That organ sound that Ric Rock pimps in all his shit

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Look fool, it was obvious to me from the begining of this thread that you know your way around a studio and you know Ric Rock or what not. And you started giving your input on what YOU think he should do to his studio. I said that was some comedy shit, and you start throwin a hissy fit trying to educate me on who you are and what you mean to the Rick Roc camp. What, is it that you want some credit for being his technical advisor or some shit? You even said yourself that it was "highly unlikely" that he would follow your suggestion. My point was let the man do what he do because it is obviously working. And wether his success is due in part to some of your advice, well who the fuck knows or cares. Look, I just wanted to know what organ he used and you gave your insider input, cool. But you keep trying to prove to me what you know and what I dont know all because of the fact that I thought your advising was lame. And I didnt ask your knowlege of miking drums, how much Denton charges, how much money he would be saving and what not. You trying to impress me? Then you start spoutin off like "Oh, Ima score an NBA documentary" "I done 3 projects Ive been paid for" "I sold Ric Rock my hard disk recorder" What? You want that shit on the liner notes? "Hard disk recorder provided by - Heresy" So what you trying to do? Showoff? You in 5th grade or what? Its just childish, and Im trying to squash it already.
 
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So which organ does Rick Rock use again? Come on guys calm down. Both of you made valid points in your arguments but lets get back to the point. Which is what the sound comes off of. If it was answered at some point please forgive me for not seeing it. I gave up reading during the "Hard drive provided by" line. In all honesty I really don't care what the sound is from. To me all of ricks shit sounds the same and I really don't care for his style. Well I take that back that joint on the Method Man album was hot but it too sounded like some other song. Now there is a bass sound on that MicroKorg you guys were talking about that I would love to have so why don't you guys play nice and sample that for me and we can all go back to being friends again. We are all here for the advancement of this hip hop thing so lets try to stay focused and work together to get where we need to go.
Wow I sounded like KRS-ONE and shit.
 

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^^^^If the thread starter gave a couple of examples of songs I would ask him. ***MANY*** people confuse organ sounds with keyboard sounds but the majority of workstations and modules seperate them. Yes some of them sound alike but it's ANYONES guess until this guy list some examples.


To me all of ricks shit sounds the same and I really don't care for his style. Well I take that back that joint on the Method Man album was hot but it too sounded like some other song.


That track is tight and to be honest it sounds like the MOTHER MOTHER track XZIBIT has on his weapons of mass destruction album. Have you heard it? The first time I heard mother mother was when I played def jam NEW YORK for gamecube.


@Melo the LAST post I made to you was not to offend you pimpin. It was ment to clarify and set you straight on a couple of issues. Keep in mind that I don't give shit about "the rick rock camp". Do you see me answering every rick rock or fed related thread? NO so stop saying DUMB SHIT. You say you're trying to squash it but shit wouldn't need to be squashed if you had come correct from the gates. You say you want to squash it but you keep making petty insults.


What, is it that you want some credit for being his technical advisor or some shit?

Considering you don't know BASIC midi I can be YOUR tech advisor. I can teach you how to send CC RAMPS all day long. My tech advisory skills just paid for a new workstation. What have yours paid for?

You even said yourself that it was "highly unlikely" that he would follow your suggestion.

NO THATS NOT WHAT I SAID JUNIOR. HERE IS WHAT I SAID:

IF HE PLANS ON OPENING TO THE PUBLIC (HIGHLY UNLIKELY) HE WOULD HAVE TO REVAMP HIS SET UP.


How is that ANY indication of following or not following my suggestion?!? :confused:


And wether his success is due in part to some of your advice, well who the fuck knows or cares.


His success is do to Gods blessings, his talent, his business connects and work ethic. I take no credit for his success and have no need to take credit for his success. It's comments like that "who the fuck knows or cares" that will CONTINUE to keep it going and going and going and going and going and going and going.....

But you keep trying to prove to me what you know and what I dont know all because of the fact that I thought your advising was lame.


I don't need to prove anything at this point because its already been proven. A person who doesnt understand latency and basic midi is questioning my advice. LOL!


And I didnt ask your knowlege of miking drums, how much Denton charges, how much money he would be saving and what not. You trying to impress me?


No you didn't ask but I asked YOU. If you think someones advice is comedy why don't YOU explain what he needs or better yet why don't YOU stop seeking advice about basic midi? IF YOU DON'T KNOW *ANYTHING* ABOUT RECORDING WHY ARE YOU QUESTIONING SOMEONES ADVICE? ESPECIALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS WORKED WITH THE PERSON IN QUESTION, HAS SOLD EQUIPMENT TO HIS GROUP, GETS PAID TO MIX FOR CLIENTS, HAS HIS OWN STUDIO, IS ON COMMERCIAL RELEASES, HAS PROJECTS OF HIS OWN IN THE WORKS AND GETS PAID FOR HIS TECH KNOWLEDGE? NOT TO MENTION ANSWERING QUESTIONS ON THIS FORUM....... :hurt:


"I sold Ric Rock my hard disk recorder"


ANOTHER MISQUOTE:

Oh yeah I was the one who sold them MY hard disk recorder so they could do the KINSMOKE mix tape. TICK WAS THE ONE WHO PURCHASED IT YOU IMBECILE.


Heres another illogical statement you made:

What? You want that shit on the liner notes?

No CA$H is fine by me. I took that cash and spent it on a Korg karma one of my four workstations...just curious you have how many?


"Hard disk recorder provided by - Heresy"

see the above junior.


You in 5th grade or what? Its just childish, and Im trying to squash it already.

You're trying to squash it with lines like:


Look fool,

What, is it that you want some credit for being his technical advisor or some shit?

well who the fuck knows or cares.



thats called squashing it? LMAO! BTW I gave my input on what he should do with his lab based on going to his lab, looking at his gear, and understanding what he plans to do in the future. Now once again based on his current set up and room it would be damn near IMPOSSIBLE to use that drum set.


Now if you want to squash it squash it but the more you talk shit the more i'm gonna brag, talk shit, prove you to be an idiot, make money, make money,make money and oh yeah.....make money....



:hgk:
 
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HERESY said:
My tech advisory skills just paid for a new workstation. What have yours paid for?

I don't need to prove anything at this point because its already been proven. A person who doesnt understand latency and basic midi is questioning my advice. LOL!

IF YOU DON'T KNOW *ANYTHING* ABOUT RECORDING WHY ARE YOU QUESTIONING SOMEONES ADVICE? ESPECIALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS WORKED WITH THE PERSON IN QUESTION, HAS SOLD EQUIPMENT TO HIS GROUP, GETS PAID TO MIX FOR CLIENTS, HAS HIS OWN STUDIO, IS ON COMMERCIAL RELEASES, HAS PROJECTS OF HIS OWN IN THE WORKS AND GETS PAID FOR HIS TECH KNOWLEDGE? NOT TO MENTION ANSWERING QUESTIONS ON THIS FORUM....... :hurt:

No CA$H is fine by me. I took that cash and spent it on a Korg karma one of my four workstations...just curious you have how many?

BTW I gave my input on what he should do with his lab based on going to his lab, looking at his gear, and understanding what he plans to do in the future..

Now if you want to squash it squash it but the more you talk shit the more i'm gonna brag, talk shit, prove you to be an idiot, make money, make money,make money and oh yeah.....make money....
Thats all you got is bragging, on some shit that you may or may not have done. I dont know you, and once again I dont give a fuck about you or what you have done.

Second of all, I never questioned your advice. I laughed at your suggestions for Rick Roc, I keep trying to tell you that, but I guess that I was SOOOOOO insulting that you have to keep saying the same shit over and over without listening to what Ive said. Trying to prove yourself to me. I guess youre just mad because I dont give a fuck about you or what youve done.

And what, it isnt obvious that you got all asshurt from the jump? "WHY YOU QUESTION MY ADIVCE... WHY YOU QUESTION MY ADVICE... I DID THIS, THIS AND THAT... MY SKILLS PAID FOR THIS, THIS AND THAT...WHAT YOU GOT?"

You just keep spoutin off with defensive lines and attack with brags in every post. Its pointless to talk to you, this whole thread has become pointless. So whatever man this is stupid, Im done. Im not gonna keep responding just so you can have an opportunity to boast about meaningless shit that you say youve done. You suckered me into letting you list off your resume... now we're all enlightened by all the shit you got, all the stuff you know, all the studios youve visited, all the gear you sold, and your cousin is from The Federation. You happy? Peace.
 
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And to give an answer to the original post. Any current rom-based module/workstation is capable of recreating just about any organ sound you want. You just have to edit the patches on your own. Keep in mind that many patches are made up of the same waveforms or different combinations of waveforms. Chances are that if you flip through a Fantom or a Triton you'll find something close to what you want.

You just gotta' put in some work and get into the nitty gritty aspect of patch programming and learn what each function does. But the more you learn the easier things get.
 

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@ melo I'm not gonna keep going back and fourth with you pimpin. FORGET ABOUT RICK ROCKS ORGAN. LETS TALK ABOUT THE MODULATED AND DELAYED ORGAN I USED ON THE OSCYI & TURF TALK SONG "WHATCHA SAYIN?". I feel thats more important. So important I might load it up and let you hear it....just so I can brag. :devious:


KNOW THIS. IF *ANYONE* COMES AT ME SIDEWAYS I *WILL* RESPOND SIDEWAYS. For clarification purposes I *will* correct some of your errors. Lets start with this:


Thats all you got is bragging, on some shit that you may or may not have done.


WHOEVER I MENTIONED AND WHATEVER I SAID I HAVE DONE CAN BE VERIFIED BY AT LEAST 10 PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD WHO GET DOWN WITH ME. IT CAN ALSO BE VERIFIED BY THE PERSON.....

END OF DISCUSSION.

Second of all, I never questioned your advice. I laughed at your suggestions for Rick Roc, I keep trying to tell you that, but I guess that I was SOOOOOO insulting that you have to keep saying the same shit over and over without listening to what Ive said.

NO YOU GOT IT WRONG BIG DOG. I *HAVE* LISTENED/READ WHAT YOU SAID/POSTED. THE ONLY THING IS YOU HAVENT SAID MUCH OF ANYTHING. MY QUESTION TO *YOU* IS *WHY* ARE YOU LAUGHING WHEN YOU KNOW *NOTHING* AND I REPEAT NOTHING ABOUT ME, THE COMPOUND OR *RECORDING*?


Trying to prove yourself to me. I guess youre just mad because I dont give a fuck about you or what youve done.


CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING. MELO IS PROBABLY NOT KNOWN OUTSIDE OF A 100 MILE RADIUS. MELO PROBABLY DOESNT HAVE THE BUDGET TO DO ANY REAL RECORDING, MELO DOESNT HAVE ANY TECH KNOWLEDGE RELEVENT TO RECORDING, MELO IS NOT A PAYING CLIENT OF MINE. WITH THAT BEING SAID WHY WOULD I BE MAD ABOUT YOU NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT ME? WHY SHOULD I BE MAD ABOUT MELO WHEN I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT MELO OR WHAT MELO HAS DONE?


And what, it isnt obvious that you got all asshurt from the jump? "WHY YOU QUESTION MY ADIVCE... WHY YOU QUESTION MY ADVICE... I DID THIS, THIS AND THAT... MY SKILLS PAID FOR THIS, THIS AND THAT...WHAT YOU GOT?"


ONCE AGAIN WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION *ANYONE* WHEN YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND BASIC MIDI? :( WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION ANYONE WHEN YOU'VE NEVER HAD TO RUN A STUDIO SESSION IN YOUR LIFE? BEFORE YOU LAUGH AND SAY WHAT IS OR ISNT COMEDY MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT.

You just keep spoutin off with defensive lines and attack with brags in every post.

BECAUSE YOU KEEP TALKING NONSENSE.


Its pointless to talk to you, this whole thread has become pointless.

NO IT'S POINTLESS TO TALK TO YOU. A PERSON WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND BASIC MIDI BUT QUESTIONS THE ADVICE OF SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY MAKES MONEY BY GIVING ADVICE..... :hurt:

So whatever man this is stupid, Im done. Im not gonna keep responding just so you can have an opportunity to boast about meaningless shit that you say youve done.


IT'S MEANINGLESS TO YOU BUT IT'S NOT MEANINGLESS TO ME WHEN IT PAYS FOR THIS AND THAT....

now we're all enlightened by all the shit you got, all the stuff you know, all the studios youve visited, all the gear you sold, and your cousin is from The Federation. You happy? Peace.

HAPPY? NO. I WOULD LIKE TO ENLIGHTEN YOU ABOUT THE RECENT TRACK I DID FOR....LOL...NAW FORGET IT. BTW HE'S MY NEPHEW NOT MY COUSIN AND PLEASE PRAY FOR HIM WHILE HE IS TRAVELLING THE COUNTRY.


PEACE.


:HGK:


WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS MYSTERIOUS ORGAN SOUND?
 
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My ears tell me that Ric Rock is definately using a Vintage Keys Plus still. Example: "If I Had A Gun" off the Federation album uses a bass sound from the Vintage Keys Plus module that I used on an Andre Nickatina song a few years back. I could be wrong though. I recognize other E-Mu patches in his music. I don't know which organ you're talking about though. To you it might sound like an organ but in actuality it might be another instrument. But if it is an organ, it's probably from the Morpheus, Proteus, Vintage Keys, Planet Phatt or MoPhatt. Probably.

With all of the back and forth, I'm not sure if the actual question was addressed.
 
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^^^ The "organ sound" that I guess Im thinking of is the sound that he uses like right in the begining of "Cant Deny It", that long tone in the begining, then it breaks up into smaller notes as the intro progresses like he's tappin the key. That sound. He seems to use it alot (or if not the same sound, then simular ones to it) and Im just curious what it may come from.
 
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Oh. That's a rhodes patch but it's played on the low end. It's probably the Wurlizter Patch off of Vintage Keys Plus or something similar.
 
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nonstop_ga said:
if anyone can give any advice itd prolly be heresy.... but the sound is prolly a wurlitzer... play it in the bass keys and add a low end sine noise and your more then 90% of the way there
What he said. Didn't see this before I posted
 
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rhodes are a more smooth sound.. like a jazzy electric piano... im thinkin its the wurly sound hes talkin about.. id need to listen to the track.... but i hear a wurlitzer or sumthin similar in alot of his older production
 

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he does have the vintage keys module. The thing about these patches are every other module will have the same sample or a similar one. They each differ on how the sound/patch can be processed ala 12 step filters, oscillators, amps,wave form shapes etc etc etc.


DENY IT is that sound with nate dogg on the hook right? You can get that sound by playing a *KEYBOARD* patch on the low end. Most modules/workstations seperate the two thats why I say to look into the keyboard patches (the motif es seperates the sounds in this fashion). You can probably get the sound from a B3, or a wultz or rhodes but you're going to have to play it in the bass cleff like MRPEETE suggested.


If you want to really trip it out pan the individual *tones* (these tones are individuals sounds/samples that actually make the PATCH) to the left and right....as with most keyboards (and ALL pianos) you have a strict rule when dealing with STEREO sounds. LOW END/BASS CLEFT=panned to the LEFT. HIGH END/TREBLE CLEFT=panned to the RIGHT.