The Bay vs The NorthWest
- Thread starter Dirty Shoez
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Dirty Shoez said:
You always say the same things, that is why.
"I think what you did was pointless though, I've got about 15 Gigs of Northwest music, 99.9% of which is within that second region you drawed out anyway (B/C THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE).
No need to exclude anybody b/c it's not like someone from Eastern Idaho is going to end up reppin our region anyways, just let the natural population patterns do this work for you.
We are held back geographically by a LOT of other things (I have outlined them before, basically an overall lack of brothers), not b/c some of these outlying areas want to jump on our bandwagon."
1) Good, let's keep it that way. And Now that i think about it, I should slice even more off.
2) It is very necessary to exclude. We need to establish that certain areas are undesirable (Montana, most of Idaho, etc.), and others are very fertile.
3) It is all interconnected. Fuck Equal Opportunity. Keep it out of their head before it even enters their thoughts. And if they don't?
Easy:
No more NorthWest. The NorthWest dies. It becomes: The Puget Sound.....Portland.....and thats IT.
Edit: by the way:
What a fucking homo.
"I think what you did was pointless though, I've got about 15 Gigs of Northwest music, 99.9% of which is within that second region you drawed out anyway (B/C THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE).
No need to exclude anybody b/c it's not like someone from Eastern Idaho is going to end up reppin our region anyways, just let the natural population patterns do this work for you.
We are held back geographically by a LOT of other things (I have outlined them before, basically an overall lack of brothers), not b/c some of these outlying areas want to jump on our bandwagon."
1) Good, let's keep it that way. And Now that i think about it, I should slice even more off.
2) It is very necessary to exclude. We need to establish that certain areas are undesirable (Montana, most of Idaho, etc.), and others are very fertile.
3) It is all interconnected. Fuck Equal Opportunity. Keep it out of their head before it even enters their thoughts. And if they don't?
Easy:
No more NorthWest. The NorthWest dies. It becomes: The Puget Sound.....Portland.....and thats IT.
Edit: by the way:
What a fucking homo.
Los Angeles, Atlanta, St. Louis, and even New York was just like this. Cities don't just blow up overnight. Honestly, your opinions are straight fuckin wack but they're just that. YOUR opinions and YOUR thoughtz so i respect that. At least you contributing your thoughts and shit. but i have to disagree with u shit about cuttin down da region. Then it really wouldn't be no real northwest representation. We're complaining about people excluding us from the mainstream/national recognition and you wanna do that with our people? We all from da Northwest. We're here with the common goal. To blow up, get respect for da NW and make good music, que no?
We still starting out and we need to get more organized and realize that we gotta do shit 2gether 2 blow up our region. Look at houston. da dirrty south in general. They all fucks wit each other. Slim Thug, Chamillionaire, Lil Flip, South Park Mexican, UGK, Chingo Bling, all these muthafuckas know that they had to work with each other and we need to do that.
For example, how many of you muthafuckas were at the Northwest Urban Lifestyle Conference this Saturday? Were you there Dirrty? If we gonna be complainin about the lack of exposure here in the North Dub, then we gotta take opportunities like the conference and run with it. There was a good source of information there with the panelists and the networking that was going on. That's the type of shit we need to be focusing on, not worrying about we need to limit the Northwest cuz other areas ain't poppin yet or they ain't got much shit there. Just a thought. peace
We still starting out and we need to get more organized and realize that we gotta do shit 2gether 2 blow up our region. Look at houston. da dirrty south in general. They all fucks wit each other. Slim Thug, Chamillionaire, Lil Flip, South Park Mexican, UGK, Chingo Bling, all these muthafuckas know that they had to work with each other and we need to do that.
For example, how many of you muthafuckas were at the Northwest Urban Lifestyle Conference this Saturday? Were you there Dirrty? If we gonna be complainin about the lack of exposure here in the North Dub, then we gotta take opportunities like the conference and run with it. There was a good source of information there with the panelists and the networking that was going on. That's the type of shit we need to be focusing on, not worrying about we need to limit the Northwest cuz other areas ain't poppin yet or they ain't got much shit there. Just a thought. peace
Everybody is making this more complicated than it is, drawing comparisons to other places that are in no way, similar to our region at all. It's not as much b/c these other places are doing things the NW ain't doing, it's more b/c they have PEOPLE that the NW doesn't have.
Look at this list and the numbers, and THINK about what they mean.
Total Black Population
New York--Northern New Jersey--Long Island, NYCMSA 3,638,570
Washington--Baltimore, DC--MD--VA--WV CMSA 1,992,266
Chicago--Gary--Kenosha, IL--IN--WI CMSA 1,707,618
Los Angeles--Riverside--Orange County, CA CMSA 1,245,039
Philadelphia--Wilmington--Atlantic City, PA--NJ--DE--MD CMSA 1,210,846
Atlanta, GA MSA 1,189,179
Detroit--Ann Arbor--Flint, MI CMSA 1,149,331
Miami--Fort Lauderdale, FL CMSA 790,518
Houston--Galveston--Brazoria, TX CMSA 789,489
Dallas--Fort Worth, TX CMSA 720,133
San Francisco--Oakland--San Jose, CA CMSA 513,561
New Orleans, LA MSA 502,251
Cleveland--Akron, OH CMSA 493,492
Memphis, TN--AR--MS MSA 492,531
Norfolk--Virginia Beach--Newport News, VA--NC MSA 485,368
St. Louis, MO--IL MSA 476,716
Charlotte--Gastonia--Rock Hill, NC--SC MSA 307,886
Richmond--Petersburg, VA MSA 300,457
Boston--Worcester--Lawrence, MA--NH--ME--CT CMSA 299,018
Birmingham, AL MSA 277,083
Raleigh--Durham--Chapel Hill, NC MSA 269,932
Milwaukee--Racine, WI CMSA 254,810
Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, NC MSA 252,688
Tampa--St. Petersburg--Clearwater, FL MSA 244,455
Jacksonville, FL MSA 238,444
San Juan--Caguas--Arecibo, PR CMSA 232,644
Cincinnati--Hamilton, OH--KY--IN CMSA 231,006
Orlando, FL MSA 227,868
Kansas City, MO--KS MSA 226,503
Indianapolis, IN MSA 223,974
Columbus, OH MSA 206,136
Jackson, MS MSA 201,027
Baton Rouge, LA MSA 192,605
Nashville, TN MSA 191,876
Pittsburgh, PA MSA 190,511
Columbia, SC MSA 172,083
Charleston--North Charleston, SC MSA 169,079
Greenville--Spartanburg--Anderson, SC MSA 168,081
Seattle--Tacoma--Bremerton, WA CMSA 165,938
Augusta--Aiken, GA--SC MSA 164,019
San Diego, CA MSA 161,480
Minneapolis--St. Paul, MN--WI MSA 157,963
West Palm Beach--Boca Raton, FL MSA 156,055
Mobile, AL MSA 147,909
Shreveport--Bossier City, LA MSA 146,686
Louisville, KY--IN MSA 142,760
Buffalo--Niagara Falls, NY MSA 137,049
Dayton--Springfield, OH MSA 135,330
Montgomery, AL MSA 129,653
Sacramento--Yolo, CA CMSA 128,073
Little Rock--North Little Rock, AR MSA 127,737
Las Vegas, NV--AZ MSA 126,101
Macon, GA MSA 121,107
Denver--Boulder--Greeley, CO CMSA 119,829
Phoenix--Mesa, AZ MSA 119,509
Oklahoma City, OK MSA 114,351
Rochester, NY MSA 112,642
Hartford, CT MSA 111,809
Columbus, GA--AL MSA 110,874
Lafayette, LA MSA 108,573
Fayetteville, NC MSA 105,731
San Antonio, TX MSA 105,618
Savannah, GA MSA 102,15
Austin--San Marcos, TX MSA 99,432
Beaumont--Port Arthur, TX MSA 95,494
Tallahassee, FL MSA 95,467
Grand Rapids--Muskegon--Holland, MI MSA 79,335
Toledo, OH MSA 78,911
Huntsville, AL MSA 71,777
Tulsa, OK MSA 70,867
Biloxi--Gulfport--Pascagoula, MS MSA 70,350
Pensacola, FL MSA 68,010
Chattanooga, TN--GA MSA 66,229
Lakeland--Winter Haven, FL MSA 65,545
Killeen--Temple, TX MSA 64,968
Rocky Mount, NC MSA 61,613
Albany, GA MSA 61,600
Youngstown--Warren, OH MSA 61,130
Omaha, NE--IA MSA 59,447
Portland--Salem, OR--WA CMSA 54,227
Look at this list and the numbers, and THINK about what they mean.
Total Black Population
New York--Northern New Jersey--Long Island, NYCMSA 3,638,570
Washington--Baltimore, DC--MD--VA--WV CMSA 1,992,266
Chicago--Gary--Kenosha, IL--IN--WI CMSA 1,707,618
Los Angeles--Riverside--Orange County, CA CMSA 1,245,039
Philadelphia--Wilmington--Atlantic City, PA--NJ--DE--MD CMSA 1,210,846
Atlanta, GA MSA 1,189,179
Detroit--Ann Arbor--Flint, MI CMSA 1,149,331
Miami--Fort Lauderdale, FL CMSA 790,518
Houston--Galveston--Brazoria, TX CMSA 789,489
Dallas--Fort Worth, TX CMSA 720,133
San Francisco--Oakland--San Jose, CA CMSA 513,561
New Orleans, LA MSA 502,251
Cleveland--Akron, OH CMSA 493,492
Memphis, TN--AR--MS MSA 492,531
Norfolk--Virginia Beach--Newport News, VA--NC MSA 485,368
St. Louis, MO--IL MSA 476,716
Charlotte--Gastonia--Rock Hill, NC--SC MSA 307,886
Richmond--Petersburg, VA MSA 300,457
Boston--Worcester--Lawrence, MA--NH--ME--CT CMSA 299,018
Birmingham, AL MSA 277,083
Raleigh--Durham--Chapel Hill, NC MSA 269,932
Milwaukee--Racine, WI CMSA 254,810
Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, NC MSA 252,688
Tampa--St. Petersburg--Clearwater, FL MSA 244,455
Jacksonville, FL MSA 238,444
San Juan--Caguas--Arecibo, PR CMSA 232,644
Cincinnati--Hamilton, OH--KY--IN CMSA 231,006
Orlando, FL MSA 227,868
Kansas City, MO--KS MSA 226,503
Indianapolis, IN MSA 223,974
Columbus, OH MSA 206,136
Jackson, MS MSA 201,027
Baton Rouge, LA MSA 192,605
Nashville, TN MSA 191,876
Pittsburgh, PA MSA 190,511
Columbia, SC MSA 172,083
Charleston--North Charleston, SC MSA 169,079
Greenville--Spartanburg--Anderson, SC MSA 168,081
Seattle--Tacoma--Bremerton, WA CMSA 165,938
Augusta--Aiken, GA--SC MSA 164,019
San Diego, CA MSA 161,480
Minneapolis--St. Paul, MN--WI MSA 157,963
West Palm Beach--Boca Raton, FL MSA 156,055
Mobile, AL MSA 147,909
Shreveport--Bossier City, LA MSA 146,686
Louisville, KY--IN MSA 142,760
Buffalo--Niagara Falls, NY MSA 137,049
Dayton--Springfield, OH MSA 135,330
Montgomery, AL MSA 129,653
Sacramento--Yolo, CA CMSA 128,073
Little Rock--North Little Rock, AR MSA 127,737
Las Vegas, NV--AZ MSA 126,101
Macon, GA MSA 121,107
Denver--Boulder--Greeley, CO CMSA 119,829
Phoenix--Mesa, AZ MSA 119,509
Oklahoma City, OK MSA 114,351
Rochester, NY MSA 112,642
Hartford, CT MSA 111,809
Columbus, GA--AL MSA 110,874
Lafayette, LA MSA 108,573
Fayetteville, NC MSA 105,731
San Antonio, TX MSA 105,618
Savannah, GA MSA 102,15
Austin--San Marcos, TX MSA 99,432
Beaumont--Port Arthur, TX MSA 95,494
Tallahassee, FL MSA 95,467
Grand Rapids--Muskegon--Holland, MI MSA 79,335
Toledo, OH MSA 78,911
Huntsville, AL MSA 71,777
Tulsa, OK MSA 70,867
Biloxi--Gulfport--Pascagoula, MS MSA 70,350
Pensacola, FL MSA 68,010
Chattanooga, TN--GA MSA 66,229
Lakeland--Winter Haven, FL MSA 65,545
Killeen--Temple, TX MSA 64,968
Rocky Mount, NC MSA 61,613
Albany, GA MSA 61,600
Youngstown--Warren, OH MSA 61,130
Omaha, NE--IA MSA 59,447
Portland--Salem, OR--WA CMSA 54,227
You're Just A Dumb Muthafucka That Thinks He Knows Everything, I SHould COme To Bellingham And Slap You In The Muthafuckin Face. Nigga WHy The Fuck You Think IM OUt Here In Tacoma, Cause Im FUckin WIt Higher Heads, WHy The Fuck You Think My FOlks ARe In Los Angeles Cauyse We Gettin Our Paper, Donty BE A Bitch Cause You Cant Get No Love, Cause Muthafucka I Get My Love Throughout The Bay And The Northwest, SO Suck On Ya Pacifier Or Man The Fuck Up, I AInt Bangin On Net Nigga,m But If It COmes To It We Can Do Whatever...BITCH
The South has black people. The NorthWest doesn't. We're the whitest region in the country, and adding in Montana, most of Idaho and these other places only makes us Whiter and Whiter.
And before you respond with the predictable: There is a big difference between Racism and Pragmatics, ESPECIALLY as it relates to Hip-Hop.
Ending on the most positive note:
Great question (and I don't mean to sound like I'm patronizing you.)
What I'm mostly saying is, when it comes time to do the Mixtapes, DVDs, Magazines, etc., the places [roughly] outside of the map I drew should not be given the same considerations as the places inside of the map. The next natural step is that cities like Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, Van City, Spokane, etc. should receive considerations over ones like Pullman, Bellingham and so on.
It is great when an artist says, "This album has something for everybody. You can play it all the way through" -- Unfortunately, these are almost always mutually exclusive ideas, because EVERYBODY doesn't like EVERYTHING. The vast majority of people like SOME THINGS, ignore MOST OTHERS, and the tiny sliver that is left, they just plain HATE. -- We must learn from this lesson and apply it to our New Media considerations.
I am not saying there should be no artists from these areas, and that the artists there shouldn't be releasing albums.....but they need to know their place.
And before you respond with the predictable: There is a big difference between Racism and Pragmatics, ESPECIALLY as it relates to Hip-Hop.
Ending on the most positive note:
Great question (and I don't mean to sound like I'm patronizing you.)
What I'm mostly saying is, when it comes time to do the Mixtapes, DVDs, Magazines, etc., the places [roughly] outside of the map I drew should not be given the same considerations as the places inside of the map. The next natural step is that cities like Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, Van City, Spokane, etc. should receive considerations over ones like Pullman, Bellingham and so on.
It is great when an artist says, "This album has something for everybody. You can play it all the way through" -- Unfortunately, these are almost always mutually exclusive ideas, because EVERYBODY doesn't like EVERYTHING. The vast majority of people like SOME THINGS, ignore MOST OTHERS, and the tiny sliver that is left, they just plain HATE. -- We must learn from this lesson and apply it to our New Media considerations.
I am not saying there should be no artists from these areas, and that the artists there shouldn't be releasing albums.....but they need to know their place.
Then come up here to Bellingham. Ask around MY NIGGA, I've been trying to get my ass kicked for weeks now.
Don't get it fucked up, you're bangin on the net. I don't know shit about you and you're talking to me like I done fucked your bitch, slept with your sister or sold you some bad dope. Sound like a personal issue to me. Only problem is, I don't respond to E-Intimidation. So go play somewhere else or see me when you see me.
1) BLACK PEOPLE.
2) MULTIPLE ARTISTS (NOT JUST ONE--MIX A LOT)
3) SOLID FOUNDATIONS, BUILT MANY YEARS AGO.
Are you daft, sir? The whole Opinions-Assholesthing is, 98% of the time, used by those that are INCAPABLE of making an argument. In reality...NO...All opinions are NOT created equal. In reality...NO...Buy.com is NOT EVER going to compare to Amazon.com, Wendy's is NOT EVER going to compare to McDonalds, and New Balance is NOT EVER going to compare to Nike.
My opinions shit all over yours....that is the bottom line. You don't even make arguments--you just complain.
If only I cared. What you're doing right now is the equivalent of fat, overweight women trying to get hired at Victoria's Secret. It doesn't MATTER if fat, overweight women "wear Victoria's Secret too!"--the reality is that the majority of women who wear Victoria's Secret are, in fact, NOT fat and overweight. A few fat, overweight models here and there would be great.....but there is nothing whatsoever that COMPELS V.S. to hire such people.
As I will explain later, the idea isn't to ELIMINATE these people, but rather to arrange our priorities. It makes no sense to give these small-ass nothing towns the same consideration that is given to Seattle, Portland and so on.
And everyone you named is from the same general area, UGK being from Port Arthur which isn't too far away.
But are you saying that T.I. and Slim Thug and Clipse, when all of them were coming up, should have been on the SAME compilations, in the SAME magazines, featured on the SAME DVDs and so on? That would have been career suicide. Nobody in their right mind would stretch themselves out that far.
Send me a copy of the Conference on DVD, and I will watch it. Or...wait...is there no copy? Then send me a copy of the complete transcript and I will read it. Or...wait...is there no copy?
You mean to tell me that the "conference" was nothing more than some cheesy way for fake CEOs and corny artists to present themselves as Ambassadors to Hip-Hop, and declare (with no authority whatsoever) such and such things that need to be done for us to succeed?
Conferences are not what is important. What is important, right now, is reaching people, through the various new medias that are out there. That is the only thing that matters.
That artists would continue to spend 3 years between albums, instead of doing the Duo Albums, Mixtapes, ___ Presents, and so on......that labels would continue to buy 15 condenser mics, instead of 14 and a video camera.........it's all pure ignorance to me.
It just goes to show that most artists in this region really do believe in a Lottery Ticket system, where some rich Multi-Billionaire exec is going to send his finest A&R's out here to sign up the next rap LebRon James, Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant. It's not happening.
Hard work is the ticket. Not some random ass single that takes over the Radio and suddenly the whole country has it memorized by heart within 13 1/2 days.
Don't get it fucked up, you're bangin on the net. I don't know shit about you and you're talking to me like I done fucked your bitch, slept with your sister or sold you some bad dope. Sound like a personal issue to me. Only problem is, I don't respond to E-Intimidation. So go play somewhere else or see me when you see me.
1) BLACK PEOPLE.
2) MULTIPLE ARTISTS (NOT JUST ONE--MIX A LOT)
3) SOLID FOUNDATIONS, BUILT MANY YEARS AGO.
Are you daft, sir? The whole Opinions-Assholesthing is, 98% of the time, used by those that are INCAPABLE of making an argument. In reality...NO...All opinions are NOT created equal. In reality...NO...Buy.com is NOT EVER going to compare to Amazon.com, Wendy's is NOT EVER going to compare to McDonalds, and New Balance is NOT EVER going to compare to Nike.
My opinions shit all over yours....that is the bottom line. You don't even make arguments--you just complain.
If only I cared. What you're doing right now is the equivalent of fat, overweight women trying to get hired at Victoria's Secret. It doesn't MATTER if fat, overweight women "wear Victoria's Secret too!"--the reality is that the majority of women who wear Victoria's Secret are, in fact, NOT fat and overweight. A few fat, overweight models here and there would be great.....but there is nothing whatsoever that COMPELS V.S. to hire such people.
As I will explain later, the idea isn't to ELIMINATE these people, but rather to arrange our priorities. It makes no sense to give these small-ass nothing towns the same consideration that is given to Seattle, Portland and so on.
And everyone you named is from the same general area, UGK being from Port Arthur which isn't too far away.
But are you saying that T.I. and Slim Thug and Clipse, when all of them were coming up, should have been on the SAME compilations, in the SAME magazines, featured on the SAME DVDs and so on? That would have been career suicide. Nobody in their right mind would stretch themselves out that far.
Send me a copy of the Conference on DVD, and I will watch it. Or...wait...is there no copy? Then send me a copy of the complete transcript and I will read it. Or...wait...is there no copy?
You mean to tell me that the "conference" was nothing more than some cheesy way for fake CEOs and corny artists to present themselves as Ambassadors to Hip-Hop, and declare (with no authority whatsoever) such and such things that need to be done for us to succeed?
Conferences are not what is important. What is important, right now, is reaching people, through the various new medias that are out there. That is the only thing that matters.
That artists would continue to spend 3 years between albums, instead of doing the Duo Albums, Mixtapes, ___ Presents, and so on......that labels would continue to buy 15 condenser mics, instead of 14 and a video camera.........it's all pure ignorance to me.
It just goes to show that most artists in this region really do believe in a Lottery Ticket system, where some rich Multi-Billionaire exec is going to send his finest A&R's out here to sign up the next rap LebRon James, Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant. It's not happening.
Hard work is the ticket. Not some random ass single that takes over the Radio and suddenly the whole country has it memorized by heart within 13 1/2 days.
COME ON.....
Fuck the NW vs The Bay....we aint even on a level to be competing with any other region right now.....We only got so many cats out here actually makin moves.....In reality it almost seems likethe NW vs Itself.....look at this thread.... yall cant even get along on here....shit is funny to me.....
Fuck the NW vs The Bay....we aint even on a level to be competing with any other region right now.....We only got so many cats out here actually makin moves.....In reality it almost seems likethe NW vs Itself.....look at this thread.... yall cant even get along on here....shit is funny to me.....
I heard Missoula gets it crackin!!!
And shouldnt the fact that theres so many white people help the sales?? I mean it's proven that white people account for most of the rap albums that are sold in the country.
It's been said before, you gotta make noise in your own region before you make noise nationally. So who's gonna make the most noise? The muthafuckas that make music for the teenage girls. All of them listen to this shit. it doesnt have to do with the size of the region.
And shouldnt the fact that theres so many white people help the sales?? I mean it's proven that white people account for most of the rap albums that are sold in the country.
It's been said before, you gotta make noise in your own region before you make noise nationally. So who's gonna make the most noise? The muthafuckas that make music for the teenage girls. All of them listen to this shit. it doesnt have to do with the size of the region.
I am going to school you on something here. I believe that good music is good music regardless of where it comes from, and that there are grimey people in every town no matter how small it may be. This may or may not be true, but it is what I believe and it appears this is how the majority of people on this board feel as well. However, those of you assuming that this statement holds true for anyone else are making the common mistake of assuming what you believe, everyone else does as well. You need to think in the mindset of the average nerdy ass record purchasing individual who really does care about these things, the type of person who talks about the Garden Blocc all day cause they heard Brotha Lynch rap about it.
What is the first thing the avg fan is yapping about as soon as a new artists break out? Where is this guy from, what does he rep, where did he go to school, is he in a gang etc. You know this is true regardless of whether you believe it yourself or not.
Can you imagine someone from WA tryna rep Cle Elum, that shit would not fly on a national level. No kids from TX or AZ or wherever are gonna be feelin an artist out of Shithole Wa as soon as they find our where they are from. You gotta be able to understand who is buying CDs and what they care about. The only places that MAY get respect outside of our area are the Seattle- Tacoma, and Portland – Vancouver areas, and that is stretch in and of itself for the reasons that Xpanther already listed.
People on a national level don’t fuck with NW artists because they know the business and they know that we have no credibility outside of our own borders. I am talking purely business here, and I have had the privilege to talk with some established industry folks and play some of my favorite NW music for them. They are usually feeling the music, but they all say the same thing, “its from Seattle and everybody still equates Seattle with grunge and Nirvana.”
In order to increase our regions creditability and possibility for success, it would be beneficial to “cut the loose fat” and start building up the areas that could be successful outside of our region; Seattle – Tacoma and Portland – Vancouver. No artists from Ellensburg, Spokane, Pasco, Shithole Wa, will ever be successful on a national or even west coast level.
What is the first thing the avg fan is yapping about as soon as a new artists break out? Where is this guy from, what does he rep, where did he go to school, is he in a gang etc. You know this is true regardless of whether you believe it yourself or not.
Can you imagine someone from WA tryna rep Cle Elum, that shit would not fly on a national level. No kids from TX or AZ or wherever are gonna be feelin an artist out of Shithole Wa as soon as they find our where they are from. You gotta be able to understand who is buying CDs and what they care about. The only places that MAY get respect outside of our area are the Seattle- Tacoma, and Portland – Vancouver areas, and that is stretch in and of itself for the reasons that Xpanther already listed.
People on a national level don’t fuck with NW artists because they know the business and they know that we have no credibility outside of our own borders. I am talking purely business here, and I have had the privilege to talk with some established industry folks and play some of my favorite NW music for them. They are usually feeling the music, but they all say the same thing, “its from Seattle and everybody still equates Seattle with grunge and Nirvana.”
In order to increase our regions creditability and possibility for success, it would be beneficial to “cut the loose fat” and start building up the areas that could be successful outside of our region; Seattle – Tacoma and Portland – Vancouver. No artists from Ellensburg, Spokane, Pasco, Shithole Wa, will ever be successful on a national or even west coast level.
Thank you.
I still say no need to exclude though, it is pointless. When it becomes not pointless is when somebody is putting together a NW compilation and somebody wack from one of these outlying areas wants on, don't let them on.
I don't think the region is ever going to blow, who gives a fuck, let's just enjoy the music for ourselves and pray to God that some of these deserving people can eat off of music one day. D-Sane has sort of disappeared on us, shutting down SLR and all, but he's finally making some big-time bread now, and he deserves it for what he gave us.
I still say no need to exclude though, it is pointless. When it becomes not pointless is when somebody is putting together a NW compilation and somebody wack from one of these outlying areas wants on, don't let them on.
I don't think the region is ever going to blow, who gives a fuck, let's just enjoy the music for ourselves and pray to God that some of these deserving people can eat off of music one day. D-Sane has sort of disappeared on us, shutting down SLR and all, but he's finally making some big-time bread now, and he deserves it for what he gave us.
What I want to know (once again...here we go) is.....
How can Tadou try to diagnose a problem he really hasn't had to deal with? He thinks the NW scene is just what he sees on the internet. There is a shitload of people who AREN'T on the Siccness ya know.
Trust me Doofy...there are plenty of people that are doin' all the things that you've been rambling about. DVD's...mixtapes...all that. The problems are much bigger than that and many of them begin with...
#1. Financing. It takes money to make money. We should ALL know that.
#2. Lack of business support (i.e. radio, TV, newspaper, clubs, etc.)
But what do I know? I'm just in the trenches on the front line where I've been for 8 years now while Tadou is sittin' in the cozy confines of wherever he is watchin' the shit on TV.
How can you talk about shit you don't know about??????? I don't fuckin' get it. You're not HERE! You've never tried to get your music on the radio here. You've never booked a show. You've never tried to get a store to stock your album. How can you talk about anything when you have absolutely no experience???!?!?! For fucks sake just shut the fuck up already. Talkin' all this shit and provoking people and disrespecting cats is not goin' to help anything. It never has and it never will. Leave the real business to the NW Hip-Hop Generals like myself and follow the leaders. OK? Thanks for your cooperation.:ermm:
How can Tadou try to diagnose a problem he really hasn't had to deal with? He thinks the NW scene is just what he sees on the internet. There is a shitload of people who AREN'T on the Siccness ya know.
Trust me Doofy...there are plenty of people that are doin' all the things that you've been rambling about. DVD's...mixtapes...all that. The problems are much bigger than that and many of them begin with...
#1. Financing. It takes money to make money. We should ALL know that.
#2. Lack of business support (i.e. radio, TV, newspaper, clubs, etc.)
But what do I know? I'm just in the trenches on the front line where I've been for 8 years now while Tadou is sittin' in the cozy confines of wherever he is watchin' the shit on TV.
How can you talk about shit you don't know about??????? I don't fuckin' get it. You're not HERE! You've never tried to get your music on the radio here. You've never booked a show. You've never tried to get a store to stock your album. How can you talk about anything when you have absolutely no experience???!?!?! For fucks sake just shut the fuck up already. Talkin' all this shit and provoking people and disrespecting cats is not goin' to help anything. It never has and it never will. Leave the real business to the NW Hip-Hop Generals like myself and follow the leaders. OK? Thanks for your cooperation.:ermm:
Already booked shows, sport.
Already been requested and booked FOR shows as well.
Already tried to get the album in stores.
Already been on the radio.
Already done all of these things, but in you and your little world, unless it happened in Seattle, it didn't happen at all.
In regards to what I say on these forums.......In case you didn't notice up there, that was our friend Nonstop saying that there are people out there in the Music Business, behind the scenes, that would basically be lowering themselves to post here, that agree with many of the things I say.
What have you to say to that, D-Sane? Are you prepared to call this man Nonstop a liar? Lord knows you'll never admit that I'm right a lot of the time, because seeing as though you argue with me every chance you get, that would mean you're WRONG a lot of the time.
Already been requested and booked FOR shows as well.
Already tried to get the album in stores.
Already been on the radio.
Already done all of these things, but in you and your little world, unless it happened in Seattle, it didn't happen at all.
In regards to what I say on these forums.......In case you didn't notice up there, that was our friend Nonstop saying that there are people out there in the Music Business, behind the scenes, that would basically be lowering themselves to post here, that agree with many of the things I say.
What have you to say to that, D-Sane? Are you prepared to call this man Nonstop a liar? Lord knows you'll never admit that I'm right a lot of the time, because seeing as though you argue with me every chance you get, that would mean you're WRONG a lot of the time.
Now if I may:
#1. Financing. It takes money to make money. We should ALL know that.
#2. Lack of business support (i.e. radio, TV, newspaper, clubs, etc.)
So, #1 money, and #2 respect. Those excuses again that minimalize and generalize all the REAL PROBLEMS AND ISSUES that are being faced.
There's no coolness in listening to underground music. It's not whats hot. Unless there's a music video or a dance or some other gimmick (say, a $2 mixtape), these $8-10 albums and flimsy T-Shirts don't stand a fuckin chance.
Financing isn't the problem. Broke people are the problem. STINGY PEOPLE are the problem. This region is JAM-PACKED with people that will say shit like "Naw, man, I can't afford to loan you $20", and meanwhile they're smoking a pack of cigarettes a day and drinking 2 case of beer a week.
These people MUST BE convinced. There IS NO other way. Giving them the Top-20 Radio treatment is not enough. Handing some random artist $50,000 to put together an album is not enough. We're at ground-up status.
NWRAP.com will be a great start. People will have a place to go to to get (3 TOs in 4 words...eh!) a general idea of what is going on. Then NorthWestRap.com will come online, and they will start to make decisions.
Do they want to go with the best-case scenario, the 51%, be the Blackjack dealer? They will go to NWRAP.COM. -- Do they want to see what happens, take the first penalty shot, be the Hit-Me sayer instead of the card-flipper? They will be at NorthWestRap.com.
Again......if we get nothing else out of this thread, let's all just agree that this region is VERY FUCKING HUGE, and that we DESPERATELY need a large website that we can start filling up with information.
The Compression and Gating must start now. The Reverb and FX can be added later.
#1. Financing. It takes money to make money. We should ALL know that.
#2. Lack of business support (i.e. radio, TV, newspaper, clubs, etc.)
So, #1 money, and #2 respect. Those excuses again that minimalize and generalize all the REAL PROBLEMS AND ISSUES that are being faced.
There's no coolness in listening to underground music. It's not whats hot. Unless there's a music video or a dance or some other gimmick (say, a $2 mixtape), these $8-10 albums and flimsy T-Shirts don't stand a fuckin chance.
Financing isn't the problem. Broke people are the problem. STINGY PEOPLE are the problem. This region is JAM-PACKED with people that will say shit like "Naw, man, I can't afford to loan you $20", and meanwhile they're smoking a pack of cigarettes a day and drinking 2 case of beer a week.
These people MUST BE convinced. There IS NO other way. Giving them the Top-20 Radio treatment is not enough. Handing some random artist $50,000 to put together an album is not enough. We're at ground-up status.
NWRAP.com will be a great start. People will have a place to go to to get (3 TOs in 4 words...eh!) a general idea of what is going on. Then NorthWestRap.com will come online, and they will start to make decisions.
Do they want to go with the best-case scenario, the 51%, be the Blackjack dealer? They will go to NWRAP.COM. -- Do they want to see what happens, take the first penalty shot, be the Hit-Me sayer instead of the card-flipper? They will be at NorthWestRap.com.
Again......if we get nothing else out of this thread, let's all just agree that this region is VERY FUCKING HUGE, and that we DESPERATELY need a large website that we can start filling up with information.
The Compression and Gating must start now. The Reverb and FX can be added later.