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Monte Poole: Oakland Raiders need to find their center in 2011 draft
By Monte Poole, Oakland Tribune columnist
Posted: 04/29/2011 7:21 AM
If Al Davis knows anything about his Raiders, it's their history. He can recall times and dates and details, cite the tiniest examples of the NFL's mistreatment of his franchise.

Presume, then, that the owner is keenly aware of the common thread among the five Raiders teams that have appeared in Super Bowls and the three that came away winners.

Davis surely knows that the essence of every contending Raiders team -- even those that failed to win the Super Bowl -- is a center strong enough to bully opposing linemen, big enough to anchor the line, smart enough to dissect opposing defenses and tough enough to sprint through a steel garage door.

Strong as in Barret Robbins, big as in Don Mosebar, smart as in Dave Dalby, tough as in Jim Otto.

The Raiders haven't employed a center of such quality since Robbins faded so horribly all those many years ago, playing at a Pro Bowl level for most of the 2002 season before wrecking a knee and eventually going AWOL from the team -- and from his own sanity -- during Super Bowl week.

So when Davis, the team's ultimate shot-caller in every draft, makes his initial 2011 selection Friday, in the second round of this three-day extravaganza, he shouldn't ignore the history whispering in his ear. He has to find a center, because the Raiders never have gone very far without one.

And there will be one available, even if Oakland holds onto the 48th overall pick.

One of the many ways in which the Raiders have lost their way in recent years is in the esteem in which they hold the center. They've taken one of their legacy positions and handed it to a stunning array of unremarkable journeymen.

Whether you blame Davis for making wrong choices or poor Jake Grove for getting hurt and being, well, another wrong choice, the Raiders have taken to handing the role to a bunch of burlap sacks and piles of old adhesive tape.

They've tried Grove, tried Adam Treu and tried Jeremy Newberry. They've tried Chris Morris and John Wade and Samson Satele.

So desperate were they at one point last season that they turned to a 6-foot-8 rookie from tiny Hillsdale College, Jared Veldheer, in hopes he could revive the tradition. Like the others, he failed to establish himself -- but might have found a home at left tackle.

They can't turn the clock back to Otto; he's 72. Dalby died tragically in the summer of 2002. Mosebar was a three-time Pro Bowler whose career was cut short by an eye injury. As for the troubled soul that is Robbins, he was sentenced last month to five years in a Florida prison.

These four men were Raiders centers of distinction. They need another, need him now.

And they might find him by, yes, turning to their legacy.

The best available centers in the second round of this draft are Stefen Wisniewski, who went to Penn State -- as did his uncle, former Raiders guard Steve Wisniewski -- and Florida State's Rodney Hudson. Each has the physical and mental qualities to command the role. Either would be acceptable.

Given the condition of Oakland's offensive line, there might be room for both, with one playing guard.

Veldheer might be the most impressive lineman on the team and surely is the only one on the verge of locking down a position for a decade. The rest of the line is a motley mix of free agents, fringe players and vessels of potential. Then, too, the line is in the midst of dramatic transition, with new head coach Hue Jackson ready to rely more on power schemes than the zone blocking tactics preferred by predecessor Tom Cable.

Wisniewski (6-3, 313) and Hudson (6-3, 299) have the goods to be a part of this transition. If moving up closer to the top of the second round is the only way to get one, it's worth it.

Davis last season managed the best Raiders draft since the team moved back to Oakland in 1995. After years of falling in love with flash and dash, drafting athletes rather than football players, he went back to the core of the game.

The core of the Raiders, when they have been a power, is the heart of the O-line.

They won two Super Bowls with an offense led by quarterback Jim Plunkett, who never made a Pro Bowl. They won with unheralded running backs such as Clarence Davis and Kenny King, got there with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown running on fumes.

But the Raiders have neither won nor reached a Super Bowl without a center worthy of the shield.

I'm guessing Davis need not be reminded of this.
 
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we got our guy in Wiz, but Van Dyke was picked wayy to early IMO.. but of course with his speed we all knew Al would get him and of course he did..! but fuck it were gonna resign Aso #21 anyways.. watch
 
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Wisniewski was a solid draft pick but he actually isn't worth a 2nd rounder,but I guess we had no choice but to snatch him up before another team took him......Ryan Mallet would of been a more solid pick,but I'm glad we got a o-lineman that has family ties with the Raiders.
 
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"Was out by Jack London last night at the major dive bar and lo and behold Raiders strength and conditioning coach Brad Roll. Always a cool mellow down to earth dude too. Humble that he would wanna be around us regulars. Said all the coaches love Van Dyke including him. They think Rod Woodson gonna do wonders with the young guys"

for what its worth..
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Wisniewski was a solid draft pick but he actually isn't worth a 2nd rounder,but I guess we had no choice but to snatch him up before another team took him......Ryan Mallet would of been a more solid pick,but I'm glad we got a o-lineman that has family ties with the Raiders.
wiz II was not a reach at #48. he could easily have been picked up before that. he's nfl ready and has great genetics. father and uncle both played ball. coach hue already announced that he's our starting center.
 
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I really like the pick of taiwan jones.. I hope we can have a healthy McFadden/Bush all season.. but IMO Jones will compliment them both nice.. local east bay kid from antioch who has speed and football skills
 
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Oakland Raiders – 2011 NFL Draft Grade Rounds 2 & 3
April 30, 2011 02:00 AM EDT
Oakland went into the 2011 NFL draft without a first-round choice, but the team still made the most out of their three picks in rounds two and three.

The Raiders made a very solid choice in the second round with Stefen Wisniewski from Penn State. Wisniewski played center in college, but he has the tools to move over and play at guard if needed. The Raiders could lose Robert Gallery to free agency, and drafting Wisniewski could fill that hole at guard immediately.

Oakland took CB Demarcus Van Dyke of Miami with the first of their two third-round selections. Van Dyke was the fastest corner at the combine, but lacks the strength needed to help support the run. This pick was a bit of a reach at this spot in the draft, but the Raiders love speed and Van Dyke has plenty to spare.

Joseph Barksdale was the team's final choice on the second day of the draft, and the LSU tackle has the size and strength to be added to the team's rotation on the offensive line. Barksdale is 6'5" and 325lbs with good feet, agility, and overall strength.

Oakland landed two solid additions to their offensive line and a project at corner. Their overall grade is a B, but if Van Dyke pans out as a player, they might have one of the better drafts in this year's NFL draft classes. The Raiders running game has become very physical, and the team added two linemen that can continue that trend for the team.

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With their first pick in this year's draft, the Raiders did what a lot of people thought they would do from the start. Keeping it all within the family, Davis selected the nephew of pro bowl guard Steve Wisniewski.

Stefan Wisniewski is a mauling center with an impressive pedigree. We all know about his uncle, but his father, Leo Wisniewski played three seasons on defensive line for the Indianapolis Colts.

Stefan was a three year starter at Penn State and played in all 39 games without any injury issues. (He is credited with 38 starts because he gave up a start on senior day in order to allow the back up senior to get the start).

He has good size for a center with above average arm length and massive hands. He is not the strongest of guys and can have issues with bigger defensive tackles, but what he lacks in strength, he makes up for in aggressiveness and good technique. He is a guy that plays hard all the way to the whistle and will add a good amount of toughness to the interior of the Raiders line.

The Raiders drafted to their biggest need with their first pick. There could be arguments made for other offensive linemen available at that spot, but the pedigree and the fact that his uncle is an assistant offensive line coach for the Raiders makes the chances of his success much higher.

Grade: A
 
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With their third round pick, Al Davis did his thing. Once again, the Raiders wind up with the guy who ran the fastest 40 time at the combine.

Van Dyke has good height but could stand to add some bulk to his frame, especially considering how much man coverage he will be playing.

He has the speed to keep up with almost any wide receiver in the league and has good ball skills, getting his head around at the right time and attacking the ball.His biggest problem is limiting separation with wide receivers on their routes. He can stay with a guy running straight down the sideline, but can he react quick enough to limit separation on routes with lots of movement.

Van Dyke is the type of guy who has the physical attributes to be a very good cornerback in the NFL, but is on the raw side right now. Hopefully, with a guy like Rod Woodson working with him, he will develop into the number one cornerback the Raiders need.

Once again, the Raiders drafted to need, but there is a much bigger question here as to whether Van Dyke was the right CB to draft at this point. Curtis Marsh and Shareece Wright were also available at that point and both players are much better at man coverage and conceivably would be more capable of stepping in and playing right away. However, they do not have the same upside that Van Dyke has and Wright has some durability issues.

Grade: B
 
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With the pick that the Raiders got from the Patriots, the Raiders went back to offensive line with tackle Joe Barksdale out of LSU.

Barksdale has good size and arm length. He is good in pass protection but could have issues with speed rushers as he can sometimes be slow to get into position. However, he will fit right into the Raiders run game as he has the size and nastiness to excel in run blocking.

The Raiders needed to add depth at the tackle position, but this pick might have been a little bit of a reach with James Brewer and Lee Ziemba still on the board. Also, the Raiders could have taken Cannon in the fourth round, a guy that I think could be better than Barksdale.

Grade: B
 
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hmm.. not so sure if he'll have that big of an impact simply because tha fact we already have BEASTS @ tha RB position... D-Mac, Bush combo. should continue going for a long while as long as we get Bush resigned.. but Jones will hopefully get in on some plays once tha opposing teams defense is worn out