The day Jeb Bush becomes president of the US...

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Psycho Logic said:
who the fuck cares?! does you incorperating "at least" have ANYTHING to do with the subject?

yeah I know what an adverb is you dumb bitch. and AT LEAST isn't an adverb. what the fuck are you talking about?

illiterate? I think you're the one that's illiterate
least Audio pronunciation of "at least" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lst)
adj. A superlative of little.

1. Lowest in importance or rank.
2.
1. Smallest in magnitude or degree.
2. Slightest or tiniest: didn't care the least bit.


adv. Superlative of little.

To or in the lowest or smallest degree.



n.

One that is the lowest or smallest in importance, rank, magnitude, or degree: The dinner menu is the least of my worries tonight. The least you can do is to be polite.




Sorry. You lose, dumbfuck.
 
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wow.. you know how to type dictionary.com into your browser. good for you. doesn't change the fact THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC! You dumb, thick-skulled faggot.


now go back to making shitty rap songs and hyping yourself up
 
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sorry.. but when u say "0at least yada yada", while not in person to sense the sarcastic tone, it sounds as if your defending and justifying... and no E-dictionary will tell u that, i think it just takes common sense
 
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There is no sarcasm about it.

I am saying that, for all you might whine about, at least this Republican candidate (and Condi Rice too, for that matter) both speak Spanish. And it should be VERY OBVIOUS, without me having to type a 15 paragraph explanation, that the Spanish language is going to become more and more important in these upcoming years.

Out of all the Democratic candidates, none of them that I know of are able to speak the language. On the Republican side, there are 2 if not more than that.



Now...if you would like to ARGUE that Spanish will NOT play an increasingly important role in Politics, then let us have that discussion. You will be dissected and humiliated. Anything else, you are just wasting space.

If you would like to think of MORE characteristics that would make a Great President (say, Less Religious, More Eloquent, More Experience, etc.) then do that. But to argue that speaking Spanish would not be a great addition to that list, you are crazy in the head.
 
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yeah it is a nice little addition but im still not convinced that spanish is gonna win someone an election.. i also dont think that the avg spanish speaker is gonna vote for someone on that sole premise.. jeb bush is still a bush regardless of his dialect
 
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So you're both saying, you would PREFER that we completely eliminate foreign-language education, and MANDATE that classes in federally-funded schools ONLY be taught in English? That is exactly what you are setting up right now, by fundamentally misunderstanding where I'm coming from.

REGARDLESS OF WHO IS ELECTED PRESIDENT, SPANISH IS GOING TO BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS COUNTRY, IN EVERY ASPECT FROM SOCIAL SERVICES, TO SCHOOLS, TO HEALTH CARE, TO POLITICS, AND IN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE.....BOTTOM LINE.....POINT BLANK PERIOD.

These millions of Latinos MUST be integrated into society, or we are going to have massive Paris-like RIOTING on our hands. I can see no better way assist in that integration than having our HEAD OF STATE speak the Language, and AS A RESULT (as ANYONE who has studied a foreign language knows), BETTER UNDERSTAND the cultures and communities that speak it.



12 more paragraphs, or....? Is this enough yet?
 
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Dirty Shoez said:
So you're both saying, you would PREFER that we completely eliminate foreign-language education, and MANDATE that classes in federally-funded schools ONLY be taught in English? That is exactly what you are setting up right now, by fundamentally misunderstanding where I'm coming from.
umm.. no.. im saying the majority of voters dont really care nor will take that into consideration when casting their vote. By saying that i PREFER to eliminate foreign language education because im being realisitic is quite an extreme assumption. I havent disagreed with its importance. And i doubt that because a president knows a foreign language that he's going to push for its education in schools..
Dirty Shoez said:
REGARDLESS OF WHO IS ELECTED PRESIDENT, SPANISH IS GOING TO BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS COUNTRY, IN EVERY ASPECT FROM SOCIAL SERVICES, TO SCHOOLS, TO HEALTH CARE, TO POLITICS, AND IN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE.....BOTTOM LINE.....POINT BLANK PERIOD.
i agree, but why should a head of state learn the language when he can hire interpeter's and wont be dealing with many spanish speakers directly??

Dirty Shoez said:
These millions of Latinos MUST be integrated into society, or we are going to have massive Paris-like RIOTING on our hands. I can see no better way assist in that integration than having our HEAD OF STATE speak the Language, and AS A RESULT (as ANYONE who has studied a foreign language knows), BETTER UNDERSTAND the cultures and communities that speak it.
I agree for the most part about the intigration aspect.. HOWEVER just because a head of state can speak the language, doesnt mean that the avg latino voter is going to disregard that "head of state's" policies and vote for him. Being latino myself, i can safely say that Jeb Bush can speak all the spanish he wants and can even sport a sombrero and pancho for all i care, i still am not voting for him.
 

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The dinner menu is the least of my worries tonight.
You said "the least" not "at least". If you rewrote that to The dinner menu is at least of my worries tonight that's not an adverb or a complete sentence. An adverb describes a verb.

He walked slowly. Slowly is an adverb that describes the predicate walked.

All sentences have a noun and a verb (subject and predicate). Like "I ride". I is the subject, ride is the predicate. And adverb can be added to describe how someone rides - "I ride quickly".

Now, if at least were an adverb, it would be able to describe how someone rides. "I ride at least".

While least or at least may possibly be used as an adverb, as said by your electronic dictionary, that does not mean that it is an adverb everytime you use it. And your use of it did not describe the verb.



And since I was the one who commented that foreigners should learn how to speak their native language, let me just point out that your dumbass is twisting around the issue. I never said that the president shouldnt speak spanish. Or that knowing spanish wasn't an addition to the list. Or that spanish would not become an increasingly important part of America and politics in general. That's just the way you twisted everything around because you saw someone speaking on the spanish language and immediately got defensive and twisted it around the way you saw it fit.

What I said was that speaking spanish doesn't necessarily make a good candidate, such as if Hitler spoke spanish, that wouldnt mean he automatically became a good candidate. And I also said immigrants should learn to speak the language of the country they live in.

Somehow you twist that around to everyone saying that they want to banish Spanish from the classroom and teach only English like we're a bunch of fucking right wing Nazi's. I dont think anyone said that. I dont think they were even talking about citizens, they were talking about politicians.
And they weren't saying politicitians shouldn't learn spanish, they were saying that politicians knowing spanish does not necessarily define them as a great leader.
 
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umm.. no.. im saying the majority of voters dont really care nor will take that into consideration when casting their vote.
The majority doesn't matter. What matters is the millions of Latino voters, their families, their friends, their sympathizers, their employers and everyone else that has daily contact with them. They deserve a President that will spend an hour or three a week learning Spanish, instead of reading yet another random novel by so-and-so or watching TV.

By saying that i PREFER to eliminate foreign language education because im being realisitic is quite an extreme assumption. I havent disagreed with its importance. And i doubt that because a president knows a foreign language that he's going to push for its education in schools..
My position was that, this is what you are effectively doing and putting into place.

If you haven't been to a College campus lately, I'd suggest you go and take a good look. The Spanish classes are PACKED, at ALL LEVELS, from FIRST YEAR to FOURTH YEAR. 2nd and beyond Year Languages like French, German, etc. are largely EMPTY. Young people KNOW what second language is important to learn, and it is SPANISH.

i agree, but why should a head of state learn the language when he can hire interpeter's and wont be dealing with many spanish speakers directly??
You tell me.

Why should the President meet with foreign leaders when he has a Secretary of State? Why should the President go to Iraq or Pakistan or Afghanistan when he has the Secretary of Defense to do it for him? Why should the President wipe his own ass when he can just hire someone to do it?

It's a matter of respect. If the Japanese population of my city suddenly increased 10%, you can bet your ass I would be picking up some of that language. WHY? Because i RESPECT people and their cultures like that. You'd THINK people would want the same in a President.

I agree for the most part about the intigration aspect.. HOWEVER just because a head of state can speak the language, doesnt mean that the avg latino voter is going to disregard that "head of state's" policies and vote for him. Being latino myself, i can safely say that Jeb Bush can speak all the spanish he wants and can even sport a sombrero and pancho for all i care, i still am not voting for him.
Again.....you are completely misunderstanding the point, and not even demonstrating that you are reading what I am saying.

``I can see no better way assist in that integration than having our HEAD OF STATE speak the Language, and AS A RESULT (as ANYONE who has studied a foreign language knows), BETTER UNDERSTAND the cultures and communities that speak it.''


Just like all the Atheists out there will SWEAR...ABSOLUTELY SWEAR, even in the absense of an 'accurate', 'scientific' survey, that the AVERAGE ATHEIST is smarter than the AVERAGE GOD-FEARING PERSON............so it is that the AVERAGE PERSON who speaks a foreign language usually knows A FUCK OF A LOT MORE about Foreign cultures than the average person who ONLY speaks English.

People bitch and complain about this President, and say he is ignorant, and arrogant, and doesn't understand people, and this and that...........how exactly do you think you fix that? A higher GPA? Not being Rich? ......NO. By understanding PEOPLE. And one of the EASIEST things yuo can do to understand people is to LEARN how to talk, how THEY talk, when they aren't just TALKING...but rather when they're COMMUNICATING.




I apologize if i sound harsh ^^^^ up there, but I have no time to edit. This is a serious topic for me. Latinos MUST be made to feel like they are at Home here in America. ANd seeing as though we won't all be learning NAHUATL or QUECHUA any time soon....Spanish is IT.
 
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Dirty Shoez said:
So you're both saying, you would PREFER that we completely eliminate foreign-language education, and MANDATE that classes in federally-funded schools ONLY be taught in English? That is exactly what you are setting up right now, by fundamentally misunderstanding where I'm coming from.
Wouldnt bother me i rather have U.S. English be out national lanugage. Should of been that a long time ago, just go back about 100 years ago you wouldnt find this country babying like they are now torwards people. I shouldnt have to ask a mexican who speak spanish very good and ask them what there saying in the music they saying and he says i dont know, to me it no more of a lanugage then baby talk and how come it aint 1 everyone speaks it when they are born. Then my neighbor just rags on other mexican (hes 1 himself) that cant learn english he would be calling them like wet-back and shit

And this country went to shit, like if i dont wanna wear a seat belt i shouldnt be force to, its not like its gonna kill you if i dont.
 
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Dirty Shoez said:
They deserve a President that will spend an hour or three a week learning Spanish, instead of reading yet another random novel by so-and-so or watching TV.
Since when does connecting with or communicating with the people have anything to do with being a President? The last president who really did that was Reagan in his 1st term, and since then it has been Press releases, press secretaries, etc. It has been this way ESPECIALLY in the case of your buddy Bush, who makes statements and immediately hides.

Even Clinton went down to Union halls in Michigan to debate and explain NAFTA when he was supporting it. Bush has had less contact with anyone in Congress than any of the recent presidents we've had.

Young people KNOW what second language is important to learn, and it is SPANISH.
What does this have to do with the President? The individual qualities of a President or their ability or inability to reach people have little or no bearing on elections.

[qupte]Why should the President meet with foreign leaders when he has a Secretary of State? Why should the President go to Iraq or Pakistan or Afghanistan when he has the Secretary of Defense to do it for him? Why should the President wipe his own ass when he can just hire someone to do it?[/quote]

To get some much-needed perspective. To get a picture of what is really going on beyond the ideology or simplicity of cabinet presentations. America is the largest island in the world, and the people around the president support and further this problem.

If the Japanese population of my city suddenly increased 10%, you can bet your ass I would be picking up some of that language. WHY? Because i RESPECT people and their cultures like that.
But respecting people and cultures is liberal multiculturalism. You are projecting values onto an imaginary president who does not or will not exist, and even if he did he would most likely be a liberal who you wouldn't vote for. Who really gives a shit tadou?

BETTER UNDERSTAND the cultures and communities that speak it.''
This is not something we value in the US. This is especially not something conservatives value. A real Spanish speaking president would lose the God-fearin, AK-47, Fox News vote.

............so it is that the AVERAGE PERSON who speaks a foreign language usually knows A FUCK OF A LOT MORE about Foreign cultures than the average person who ONLY speaks English.
Once again tadou you support conservatives. Learning or knowing foreign cultures is immaterial and irrelevent in their minds.

By understanding PEOPLE. And one of the EASIEST things yuo can do to understand people is to LEARN how to talk, how THEY talk, when they aren't just TALKING...but rather when they're COMMUNICATING.


You stop it by not voting for the oligarchy.

ANd seeing as though we won't all be learning NAHUATL or QUECHUA any time soon....Spanish is IT.
How many Mexicans speak Nahuatl? One percent? One half of one percent? This is about as useless and immaterial as your Swahili movement.
 
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No go, friend White Devil. I am not going to dialogue with you if you are going to chop my post to pieces and respond to selected portions, and even then, with cliche insults that have absolutely no foundations ("A real Spanish speaking president would lose the God-fearin, AK-47, Fox News vote" etc)

Try again.


Edit: Nevermind....Response coming....But I will leave this previous part up instead of deleting it.
 
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so how many of u guys think that jeb's son might sum day become the first hispanic president,being that he'll most likely run on the republican ticket and also that he's mexican american and will have both reps. and hispanics backing him?