The Reason for the Love of God

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jt2218

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i don't know off hand, but i seen sum shit on tv where they pointed out specific chapters and verses and shit. i don't own a bible, so i can't look it up for you either, i'll try and find the video online or sumthin tho.... actually, one i just thought of... its not a big one but still, its all i can think of rite now. 2 different "creation" stories. 1 says God made Adam and Eve together, the other states that God created Adam first, he got lonely and then made Eve from a piece of his rib or whatever. and i don't know the specific chapters on these, but i also remember them pointin out shit that said its ok to sell your daughter to slavery... gay folks should be put to death.... if your child misbehaves he should be stoned(and if he so happens to die, basically the crime fits the punishment).... and a man should never approach a woman when she's on her period.. those r the ones that always stuck out in my mind.
 
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HAHAHAHA!! Damn, first you say there are contradictions and inconsistencies, when YOU HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE BIBLE, and you go on with the opinions of other men, instead of understanding it yourself. Read the bible, and It takes years to understand buddy. Next time you speak up on something, know the facts, instead of what other men tell you.
 
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why u assume i've never read the bible. i said i dont' own one. true i've never read the whole thing. but i've read sum. and the only reason i believed them was cuz before they started sayin all this, they said, go get a bible and read along with us. and then they started pointin out chapters and verses and reading straight from the bible itself. come on now, how u gunna defend that. so in actuality, it didn't come from some other man, it came straight from the bible. so...
 
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so in actuality, it didn't come from some other man, it came straight from the bible. so...
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YOU said:
but i seen sum shit on tv where they pointed out specific chapters and verses and shit. i don't own a bible, so i can't look it up for you either, i'll try and find the video online or sumthin tho.
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So you believe in the contradictions, the fallacies, and the inconsistencies according what the TV Christian said, secondly, don't even give me a link to a video, if you have proof of contradictions, fallacies, and inconsistencies, go by your own study and observation, and quit being a google scholar. You don't need to be a google scholar to answer my simple question.
 
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thats all i was doin was statin my beliefs and opinions. i'm not sayin u gotta listen to what i say or nuthin. and what simple question r u talkin bout? and btw, it wasn't a tv christian. it was a show call Bullshit, if u've ever heard of it, with a crack research team behind it. besides, the bible was written by man... people coulda just made shit up. but i do believe religion is necissary for a civilized word so people have a certain moral background to live by.
 
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jt2218 said:
thats all i was doin was statin my beliefs and opinions. i'm not sayin u gotta listen to what i say or nuthin. and what simple question r u talkin bout? and btw, it wasn't a tv christian. it was a show call Bullshit,
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Had a segment on walking on water,and how he didnt really walk on it,it just happened to be about a 4 ft deep river? i barely remember that shit,. got it on dvd. my girl didnt know what to think after she saw that.
 
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i don't remember that part.. maybe ur thinkin bout the parting of the red sea part... but yeah, it was an interesting episode.. one of my favs
 
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The Red Sin said:
If you go by Plato's logic of the form of good, you can use it as an explanation to why you love God. For man, In our minds, hearts, and souls(if you believe in a soul) we see God as absolute, Truth, Peace, Love, and GOODNESS. What's the good, more than the form of good? Nothing right? What's the form of good, when it's complete good, therefore it's perfectly good, and our eyes, it's God. To Love what is good, is to be near what is good, and to be near what is good, you must try to conform to the form of goodness, a characteristic of the form of good.

Plato Believed in the Visible World, and the Intelligent world, an example of the visible world, is the things in life which are visible to us, and have the characteristics that align ourselves with ourselves, and animals characters with animals. The Intelligent world which he describes is a place where the sort of invisible dwells, not necessarily God. I believe this logic of the Intelligent world can be applied to Intelligent Design, which in turn can be applied to God.

No for the sake, of not digressing, to Love what is good, is to Love God. We worship, and Love God, to be closer to this FORM OF GOOD. What's the best thing that we get out of life, the Greater good right? So for us theists, the best way to get close to this greater good, is to be close to God, which we believe is the absolute form of God. He has the characteristics of goodness, just like how the cow has the characteristics of cowness which in turn defines what a cow is.

There Fore, By allowing ourselves to believe and love in this form of Good, which we believe is God, we obtain some sort of enlightenment. You can say, it's to make us happier, I'd say He's more of our complEment, not complIment, but with an E. To complete us, as human beings, as his creations. By doing so, we become closer to Good itself, no longer the form of good, but good itself, and eventually, we become or feel like that form of good in return give us the Love, making us feel good and completely good.

I just needed to get that out. Hope it makes sense haha.
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I don't know if you saw this, but check it out sometime: http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=222949
 
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as far as good goes, i know fasting and praying are the best things you can do. far as reading stuff like pluto, i've only touched on aristotle. i'm not that deep into philosophical reading, but i like to search out everything and he'd seemed to be the best.

and since everything in the world isn't good i pray for this.

Grace
1 a: unmerited divine assistance given humans for their regeneration or sanctification b: a virtue coming from God c: a state of sanctification enjoyed through divine grace
 
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ThaG

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The Red Sin said:
Inconsistencies and Contradictions? If you can give me a specific chapter with the verses, that gives the bible any contradictions and inconsistencies, then let me know.
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http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#war_or_peace

plus some absurdic stories including:

creation of the world in 6 days 6000 years ago (proven to be wrong)

creation of Eve from Adam's rib (can't be disproven but it being false follows naturally from the previous one)

virgin birth

Noah's arc (also disproven)

resurrection

and many more....
 
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ThaG said:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#war_or_peace

plus some absurdic stories including:

creation of the world in 6 days 6000 years ago (proven to be wrong)

creation of Eve from Adam's rib (can't be disproven but it being false follows naturally from the previous one)

virgin birth

Noah's arc (also disproven)

resurrection

and many more....
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nice. but there's no use arguing with a christian... u can present them with all the evidence in the world and they'll still think they r rite. its all about faith, not fact, so i really don't care either way.
 
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jt2218 said:
nice. but there's no use arguing with a christian... u can present them with all the evidence in the world and they'll still think they r rite. its all about faith, not fact, so i really don't care either way.
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HAHA, he's been rebuked, refuted, and embarrassed so many times, that it's not even worth arguing with him. If you brought the facts yourself, I wouldn't mind answering the questions you bring forth, but ThaGay, isn't worth the time, I feel embarrassed and feel the need to hide my face or put him on ignore everytime I read his posts. Even the scientific ones. When people like JLMACN, 206, or the common GOM atheist/scientist post something, I'm inclined in to read it. You're going to use a link to try and refute the bible with their claims, so where are you own claims? He loves to digress in times of the heat of the debate, he posts supposed contradictions and fallacies, according to some link instead of his own poor research, and he believes every theory. I never knew any atheist, or scientists, and I mean never, that believed every theory presented was a fact, he's the only one.
 
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how have i been refuted and embarrassed? i don't see how. i see ur quick to assume shit. i never once said anything about these things being concrete fact. ur rite, sum of them r theories. the bible itself, in my opinion, is not fact. u may have other views tho. thats another reason i don't bother with christians like urself.. ur not very accepting of other's beliefs. i accept and respect everybody's religious beliefs and can relate to most religions. i never once said u were dumb or w/e for believing in what u believe. i just stated my beliefs and opinions and u jumped on me for it.
 
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ThaG

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The Red Sin said:
HAHA, he's been rebuked, refuted, and embarrassed so many times, that it's not even worth arguing with him. If you brought the facts yourself, I wouldn't mind answering the questions you bring forth, but ThaGay, isn't worth the time, I feel embarrassed and feel the need to hide my face or put him on ignore everytime I read his posts. Even the scientific ones. When people like JLMACN, 206, or the common GOM atheist/scientist post something, I'm inclined in to read it. You're going to use a link to try and refute the bible with their claims, so where are you own claims? He loves to digress in times of the heat of the debate, he posts supposed contradictions and fallacies, according to some link instead of his own poor research, and he believes every theory. I never knew any atheist, or scientists, and I mean never, that believed every theory presented was a fact, he's the only one.
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lol

Where was I refuted?

What's wrong with citing people who know more than you about the subject? That's what scientists do all the time....

Who told you I believe in every "theory", I don't even know what you mean when you say "theory"?

I've debated only one scientific theory - evolution and this is definitely not something I've done poor research on, I've spent most of my life studying it and I am still waiting for somebody to come and "refute" me....
 
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I just considered you refutable, because of your ignorance, I'm not quick to dismiss anything scientific, even though it may be considered contrary to my belief. It may end up, being a fact to back up religions claims and implications. Bottom line, Like Epictetus said along these lines, "If a man goeth into a debate thinking he knows all, he will cease to learn" somewhere along those lines, and you fit well into his logic of the close minded. Everyone in their own respect is a "philosopher" a person who loves and studies knowledge, but in your case, you dismiss everything and all things contrary to your own belief. I'm willing to learn in a debate, from what I've read in your debates, you just go on and on, with closed ears and mind.
 
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The Red Sin said:
I just considered you refutable, because of your ignorance, I'm not quick to dismiss anything scientific, even though it may be considered contrary to my belief. It may end up, being a fact to back up religions claims and implications. Bottom line, Like Epictetus said along these lines, "If a man goeth into a debate thinking he knows all, he will cease to learn" somewhere along those lines, and you fit well into his logic of the close minded. Everyone in their own respect is a "philosopher" a person who loves and studies knowledge, but in your case, you dismiss everything and all things contrary to your own belief. I'm willing to learn in a debate, from what I've read in your debates, you just go on and on, with closed ears and mind.
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lmao @ "ignorance"....

I have no "beliefs", "beliefs" have no place in science....

If a dismiss everything and all things contrary to what you call my "beliefs" there is a reason for that and it's because I've used the scientific method when I formed my opinion on certain topics, while others just took everything they were told literally and even after they grew up they refuse to realize what they believe in is a delusion
 
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The Red Sin said:
Ok, 206, if you had an evil child, would you spank him, or let him get away with things?

@Godzilla, that's all you do, talk shit, at least contribute to the thread, and worship Kristna's holy booger.
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this is the problem, you are already looking at the world through the lens of good and evil. there is no such thing as evil, this is another creation just like your god and you magic book. youre sounding like george bush, "stop the evil doers".
 
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