone thrown in. Personally, I have never seen a white guy talk like when a black man making is fun of one. Knowing this, what does it say about how black people interpret professionalism?
I understand that growing up they don't have much of a choice, but sooner or later one has to realize, regardless of how poor or uneducated they are, that it is a different world outside of where they live. Through filing job applications, watching television, conversing with others, and schooling, one would have to at least understand what professionalism is. I don't believe ebonics, or slang, is an "accent" that can't be altered or changed at any point in time with a little effort.
Yeah, yer right. You must know me real well, I could go for some Chik'n N' Biskits right now... I'd prolly order a lil' extra Gravy and Taters to go with it too... mmmm. You buy, I'll fly - you down for some wings or something?
Jello is bomb too, it's usually the best on the side of an All-You-Can-Eat Skipper's platter, right between the Coleslaw and the TarTar.
What the fuck do you care how somebody types? Is it that hard to decipher... if it is, than fuck - live with it, it's the damn intranet for god's sake. Maybe one day 'yer' will be defined in the dictionary and I'll have gone from being lazy to being a revolutionist - it's that simple. Life is how you live it, if typing all 'Slangsta-fied' makes yer cock throb, than do it.
But god forbid you come between me and a 2-piece.
Jello is bomb too, it's usually the best on the side of an All-You-Can-Eat Skipper's platter, right between the Coleslaw and the TarTar.
What the fuck do you care how somebody types? Is it that hard to decipher... if it is, than fuck - live with it, it's the damn intranet for god's sake. Maybe one day 'yer' will be defined in the dictionary and I'll have gone from being lazy to being a revolutionist - it's that simple. Life is how you live it, if typing all 'Slangsta-fied' makes yer cock throb, than do it.
But god forbid you come between me and a 2-piece.