Terrorist behind September 11 strike was trained by Saddam

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Mar 18, 2003
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Oh, I thought you were telling me that what I said about Nazismin America was a forged lie. Never mind. Nefar559, here you go.

Here is proof that:

1. There is Nazism in America.
2. It is different then it was during Hitler's reign.
3. Fascism is hardley relevant. It is not even talked about.

This is an article I found on the internet. I can find dozens more if you wish to push this any further. The authenticity of this article is not relevant, because if this sort of idea is thought by any groups in America (which is obviously true), my case is rested.

Conservatives Misunderstand Nazism

by J.R. Colson

July 14, 2002

There is a giant obstacle lying in the road toward the mass acceptance of a certain aspect of White nationalism known as "Nazism." That obstacle is only a word, but it is a powerful one: "socialist." Such a word assures that American conservatives will continue to spout naive Madison-and-democracy slogans instead of embracing the only idea that will preserve the White domination of America, and of the West as well.

I cannot fault America's modern Minutemen for being suspicious of Nazism -- or of any movement that has the word "socialist" in it. After all, socialism means a large, leftist, egalitarian welfare state based on the idea that the government's job is to make everybody "equal." Socialism can also mean Communism, since true Communism supposedly does not occur until "the state withers away," and no state ever withers away. But the irony in that description of socialism is that the U.S. is already a country that has a large government dedicated to making all Americans "equal." What American conservatives fear has already become a reality -- all that is missing is socialized medicine and [more] government control of industry.

[...]It is time to embrace a Nazi-type belief system not only in America, but throughout the West, as a means of returning that West to White rule. We need not embrace every single aspect of the old Nazism -- we might want to tailor it slightly to suit our American needs. But Whites created the West, and so Whites must determine its destiny by thinking and acting racially. Conservatives are thinking only politically, and since race alone will determine the future of the West, conservatives must abandon their individualist/big capitalist ideas -- ideas that came from Jews in large part; ideas that only help Jews dominate White culture.

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/index397.htm

Nazism in America is largely based on white supremacy, not Socialism or Fascism. I have seen, with my own eyes, self proclaimed "Nazi's" who don't know what fascism is. My brother spent time in prison for nearly beating one to his grave.

Why is this shit even being questioned?
 
May 8, 2002
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Snubnoze and Heresy said:
JUST CURIOUS WHO TRAINED AND FUNDED THE "ALLEGED" MASTERMIND OF THE 9-11 ATTACKS?
i dont know who trained and funded him. why dont you guys tell us. because i know that we DIDNT train and fund HIM (OBL).

Snubnoze and Heresy said:
OH I FORGOT, WHO TRAINED AND FUNDED SADDAM
we did 20 years ago when he was the lesser of two evils.

and by the way who trained and funded us??? answer-->France

so is France responsible for whatever we do that is wrong??
 
Sep 22, 2003
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Nitro the Guru said:
With respect to America's history of mistakes, nothing suggest's that we can't begin to fix them [America's mistakes]. It doesn't at all suggest that, because U.S. presidents of our past time made huge mistakes, that we can't stop another one from happening.
Good point. You have to examine the past, identify mistakes, criticize the mistakes to fully determine how they were allowed to happened, etc, and then prevent them from happening in the future. I agree whole heartedly with this point.

However, I doubt it really ever happens in our gov't, whether you're talking about libs or conservatives. Just listen to all the "lesser of two evils" bullshit on the radio. People have a really hard time accepting their faults, which makes building on them really fucking hard.
 
May 5, 2002
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Mclean there is no point in debating with you because your an idiot. No matter how many times we go over these issues you still continue to ignore any faults that the US Government has made (aside from ones created by clinton). Your bias and blinded. Why do you think I never post in this forum no more? There is no point...
 
Aug 11, 2002
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Snubnoze said:
Mclean there is no point in debating with you because your an idiot. No matter how many times we go over these issues you still continue to ignore any faults that the US Government has made (aside from ones created by clinton). Your bias and blinded. Why do you think I never post in this forum no more? There is no point...
I agree, 100%
 
May 8, 2002
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Snubnoze said:
Mclean there is no point in debating with you because your an idiot. No matter how many times we go over these issues you still continue to ignore any faults that the US Government has made (aside from ones created by clinton). Your bias and blinded. Why do you think I never post in this forum no more? There is no point...
you made an assumption that we funded Osama and i simply told you that we didnt.

ya of course we trained the Mujahadeen, that is something that is known and that isnt disputed.

and on the second part, i said that yes we did train and fund Hussein years ago and i told you why.

Why do you seem to want to blame America for EVERYTHING???
 
Apr 25, 2002
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Nitro,

Are you sure that our government made a mistake by funding these terriost? I haven't seen any government officials come out and comdemn the actions of the past of funding these people. Face it, the U.S. is trying to protect it's own interest and ours. Saddam and the Mujahadeen were of there interest of that particular time. Just like the U.S. supporting one of the most brutalist rulers of the world Mobutu for 3 decades. That was 3 different presidents that stood behind Mobutu's back. Do you honestly think that 3 different presidents would make a "mistake" like that? Despite knowing what Mobutu did to his people the U.S. gave Mobutu top information to fight any resistance of his rule, so any atempts of a coup was unsuccessful.

Mobutu is one of the most brutalist dictators this world has ever seen and the U.S. has had his back. Aren't we about freedom, liberty and democracy? I'll tell you why the U.S. didn't do shit with Mobutu because Mobutu was the U.S. closest friends despite all the blood on his hands. Why would we split with Mobutu when

1) He gave the U.S. a base in Zaire so they can set up militariily and spy on their neighbors Angola.

2) Mobutu was giving up all his resources for pennies

The fact is Capitalism isn't about morals. If you have a chance to get things at a fraction of a cost no matter what the circumstances are then why not get it? That is exactly what we did.

The U.S. isn't so nice like they're made out to be it's all about you and I not having to pay 10 dollars for gas and having access to resources ver cheap compared to make us happy. Is that such a bad thing? I'll admit that I reap the benefits of others being killed, raped, and suffering.

Just right now the U.S. is very tight lipped about there relations with Obiang Mbasogo the president of Equatorial Guinea. Equatorial Guinea is a tiny country in the Western Region of Africa. It has one of the finest oils in the world and it has an enormous supply of this great oil. However the people of Equatorial Guinea are not seeing any money from there incredible oil supply. Why? Because the president Mbasogo is pocketing the revenues from the operation. The U.S. knows this man is a financial terriost, his bodyguards are supplied by Exxon Mobil. CBS 60 minutes done a little segment of the Equatorial Guinea crisis and OBiang Mbasogo is literally giving up oil for pennies so why condemn him huh? You're happy because we're paying gas much less then people around the world is, Obiang Mbasogo is happy because he has mansions in Washington D.C., Lamborgini's and buys the finest italian suits from Italy weekly.

Thats the way it is....