THE REAL CHAMP?
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ACTUALLY HE DID MORE THAN DAT !!!
HE RE-SHAPED WRESTLING PERIOD !!
U CANT DENY DAT HE BROUGHT A BIGGER AUDIENCE INTO DA WRESTLING WORLD...
WHICH ALSO BROUGHT IN MORE MONEY, WHICH ALSO MEANT BIGGER PAYCHEKz...
BUT WIT ALL DUE RESPECT 2 HOGAN, DAT DOESNT GIVE HIM DA RIGHT 2 CALL HIMSELF "THE CHAMP"...
WHILE HE WAZ DO'N WHUT HE WAZ DO'N TO BRING IN DA BIGGER AUDIENCE/MORE MONEY, OTHER PPL WERE KEEP'N SHIT IN MOTION...
"BLEEDING, SWEATING, WRESTLING... NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, DAY IN, DAY OUT, PAY'N DA PRICE" - RIC FLAIR
- GEEzUz
If we go by bleeding, sweating, night after night, etc we need Mick Foley on the list, and I would actually place Foley higher if we went by your conditions.
Flair is missing how many body parts? 0. Foley has a missing ear, missing teeth, walks with a limp, his fingers are twisted every which way, his body is contorted etc. While Flair did work day in and day out, I can't say he pulled a harder schedule than Foley. For YEARS Foley was a jobber and crash dummy in america AND overseas. Flair had a major push because he the cornerstone of NWA, but Foley didn't get his until YEARS later. I would say he put in more work (as far as bleeding, sweating, wrestling day in and day out) than ric flair.
Flair is missing how many body parts? 0. Foley has a missing ear, missing teeth, walks with a limp, his fingers are twisted every which way, his body is contorted etc. While Flair did work day in and day out, I can't say he pulled a harder schedule than Foley. For YEARS Foley was a jobber and crash dummy in america AND overseas. Flair had a major push because he the cornerstone of NWA, but Foley didn't get his until YEARS later. I would say he put in more work (as far as bleeding, sweating, wrestling day in and day out) than ric flair.
ALSO, IF U LOOK AT THINGz DAT WAY, U ALSO GOTTA LOOK AT DA PATHz BOTH OF'EM CHOzE...
FOLEY WENT DA HARDCORE ROUTE, WHILE FLAIR DIDNT...
IF FLAIR DID, IT MIGHT HAVE WENT ANUTHA WAY...
BUT HE DIDNT...
ALSO, THO FOLEY WENT THRU ALOT, AN LOST SO MANY BODY PARTz, HE DOESNT HAVE AZ MANY WINz UNDER HIZ BELT AZ FLAIR...
NOR DOES HE HAVE FLAIRz LONGEVITY IN WRESTLING...
FOLEY TOOK ALOT OF DAMAGE IN HIZ SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, DUE 2 HARDCORE MATCHz...
WHICH IZ WHY HE CANT REALLY B AROUND LIKE RIC FLAIR...
BUT AT DA SAME TIME, FLAIR HAZ BEEN IN 4 TIMEz DA AMOUNT OF MATCHEz AZ FOLEY ( REGULAR MATCHEz, TAG MATCHEz, HARDCORE MATCHEz, BRAWLz, BATTLE ROYALz )...
AN HE IZ STILL AROUND...
I AGREE, FOLEY HAZ PUT IN ALOT OF WORK AN DIDNT GET A PUSH AZ SOON AZ HE SHOULD HAVE...
BUT DA PUNISHMENT HE TOOK IN HIZ SHORT CAREER CANT COMPETE 2 DA LONGEVITY OF RIC FLAIRz...
HEz BEEN A MAJOR CARRIER OF ALL COMPANYz HEz WRESTLED 4...
FRUM NWA 2 WWF, FRUM WCW 2 WWE...
WIT ALL DUE RESPECT 2 MIC FOLEY....
HIZ CAREER MIGHT HAVE BEEN DA SAME LENGTH OR EVEN SHORTER IF HE HAD 2 WRESTLE JUS HALF AZ MANY PURE WRESTLING MATCHEz AZ RIC FLAIR...
1 MAJOR REASON BEING FOLEY ISNT HALF AZ GOOD OF A WRESTLER AZ RIC FLAIR...
ON ANUTHA NOTE, FLAIR MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN AROUND AZ LONG AZ HE HAZ IF HE HAD WALK'D DA SAME ROUTE AZ FOLEY ( HARDCORE MATCHEz )....
BUT HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN AROUND LONGER THAN FOLEY HAZ...
FLAIR HAZ PROVED IT WIT HIZ MATCHEz AGAINST PPL DAT FOLEY HAZ FACED IN HARDCORE MATCHEz...
I AGREE, IF THEY HAD DA MATCH N-E TIME OVER DA PAST 10 YEARz...
BUT FLAIR IN HIZ PRIME WOULD HAVE TOOK IT 2 TAKER..
SUMHOW RIC FLAIR WOULD HAVE TURN'D DA HELL IN A CELL MATCH INTO A "WRESTLING " MATCH...
AN HE WOULD HAVE PROLLY BROKEN TAKER DOWN...
HE COULD ALWAYz OUT-WRESTLE TAKER, BUT MOST LIKELY NOT OUT-FIGHT HIM...
- GEEzUz
Foley went that route because he HAD to go that route. People were NOT putting him on like they were putting Flair on. NWA, was built around Flair because he already had experience, they needed someoen to copete against Hogan, etc. No company was building around Foley, so whats a man to do?
LMAO! So, what are we basing this on? Wins? Blood? Sweat? Tears? I wouldn't say he does or doesn't have as many wins under his belt, but I sure know he didn't loose the strap over 16 times. :dead:
Mick Foley has wrestled for over 20 years. How is that a short amount of time?
I don't know anything about Flair being in 4 times the amount of matches as Foley, but the reason why Flair is STILL around is because he was always PROTECTED (like Hogan and HHH), and he always had a stable. You can't say the same for Foley.
This isn't about who is a better wrestler. This is about who the REAL champ of wrestling is, and since you mentioned "BLEEDING, SWEATING, WRESTLING... NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, DAY IN, DAY OUT", and since that is your criteria for the champ, I'm saying Foley would have Flair beat. Foley's style is violent and brutal, so once again if the criteria is based on blood and a hectic schedule I would say Foley.
So what is the criteria for the real champ? If its a pure wrestling match, I would give it to Kurt Angle. How many wrestlers have Olympic Gold?
LMAO! So, what are we basing this on? Wins? Blood? Sweat? Tears? I wouldn't say he does or doesn't have as many wins under his belt, but I sure know he didn't loose the strap over 16 times. :dead:
Mick Foley has wrestled for over 20 years. How is that a short amount of time?
I don't know anything about Flair being in 4 times the amount of matches as Foley, but the reason why Flair is STILL around is because he was always PROTECTED (like Hogan and HHH), and he always had a stable. You can't say the same for Foley.
This isn't about who is a better wrestler. This is about who the REAL champ of wrestling is, and since you mentioned "BLEEDING, SWEATING, WRESTLING... NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, DAY IN, DAY OUT", and since that is your criteria for the champ, I'm saying Foley would have Flair beat. Foley's style is violent and brutal, so once again if the criteria is based on blood and a hectic schedule I would say Foley.
So what is the criteria for the real champ? If its a pure wrestling match, I would give it to Kurt Angle. How many wrestlers have Olympic Gold?
NUTHIN WRONG WIT DAT IF HE HAD 2 DO IT ...
BUT FOLEY GO'N DA HARDCORE ROUTE WAZ MORE OF A PERSONAL CHOICE...
B4 HE BEGAN HIZ WRESTLING CAREER HE ADMIRED MORE ExTREME KIND OF WRESTLING, AN HE SPOKE OF IT IN HIZ BOOK...
ALSO, HE SPOKE OF HIZ HIGH TOLERANCE 4 PAIN, AN HOW HE LIKED 2 TEST HIMSELF...
FLAIR ON DA OTHER HAND WAzNT REALLY INTO DA HARDCORE THING...
I DONT KNO WHUT DA TOPIC IZ BASED ON, LOL, I WAZ JUS GIVE'N A FEW THINGz IT COULD B BASED ON...
IF IT WAZ POPULARITY AN SO FORTH, I'D AGREE WIT U AN GIVE IT 2 HOGAN...
BUT WHEN HOGAN FINALLY THROWz IN DA TOWEL, DAS ANUTHA STORY...
BY DAT RATIONALE, HE ALSO DIDNT WIN DA STRAP OVER 16 TIMEz EITHER...
WHUT I MEANT BY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME WAZ FOLEYz TIME WRESTLING ON A MORE MAINSTREAM LEVEL ( WCW/WWF )...
HE TOOK ALOT OF DAMAGE IN HIZ SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME WIT WWF COMPARED 2 FLAIR...
IN TURN, IT COULD B A MAJOR FACTOR IN SHORTENING HIZ CAREER...
CHEK FLAIRz WRESTLING STATz COMPARED 2 FOLEY...
THROUGHOUT BOTH OF THEY CAREERz, FLAIRz BEEN IN MORE MATCHEz...
AN MORE MAINEVENTz...
HAD LONGER MATCHEz AN MORE TITLE REIGNz...
THEREz SUM TRUTH 2 DAT...
LMAO..
WHEN TRYNA DETERMINE WHO DA REAL CHAMP OF "WRESTLING" IZ, SOONER OR LATER WE WILL HAVE 2 COME 2 WHO DA BETTER "WRESTLER" IZ...
I DIDNT SAY DAT WAZ MY PERSONAL CRITERIA 4 CHAMP...
I WAZ SAY'N DAT IF DAT WAZ DA CRITERIA BEHIND THIS THREAD, THEN I'D HAVE 2 GIVE IT 2 FLAIR...
BUT "BLEEDING, SWEATING, WRESTLING, NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, DAY IN, DAY OUT" ALSO CAME WIT ACCOMPLISHMENTz, LONGEVITY, WRESTLING SKILL...
MEANING I'D HAVE 2 GIVE IT 2 RIC FLAIR TIL HE RETIREz...
I COULD AGREE IF DAT WAZ DA CRITERIA...
TRU DAT SUM HARDCORE MATCHEz ARE MORE BRUTAL THAN OTHERz, BUT SUM ARE ALSO SHORTER THAN OTHERz...
FOLEY HAZ BEEN IN SUM SHORT BUT BRUTAL HARDCORE MATCHEz, BUT FLAIR HAZ ALSO BEEN IN SUM VERY LONG PURE WRESTLING MATCHEz....
NOT SAYING 1 IZ HARDER THAN DA OTHER, BUT BOTH COULD EASILY TAKE A TOLL ON ONEz ANATOMY AZ MUCH AZ DA OTHER...
AZ HISTORY IN WRESTLING HAZ PROVEN...
AZ FAR AZ THIS THREAD IZ CONCERN'D? I DONT KNO, I DIDNT CREATE IT...
I'D ALSO LIKE 2 KNO..
BUT WE'VE COVER'D ALOT OF THINGz DAT COULDNT DA CRITERIA 4 REAL CHAMP..
I COULD AGREE WIT U ON DAT 1...
BUT IF U WERE 2 ADD THINGz LIKE "SPORTz ENTERTAINMENT, LONGEVITY IN DA SAME SPORTz ENTERTAINMENT WRESTLING FIELD, WIN/LOSS RECORDz, MAIN EVENTz", AN SO FORTH...
I'D STILL HAVE 2 GIVE IT RIC FLAIR...
- GEEzUz
LOL! We are not going to agree on this. If we consider "SPORTz ENTERTAINMENT, LONGEVITY IN DA SAME SPORTz ENTERTAINMENT WRESTLING FIELD, WIN/LOSS RECORDz, MAIN EVENTz" Hogan would probably have Ric Flair beat. The only thing going for Flair is he was not really prone to injury like some of the other guys.
And why is Bill Goldberg NOT on this list?
And why is Bill Goldberg NOT on this list?
LOL, AGREED...
I AGREE, IF DAT WAZ DA CRITERIA, HOGAN WOULD HAVE FLAIR BEAT...
BUT WIT 2 WORDz ( WRESTLING SKILL ) IT COULD EASILY SHIFT 2 RIC FLAIR...
HOWEVER I DISAGREE WIT "NOT REALLY PRONE 2 INJURY" BEING ALL FLAIR HAZ GOING 4 HIM...
BUT IT IZ A BIG FACTOR IN LONGEVITY IN DA BIzNESS..
GOLDBERG HUH? LOL, I'LL LET SUMBODY ELSE ANSWER DAT 1...
- GEEzUz
WHEN RIC FLAIR OFFICIALLY RETIREz, I'LL GIVE IT 2 TRIPLE H...
LOL, I DIDNT WANT HIM 2 QUIT EITHA...
BUT STONE COLD IZ DAM NEAR "HALF METAL"...
AFTER DAT PILE DRIVER FRUM OWEN HART ( R.I.P ) HE SHOULDA BEEN DEAD...
HE WAZ LUKKY 2 COMEBAC AN STILL B ALIVE THIS LONG...
PLUS HE HAZ 2 BAD KNEEz...
I WAZ A BIG FAN OF STONE COLD BAC WHEN HE WAZ JUS "STUNNING STEVE AUSTIN" ...
I THINK IT WAZ A GOOD MOVE DAT HE QUIT BE'N A PERMANENT ON DA ROSTER...
HE HAD A GOOD THING GO'N 4 A LIL WHILE WHEN HE WAZ "SHERIFF" OF RAW...
AN "CO-GENERAL MANAGER"...
BUT THEN IT GOT 2 PREDICTABLE, CUZ WHEN ERIC BISCHOFF TRIED SUMTHIN, WE ALL KNEW STONE COLD WAZ GONNA COME OUT....
- GEEzUz