This could produce the biggest scientific breakthroughs ever found....
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And here for the gathering of minds, i have been diligent after i read the harrowing autobiography of lordbyron. it really got me thinking and caring about my fellow human. i mean, i am assuming he/she is a real person, and when faced with a potential discovery of that little gem of truth, are we really so emotionally scarred that we resort to entering conversations about science only to point out how pointless it is, and then admit we dont know the point of it?!?!? cowering in the face of truths and resorting to yo mama jokes, star trek quips, and delusions of sailing off into the sunset, as if the sunset was an actual place we could go.
We look down on those and denegrate those looking for facts, and appeal to the "common folk"? We make the jump from "i dont want to know" to "they are evil and will mess things up"? how did it come to this? how does a slave come to praise his master while dreaming of a better tomorrow and rejecting attempts by people thousans of miles away to set him free? Well, in fact, it has always been like this. “I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.” -Harriet Tubman. it might be too late for little byron, but its not too late for you GOM. We are a band of people drawn here out of our interest in rap music, but ive learned quite a bit on here on a range of topics whether from others, or introspection, so as i withdraw myself from these fruitful topics i will try to leave a bit of perspective.
But first, in order to think it, LHC, is going to fail, or in order to think its pointless, shouldnt you know its point? or its objectives? what is the objective or the point of a ship going into uncharted waters? what was the point of looking at the stars in awe? what was the point of people migrating out of africa and populating the planet? these things dont serve humanity, they define what it is to be human. Its not just about what answers we may find, but why we have the questions in the first place.
But we like concrete answers, boxed answers, and multiple choice, so here are some provided: http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/WhyLHC-en.html
if you are so inclined that will answer most of the questions, give you a thorough review of physics, and discuss the implications of the fundamentals of your being. you may have questions, but it will probably leave you with more and more, that is the nature of that blasphemous science.
too lazy to click?
So finally on to my point, for those that think this 6 billion dollar (holy shit thats a lot of money, we could feed all the poor with that!!!!!!)endeavor in works for over 2 decades (lets say 300M per year) into looking behind the curtain (we dont know what about 96% of the universe is even made of) and potentially helping find out what we are, and where we came from, is a waste and that it somehow is depriving humanity, rather than trying to nourish it, here is a little perspective.
First for those saying we need more money to help each other. How much would you like? Ask yourself how much money, 10 billion? 50 bill? 100 bill? I suspect your only answer will be "more". Well, it seems we spent over 1 trillion, with a T, 1,000,000,000,000.00 in fiscal year 2000 alone on domestic social programs (according to US census). Mars Co. bought Wrigley for 23 billion (chewing gum). Las Vegas turns a revenue over 1 billion a year, and its not even the biggest gambling spot in the world (macau is). Perfume is over 15 billion a year industry globally, 38 billion for hair care products, Americans spend over 1.9 billion per year on Halloween candy, followed closely by 1.7 billion for easter candy. We spend over 10 billion going to movies, 11 billion on video games, another 10 billion a year on music, per year. And yes common folks, according to BusinessWeek, we will spend over 50 billion, $50,000,000,000.00 on our pets in the year 2009 in the US alone. Dont let them trick you.
Now this thing may "fail", and if you look at the nature of discovery and search you will know that is the fate of most attempts at discovery. But I and other warped (1984 doublespeak) individuals will gladly have this piece of shit fail 10 times, 1000 times over.
Cause to me, the pursuit of knowledge, truth, fact, that belongs to all of us, is worth it in itself, its worth more than illusions, worth more than you dressing your dog up in little human outfits pretending its your friend or child, worth more than going to see Batman (i will see it, lol) at the theater pretending you are a guy (actor) who is pretending he is a guy (bruce wayne) who pretends he is a guy(batman) who pretends he is a bat, putting in your hair cream pretending thats how you look, painting your girlfriends face pretending shes that pretty and young, handing out candy pretending thats what will help secure your place in heaven, betting $100 on 24 red pretending you are a high roller, spending money while fantasizing that you are making it, and generally trying to keep yourself entertained and numb as long and as often as you can while you wait to die, cause then you can have jebus answer all your questions in his cloud castle, all while calling science a waste and pretending you give a fuck about humanity.
There aren't many things more selfish.
We look down on those and denegrate those looking for facts, and appeal to the "common folk"? We make the jump from "i dont want to know" to "they are evil and will mess things up"? how did it come to this? how does a slave come to praise his master while dreaming of a better tomorrow and rejecting attempts by people thousans of miles away to set him free? Well, in fact, it has always been like this. “I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.” -Harriet Tubman. it might be too late for little byron, but its not too late for you GOM. We are a band of people drawn here out of our interest in rap music, but ive learned quite a bit on here on a range of topics whether from others, or introspection, so as i withdraw myself from these fruitful topics i will try to leave a bit of perspective.
But first, in order to think it, LHC, is going to fail, or in order to think its pointless, shouldnt you know its point? or its objectives? what is the objective or the point of a ship going into uncharted waters? what was the point of looking at the stars in awe? what was the point of people migrating out of africa and populating the planet? these things dont serve humanity, they define what it is to be human. Its not just about what answers we may find, but why we have the questions in the first place.
But we like concrete answers, boxed answers, and multiple choice, so here are some provided: http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/WhyLHC-en.html
if you are so inclined that will answer most of the questions, give you a thorough review of physics, and discuss the implications of the fundamentals of your being. you may have questions, but it will probably leave you with more and more, that is the nature of that blasphemous science.
too lazy to click?
So finally on to my point, for those that think this 6 billion dollar (holy shit thats a lot of money, we could feed all the poor with that!!!!!!)endeavor in works for over 2 decades (lets say 300M per year) into looking behind the curtain (we dont know what about 96% of the universe is even made of) and potentially helping find out what we are, and where we came from, is a waste and that it somehow is depriving humanity, rather than trying to nourish it, here is a little perspective.
First for those saying we need more money to help each other. How much would you like? Ask yourself how much money, 10 billion? 50 bill? 100 bill? I suspect your only answer will be "more". Well, it seems we spent over 1 trillion, with a T, 1,000,000,000,000.00 in fiscal year 2000 alone on domestic social programs (according to US census). Mars Co. bought Wrigley for 23 billion (chewing gum). Las Vegas turns a revenue over 1 billion a year, and its not even the biggest gambling spot in the world (macau is). Perfume is over 15 billion a year industry globally, 38 billion for hair care products, Americans spend over 1.9 billion per year on Halloween candy, followed closely by 1.7 billion for easter candy. We spend over 10 billion going to movies, 11 billion on video games, another 10 billion a year on music, per year. And yes common folks, according to BusinessWeek, we will spend over 50 billion, $50,000,000,000.00 on our pets in the year 2009 in the US alone. Dont let them trick you.
Now this thing may "fail", and if you look at the nature of discovery and search you will know that is the fate of most attempts at discovery. But I and other warped (1984 doublespeak) individuals will gladly have this piece of shit fail 10 times, 1000 times over.
Cause to me, the pursuit of knowledge, truth, fact, that belongs to all of us, is worth it in itself, its worth more than illusions, worth more than you dressing your dog up in little human outfits pretending its your friend or child, worth more than going to see Batman (i will see it, lol) at the theater pretending you are a guy (actor) who is pretending he is a guy (bruce wayne) who pretends he is a guy(batman) who pretends he is a bat, putting in your hair cream pretending thats how you look, painting your girlfriends face pretending shes that pretty and young, handing out candy pretending thats what will help secure your place in heaven, betting $100 on 24 red pretending you are a high roller, spending money while fantasizing that you are making it, and generally trying to keep yourself entertained and numb as long and as often as you can while you wait to die, cause then you can have jebus answer all your questions in his cloud castle, all while calling science a waste and pretending you give a fuck about humanity.
There aren't many things more selfish.
Quiet honestly it is needed research, and baby steps to understand a universe that apears infinite.
humans ( or our evolved specie) will not live on earth forever, in a billion years any possiable inhabitants will have to flee for our universe will have collided with andromeda.
What does that have to do with atoms? I may lead to knowellege of diminsions' energy and time/space/dimension travel hundred 1000's of years from now.
I do agree with solving social problems too
humans ( or our evolved specie) will not live on earth forever, in a billion years any possiable inhabitants will have to flee for our universe will have collided with andromeda.
What does that have to do with atoms? I may lead to knowellege of diminsions' energy and time/space/dimension travel hundred 1000's of years from now.
I do agree with solving social problems too
I think nhojsmith summed it up pretty well, so I'm not going to rehash everything he said.
I, for one, am excited to see what comes about from this. I don't think it's going to immediately produce massive revelations about time and space, but I think it's a worthwhile endeavor that is going to open doors of exploration and possibilities.
I, for one, am excited to see what comes about from this. I don't think it's going to immediately produce massive revelations about time and space, but I think it's a worthwhile endeavor that is going to open doors of exploration and possibilities.
How can you be a serious physicist and a lawyer in the same time??
Seriously though - there is absolutely no reason not to do the experiment; the chance of producing strangelets is very small so probably nothing will happen. And if it happens so it be, nobody will suffer at all, and anyway, when the whole point of our existence that one can think of is understanding the fundamentals of the universe, then the risk is 100% worth it
And I can only laugh at people saying that we have to invest the money in feeding the poor - if we had invested all the money that we have invested in feeding the poor (not to mention so many others mind-bogglingnly stupid things we spend huge amounts of money on) into science, there would be no poor to feed now; and that would be a good thing
Compare those 6 billions to the annual military expenses in the world - it's a 0.1% of them, no need to say more
Seriously though - there is absolutely no reason not to do the experiment; the chance of producing strangelets is very small so probably nothing will happen. And if it happens so it be, nobody will suffer at all, and anyway, when the whole point of our existence that one can think of is understanding the fundamentals of the universe, then the risk is 100% worth it
And I can only laugh at people saying that we have to invest the money in feeding the poor - if we had invested all the money that we have invested in feeding the poor (not to mention so many others mind-bogglingnly stupid things we spend huge amounts of money on) into science, there would be no poor to feed now; and that would be a good thing
Compare those 6 billions to the annual military expenses in the world - it's a 0.1% of them, no need to say more
