The science behind "hating"...

[Lamberto Quintero]

What about other tribes? Didnt they try and conquer territory of other indians? Ti may have nothing to do with ego, but everything to do with territorial instinct. TO say there was no fighting or desire to have more than what everyone else feels is "good enough" is a fallacy.

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Of course, when it came to other tribes, things are different because they all lived their lives differently and according to their own respective traditions.

Of course, when there were tribes who live differently and believed in different Gods and had different ideas of how the world functioned, there was tension and war. But my point is that within each tribe, there was NO competitiveness, but cooperation and a willingness to help out EVERY single member of the tribe.

 

[Sergeant Hustle]

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Of course, when there were tribes who live differently and believed in different Gods and had different ideas of how the world functioned, there was tension and war. But my point is that within each tribe, there was NO competitiveness, but cooperation and a willingness to help out EVERY single member of the tribe.

i refuse to believe that there was no competitiveness within tribes. people still want to be up on that chain of command or head of the hierarchy.

gangs like the bloods and crips are essentially modern-day tribes, but they are looked at as silly or wrong, when that's how people survived for years.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

gangs like the bloods and crips are essentially modern-day tribes, but they are looked at as silly or wrong, when that's how people survived for years.

"Modern day tribes" that are living in a dysfunctional society with values completely different from the days of old.

That is not how people survived for years, the human species has only survived this long because of working together.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

i refuse to believe that there was no competitiveness within tribes. people still want to be up on that chain of command or head of the hierarchy.

gangs like the bloods and crips are essentially modern-day tribes, but they are looked at as silly or wrong, when that's how people survived for years.

Why would you refuse to believe? It's not a question of faith.

Gangs like the crips and bloods are nothing like the tribes of pre-Columbus America, are you joking????

Within the tribes, there was a chief, but the chief wasn't given this position, he had to earn it. The most bad ass motherfucker of the tribe, the baddest warrior, HE would be the chief. I would suggest doing some research on how tribes functioned back then, both in government and in society.

When people are born into a tribe whose values are to live as communitarians and NOT as individuals, it results in zero competitiveness within the tribe, because people don't think in terms of "me" or "I". They think in terms of "us", and it seems "natural" to them just as it seems "natural" to people in our society that everyone should compete with eacother.

 

[Sergeant Hustle]

I'm playing devil's advocate here, to be honest. But do you not think there was competition on whom could become the baddest warrior and earn that slot? Do you not think there wasn't a single person that was salty because he wasn't top dog or inches away from getting that slot and got slighted? As long as there are hierarchies, there is some kind of competition for the top slots, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Sergeant Hustle]

"Modern day tribes" that are living in a dysfunctional society with values completely different from the days of old.

but isn't the instinct the same? survival under challenging circumstances?

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

I'm playing devil's advocate here, to be honest. But do you not think there was competition on whom could become the baddest warrior and earn that slot? Do you not think there wasn't a single person that was salty because he wasn't top dog or inches away from getting that slot and got slighted? As long as there are hierarchies, there is some kind of competition for the top slots, that's all I'm saying.

I can't say, I don't think anyone could unless they can go back in time and get into peoples' heads to see what they were thinking. What I can tell you is that a member of the tribe is loyal to the tribe first and foremost, so whatever is good for the tribe is what is good for every individual member. People didn't think in terms of personal accomplishments and personal success. That didn't exist to them, only the tribe. It's a completely different way of life, polar opposite of our society.

It is important because people these days are conditioned to think that the only way to live is the way that we currently do, and no one ever talks about more efficient ways of living or changing our current ways. The excuse is always that humans are competitive by nature, but that is false.

 

[Calm 1 NPK 503]

Great post.

These reason why tribes fought with one another was balance if one tribe was taking too much or acquiring to much land that it didn't need. The battles were there to balance everything out. It was a reminder of you are becoming to greedy.

 

[Calm 1 NPK 503]

Within the tribes, there was a chief, but the chief wasn't given this position, he had to earn it. The most bad ass motherfucker of the tribe, the baddest warrior, HE would be the chief. I would suggest doing some research on how tribes functioned back then, both in government and in society.

It is not always the bad ass that became the Chief. Those who became the Chief of a Tribe may have earned it but it is also the people of that Tribe give him that assumed authority. From the time a child is born they are given knowledge and as this child grows the village watches this child and sees growth. From that point on they are chosen by the elders and as they get older they are given the knowledge such as one who provides Medicine or that of the Hunter. For there is a role for everyone within a Tribalistic society because it is like a spider web everything is connected. It maybe the child that communicates best with all Bands of the Tribe and speaks other Tribal Languages of those Tribes in the same region and has knowldege of each season.

 

[phil]

further evidence man is nothing more than an animal

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

It is not always the bad ass that became the Chief. Those who became the Chief of a Tribe may have earned it but it is also the people of that Tribe give him that assumed authority. From the time a child is born they are given knowledge and as this child grows the village watches this child and sees growth. From that point on they are chosen by the elders and as they get older they are given the knowledge such as one who provides Medicine or that of the Hunter. For there is a role for everyone within a Tribalistic society because it is like a spider web everything is connected. It maybe the child that communicates best with all Bands of the Tribe and speaks other Tribal Languages of those Tribes in the same region and has knowldege of each season.

Great post. The point is that the Chief of a Tribe had to EARN his position from the authority given to him by the rest of the tribe. And the fact that there is a role for everyone in a Tribalistic society also speaks of how advanced they are in terms of society.

I give my outsider's perspective, but there's nothing like getting a perspective directly from the source.

 

[NovaFire]

further evidence man is nothing more than an animal

darwinistic thinking there. I believe humans do have a natural instinct like animals do, the only difference( big difference) is that we humans have response-ability, we can command such instincts, and channel them to create instead of destroy. But since we are conditioned from a small age to think in terms of scarcity, then the natural response to such conditioning is competitiveness.
No other species on earth can ever change its patterns of thinking, thats what makes a human a trully special being.

 

[Formaldehyde Rx]

The term hating is the result of people who suck not wanting to acknowledge when other people confront them with this fact....................

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

further evidence man is nothing more than an animal

OK, OK...who left the door open and let Captain Obvious in the room?

 

[REdRUM]

One of the most overused and worthless words used in ''popular'' culture these days.

"Don't hate."

"Hater."

Makes me wanna slap the shit outta some bitch.

 

[650Ubeezy]

I think hating is 3rd level thinking. An independent thinker is less likely to hate on somebody. Haters usually aren't the most intellectual, and hating is often a combined effort. Someone might not even hate on someone to begin with but if their friend is they will join.

 

[XianeX]

Capital Culture brings about capital behavior. . . Everybody wants to be superior because they need the assumed security blanket of importance