Suicide

iaoish · Jul 4, 2002

EDJ said:

I don't know the rules to get into heaven ... but if you were let into heaven and you would kill yourself in the time you are on earth [ because of a desease ] are you still allowed into heaven? or not?

I think I would make a list of all things I alway's wanted to do but never would... when I've done them then take my own life ... but that's me...

M-PHIVE · Jul 5, 2002

ITS HELLA EASY PHOR SOMEONE TO SAY "SUICIDE IS THE COWARD WAY OUT", AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT IS, BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH TOO MUCH TO WANNA CONTINUE LIVING AND I TRULY UNDERSTAND THISE PHEELINGS. ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, I ATTEMPTED SUICIDE TWICE IN ONE WEEK, BOTH UNSUCCESSPHUL OBVIOUSLY, BUT MY POINT IS AT THE TIME I HAD SO MUCH PAIN IN MY HEART, I STOPPED BELIEVING IN GOD, BECAUSE I HAD LIVED MY LIPHE AS BEST AS I COULD AND WAS A GOOD PERSON, AND THE WORLD STILL SHIT ON ME...

UNTIL YOU WAKE UP EVERY DAY AND ARE HURTING AND PHEAR PHACING ANOTHER DAY IN PAIN, YOU SHOULDNT COMMENT ON PEOPLE BEING COWARDS PHOR WANTING TO DIE...ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OPH THE PHACT THAT NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES IN GOD AND NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES THERE IS AN APHTERLIPHE WAITING PHOR THEM...

I AM NO LONGER SUICIDAL...BUT WHAT DIDNT KILL ME MADE ME A MUCH STRONGER PERSON, AND BELIEVE U ME THAT I PHEAR NO MAN OR DEATH, BECAUSE DEATH IS MY WAY OUT, AND I CANT WAIT TO GET OUT...

...ABA

HERESY · Jul 5, 2002

MOST OF YOU SOUND LIKE PATHETIC WIMPS WHO WOULD SMOKE THEMSELVES OVER A FEMALE OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MONEY.

1.THE WORLD IS EVIL. THE WORLD COULD GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOU BEING GOOD M-5. IT SEEMS AS IF YOU HAVE BEEN SIFTED.

2.EDJ “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.”

John 5:24

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.”

Matthew 7:21

THAT SHOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I WANT TO DIE SO I CAN COME TO THE "TRUENESS" OF YHWH. SO I CAN EXPERIENCE "LIFE". I DONT WANT TO DIE BECAUSE OF "SELFISH" REASONS. MY REASON FOR WANTING TO DIE IS BASED ON SPIRITUAL REASONS. NOW IF I HAD CANCER AND THE PAIN WAS SEVERE MAYBE I WOULD WANT TO DIE. HOWEVER I HAVE LOST 2 UNCLES AND MY GRANDFATHER TO CANCER. THEY FOUGHT TO THE BITTER END. MY DAD HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH PROSTATE CANCER AND HE HAS RECENTLY BEEN DIAGNOSED A DIABETIC. I DONT SEE HIM GIVING UP.

KILLING YOURSELF IS THE COWARDS WAY OUT. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SHAPE YOUR LIFE,FUTURE,DESTINY YOU WANT TO END IT ALL. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BE A HELP TO OTHERS YOU WANT TO END IT ALL. WITH NO CARE FOR YOUR FAMILY OR OTHERS AROUND YOU. HOW DO YOU FEEL YOUR PARENTS WILL FEEL? OR THE PERSON WHO WAS REALLY INTO YOU BUT NEVER TOLD YOU?

WILL YOU ENTER INTO HEAVEN FOR SUCH A CRIME? I HONESTLY HAVE NO CLUE.........ONLY COWARDS COMMIT SUICIDE AND ONLY THOSE WHO WANT TO BE SIFTED ARE SIFTED.........EVERYDAY MORE AND MORE ARE FALLING FROM TRUTH.........

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M-PHIVE · Jul 5, 2002

HERESY said:

MOST OF YOU SOUND LIKE PATHETIC WIMPS WHO WOULD SMOKE THEMSELVES OVER A FEMALE OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MONEY.

1.THE WORLD IS EVIL. THE WORLD COULD GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOU BEING GOOD M-5. IT SEEMS AS IF YOU HAVE BEEN SIFTED.

2.EDJ “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.”

John 5:24

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.”

Matthew 7:21

THAT SHOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I WANT TO DIE SO I CAN COME TO THE "TRUENESS" OF YHWH. SO I CAN EXPERIENCE "LIFE". I DONT WANT TO DIE BECAUSE OF "SELFISH" REASONS. MY REASON FOR WANTING TO DIE IS BASED ON SPIRITUAL REASONS. NOW IF I HAD CANCER AND THE PAIN WAS SEVERE MAYBE I WOULD WANT TO DIE. HOWEVER I HAVE LOST 2 UNCLES AND MY GRANDFATHER TO CANCER. THEY FOUGHT TO THE BITTER END. MY DAD HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH PROSTATE CANCER AND HE HAS RECENTLY BEEN DIAGNOSED A DIABETIC. I DONT SEE HIM GIVING UP.

KILLING YOURSELF IS THE COWARDS WAY OUT. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SHAPE YOUR LIFE,FUTURE,DESTINY YOU WANT TO END IT ALL. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BE A HELP TO OTHERS YOU WANT TO END IT ALL. WITH NO CARE FOR YOUR FAMILY OR OTHERS AROUND YOU. HOW DO YOU FEEL YOUR PARENTS WILL FEEL? OR THE PERSON WHO WAS REALLY INTO YOU BUT NEVER TOLD YOU?

WILL YOU ENTER INTO HEAVEN FOR SUCH A CRIME? I HONESTLY HAVE NO CLUE.........ONLY COWARDS COMMIT SUICIDE AND ONLY THOSE WHO WANT TO BE SIFTED ARE SIFTED.........EVERYDAY MORE AND MORE ARE FALLING FROM TRUTH.........

:H:

CHEC THIS OUT, THIS IS CALLED AN OPINION, JUST LIKE ALL STATED ABOVE, I NEVER SAID THE WORLD SHOULD GIVE A DAM ABOUT ME, IM JUS SAYIN THOSE WERE MY PHEELINGS AT THE TIME , IVE LEARNED ALOT SINCE THEN, BUT MY POINT WAS THAT I CAN RELATE TO HOW SUICIDAL PEOPLE PHEEL...THANKS PHOR YOUR COMMENTS...ABA

HERESY · Jul 5, 2002

^^^ CHECK THIS OUT HERE IS MY OPINION .

YOU AND THE REST OF THE CANDY COATED SUNDAY MORNING CHRISTIANS ARE NOT FIT TO BEAR YOUR CROSS. ITS PLAIN AND SIMPLE. SEE THE WORLD THINKS THAT A "CHRISTIAN" OR "FOLLOWER OF THE WAY" GETS IT EASY BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS BELIEVING IN GOD. THATS THE BIGGEST LOAD OF B.S. PEOPLE CAN DROP ON YOU (ONE OF THE BIGGEST). YOU ARE TO BE SET ASIDE AND CALLED FROM "THE WORLD". YOU ARE TO BE "DIFFERENT". YOU ARE TO GO THROUGH TRIBULATIONS,PERSECUTIONS,TEMPTATIONS,RIDICULE ETC ETC ETC............

BEING A CHRISTIAN IS ACTUALLY A "LONELY" LIFE.......ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE "SAVE ME JESUS I HAVE A GOOD DAY THE SUN IS SHINING I HAVE MY CAR AND EVERYTHING IS GREAT AND HAPPY". WHEN IT RAINS AND BELIEVE ME IT WILL RAIN YOU WONT HAVE THE SAME OUTLOOK.

WHEN YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THINGS AND FACING THESE TRIALS THATS THE BEST TIME. YOU ARE TO DRAW CLOSER BUT INSTEAD YOU RUN............JUST MAKE SURE YOU DONT ACCEPT THE MARK OF THE BEAST BECAUSE ITS ON ITS WAY.

NOW THATS SUICIDE

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M-PHIVE · Jul 5, 2002

HERESY said:

CANDY COATED CHRISTIAN? I HAVE NEVER PHOLLOWED RELIGION IN MY LIPHE...NEVER...I ONLY BELIEVED IN A HIGHER POWER, AND WHERE DO YOU GET OPHH ACTIN LIKE YOU KNOW MY PAIN, YOU DONT KNOW ME HOMIE, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I WENT THROUGH, YOU MAY HAVE HAD YOUR OWN TROUBLES IN LIPHE BUT THATS YOUR LIPHE, DIPHERENT PEOPLE HANDLE DIPHERENT SHIT IN DIPHERENT WAYS...ALL I MEANT WAS THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE PHEEL LIKE WHEN THEY WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES, I UNDERSTAND THE PHEELING...KEEP TRYNA SOUND SMART...ABA

EDJ · Jul 5, 2002

IAOISH,
YOU STRESSED, "I don't know the rules to get into heaven ... "

BUT YET AND STILL YOU HOLD THE THOUgHT THAT YOU SUPPOSE TO gO TO HEAVEN.

THEN YOU STRESS, "but if you were let into heaven and you would kill yourself in the time you are on earth [ because of a desease ] are you still allowed into heaven? or not? "

"IF" YOU WERE ALREADY LET INTO HEAVEN(LOOK AT THE BIg IF I gOT, CAUSE HEAVEN AIN'T PROMISED) THEN OF COURSE YOU FORFEIT THAT CHANCE CAUSE YOU DIDN'T APPRECIATE YOUR LIFE HERE ON EARTH(FOR WHAT IT WAS WORTH). BUT READ JOHN 3:16 AND THAT TELLS YOU MORE ABOUT HOW YOU gET JUDgED. FIRST YOU HAVE TO DIE TO THEN BE ACCOUNTED FOR ON JUDgEMENT DAY.

HERESY,

YOU STRESSED, ".EDJ “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.”

John 5:24
YES THEY PASS ONTO LIFE ON EARTH UNDA THE KINgDOM(gOVERNMENT) OF HEAVEN(YHWH'S DOMAIN)

THEN YOU STRESS, "“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.”

Matthew 7:21

REMEMBER TO READ IT ALL THE WAY TO VERSE 23. IF YOU RECALL THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE BIBLE PASSAgES. I FOUND IT MYSELF AS A CHILD AND IT STUK WITH ME. BUT LIKE I SAID, THE "KINgDOM OF HEAVEN" IS THE NEW gOVERNMENT THAT'S gONNA BE OVER THE NEW EARTH. SO WHEN YOU MAKE IT TO THE KINgDOM OF HEAVEN, YOU COMIN' TO THIS NEW WORLD ORDER.

ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR ME HERESY. IF (gOD'S) PURPOSE FOR US HUMANS WAS TO BE HERE ON EARTH AND SUBDUE IT, THEN WHAT THE FUK IS UP WITH PEOPLE gOIN' UP TO HEAVEN? WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS ORIgINAL PURPOSE? WHERE AND WHEN DID HIS MIND CHANgE? IF WE WERE SUPPOSE TO BE HERE ON EARTH, THEN WON'T THIS PLANET BE EMPTY WHEN THE LAST DAYS ARE FULFILLED? WHAT'S YOUR OUTLOOK AFTER SATAN IS THROWN IN THE ABISS? AFTER EVERYTHANg THE BOOK OF REVELATION TALKS ABOUT HAPPENS? THEN WHAT?

HERESY · Jul 5, 2002

@edj we have went over this before.

gan eden. where is paradise or "ABRAHAMS BOSOM"????? you cant get to heaven by simply "BEING GOOD".

gods purpose for us was to NEVER DIE. THINGS CHANGE YES PEOPLE DO GO TO HEAVEN DID YESHUA GO TO HEAVEN?

HE DIDNT CHANGE HIS MIND. HE CHANGED ACCORDING TO WHAT HAPPENED.

IS THIS PLANET EMPTY NOW? WE HAVE OVER 6 BILLION PEOPLE AND ITS GROWING. WILL THE PLANET BE EMPTY WHEN THE LAST DAYS ARE ALMOST FINISHED? YES!!!!!!!!!

CAST INTO THE ABYSS. CHAINED FOR 1000 YEARS. RELEASED FOR A SEASON. CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

THE DEAD ARE RAISED AND EVERYMAN IS JUDGED ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE. THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE THEIR NAMES WRITTIN IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE WILL BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

HELL AND THE LAKE OF FIRE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PLACES. REV 20:13-15.

HELL IS A LITERAL PLACE OF TORMENT THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR THE "REBELS" MATT 8:28-34.

EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN REV 21 AND 22 HAPPENS EDJ.

OK THATS GREAT THAT YOU HAVE NEVER FOLLOWED RELIGION. HOWEVER MY WORDS WILL NOT CHANGE. YOU AND CANDY COATED CHRISTIANS ("THE WORLD IS STILL SHITS ON ME I LOST MY FAITH IN GOD BLAH BLAH BLAH THE WORLD) ARE NOT FIT TO BEAR YOUR CROSS. I DIDNT SAY IT. GOD HIMSELF SAID IT.

NO I DO NOT KNOW YOUR PAIN. I HAVE NOT WALKED IN YOUR SHOES. A TREE IS KNOWN BY THE FRUIT IT BEARS. KEEP THAT IN MIND. YOU ARE THE OEN WHO IS/WAS UNSTABLE AND SO FAR GONE THAT YOU ATTEMPTED TO TAKE YOUR LIFE. NOW MATTER HOW BROKE I GET,NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE FALL BEFORE ME I KNOW ITS A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. I KNOW I CAN GET PAST THE STORM AND THAT THIS IS A PHASE IN MY LIFE.

DID THOSE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD SOUND SMART WHEN THEY WERE WHISPERING "KILL YOURSELF IT WILL BE BETTER. JUST END IT ALL. GOD ISNT REAL HE DOESNT LOVE YOU. NO ONE CARES JUST DO IT"???????

KEEP SOUNDING LIKE A COWARD.

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EDJ · Jul 6, 2002

HERESY,
I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN OVER THIS BEFORE BUT TO NO AVAIL. YOU HAVEN'T LEFT ME SATISFIED WITH ANSWERS I SO LONg FOR. NOT THAT I'M LOOKIN' FOR YOU TO TELL ME WHAT I THINK MIgHT BE RIgHT BUT SOMETHIN' THAT MAKES SENSE IN ALL PERSPECTIVES(SCRIPTURALLY, TRANSLATION, LOgICALLY, ETC...).

BUT YOU STRESSED, "where is paradise or "ABRAHAMS BOSOM"????? you cant get to heaven by simply "BEING GOOD".

IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY, YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU WHERE EDEN IS AT? AND OF COURSE JUST CAUSE YOU gOOD DON'T MEAN YOU ARE gUARANTEED N-E-THANg. WHAT IS gOOD?

THEN YOU STRESS, "gods purpose for us was to NEVER DIE. THINGS CHANGE YES PEOPLE DO GO TO HEAVEN DID YESHUA GO TO HEAVEN?

(gOD) NEVA CHANgES HIS MIND ONCE HE STARTS OFF SOMETHIN' AND HE SAID IT TO BE TRUE. SO WHY WOULD HE CHANgE HIS ORIgINAL PLAN? AND YES, JESUS WENT TO HEAVEN CAUSE THAT WAS HIS HOME BEFORE HE WAS SENT TO DO HIS MISSION HERE ON EARTH. HE HAD A PURPOSE.

THEN YOU STRESS, "HE DIDNT CHANGE HIS MIND. HE CHANGED ACCORDING TO WHAT HAPPENED."

TRUE, SO HIS PLAN TO HAVE HUMANS LIVE FOREVER HERE ON EARTH (ORIgINAL PLAN) NEVER CHANgED.

THEN YOU ANWER A QUESTION WITH A QUESTION WITH, "IS THIS PLANET EMPTY NOW?

NO IT'S NOT. BUT WE FULL OF PLAgUES, WAR, AND ALL KIND OF BULLSHIT.

THEN YOU gO ON TO STRESS,"WILL THE PLANET BE EMPTY WHEN THE LAST DAYS ARE ALMOST FINISHED? YES!!!!!!!!!

HOW IS THAT SO? SO THERE WON'T BE NO SURVIVORS? NO (gOD'S) PEOPLE LEFT? SO WHAT HAPPENS AFTERWARDS? THE EARTH REMAINS EMPTY? SO (gOD) MADE THE EARTH FOR NOTHIN'? IF THAT SO WHY DON'T HE JUST gET RID OF ALL OF US NOW AND PUT WHOEVA gOES TO HEAVEN THERE, AND WHO EVA gOES TO HELL THERE? OR WHY HASN'T IT HAPPENED YET?

THEN YOU STRESS, "CAST INTO THE ABYSS. CHAINED FOR 1000 YEARS. RELEASED FOR A SEASON. CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

THAT SOUNDS PROBABLE. IS IT TOO FAR-FETCHED FOR YOU TO gRASP THE IDEA THAT (gOD) LET'S THE DEVIL LOOSE FOR A WHILE SO HE CAN TEMPT THE PEOPLE THAT MADE IT THRU THE gREAT TRIBULATION AND PAID FOR THEIR SINS WITH DEATH? REMEMBER I STRESSED THAT "THE WAgES OF SIN IS DEATH"? SO IF YOU DIE, YOU ARE FORgIVIN' FOR YOUR SINS UNLESS IT WAS SOME AWKWARD SITUATION. SO IN THIS TIME, FOR THOSE WHO AIN'T ACCEPTIN' (gOD) OR DOIN' HIS WILL, WILL gET CAUgHT UP.

THEN YOU STRESS, "HELL AND THE LAKE OF FIRE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PLACES."

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

BUT AN EMPTY EARTH WASN'T (gOD'S) PURPOSE AT ALL. TO HAVE ONE MAKES HIM A LIAR.

Trauma · Jul 6, 2002

I feel personally that suicide is a cowardly way out. I've been through a lot in my life, but so has everyone else. I think my potential to do good for those around me is enough to keep me here on earth as long as possible. When I do pass, I'll know it was god's will, and not mine.

As far as getting into heaven, I dunno. Nobody on earth is fit to judge, only Christ and the father know our sins, and what our glory or punishment should be. I know of no condition that keeps someone out of heaven unconditionally, so the act of suicide alone won't necessarily send you to hell. I believe it's pretty hard to get to hell, anyways. The lord sends you a conscience and clues and hints and feelings and scriptures along the way, only a devil would ignore all that and walk down the path to hell anyways.

M-PHIVE · Jul 6, 2002

@HERESY

I KNOW OPH NO GOD, I RECOGNIZE NO LORD, AND BEAR NO CROSS...

AT THE TIME OPH MY PAIN, YEA THE VOICES DID SOUND SMART, IM NOT SAYIN THEY DO NOW, BUT THEY DID, AND I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT PHEELING, YOU REAL QUIC TO JUMP AT PEOPLE LIKE YOU HELLA PERPHECT AN SHIT...WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES AND A REAL MAN CAN OWN UP TO HIS...ARE YOU PERPHECT? I THINK NOT, MY PARTICIPATION IN THIS THREAD IS TO RELATE TO PEOPLE WHO PHEEL LIKE I ONCE DID, AND MAYBE MY EXPERIENCE CAN HELP THEM...

WHEN YOU BABBLE ON ABOUT GOD, ITS ONLY BS TO ME, SHOW ME SOME PROOPH OPH HIS EXISTENCE AND YOUR COMMENTS ARE VALID, UNTIL THEN YOUR WORDS DONT MEAN SHIT...

...ABA

HERESY · Jul 6, 2002

actually to others its VERY logical. all you have to do is pray and read.

paradise and eden are two DIFFERENT places. please study JUDAISM and GAN EDEN.

i just told you why he changed his "original" plan. because man FELL. man DIED. the plan was not for man to DIE. SO AFTER MAN DIES WHERE DOES MAN GO? DOES MAN JUST SIT AND HIS "MEMORY" RETURNS TO GOD? THAT ISNT EVEN IN THE BIBLE (TORAH OR ANY OTHER VERSIONS).

OK DID HE SAY THAT HELL WAS "ORIGINALLY" MADE FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS? HAS THAT PLAN CHANGED? YES. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT HUMANS ARE NOT GOING TO LIVE IN EARTH. AFTER YOU DIE WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO LIVE? IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TORAH OR "JEWISH" BELIEFS....NAW FORGET IT.

YES THE PLANET IS FULL OF THAT.

MAN I HATE MAKING TYPOS. NO IT WILL BE SURVIVORS. THE WORD "ALMOST" SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLACED IN THERE. DO TO WHAT YOU JUST LISTED "PLAgUES, WAR, AND ALL KIND OF BULLSHIT." NOT TO MENTION THE WRATH OF GOD HIMSELF. YES IT WILL BE PEOPLE. 6 BILLION LIKE TODAY? NOPE. COMPARE WHATS IN MATT 24 TO THE 4 HORSEMEN. ITS THE EXACT SAME THING IN THE SAME ORDER.

EDJ YOU MAKE IT SOUND AS IF THE WAGES OF SIN IS A "GOOD THING" WHEN IN REALITY IT IS A BAD THING. YOU PAY FOR YOUR SINS WITH A "SPIRITUAL" DEATH AND IN SOME CASES A "PHYSICAL" DEATH. IF THEY MADE IT THROUGH TRIBULATION HOW AR ETHEY PAYING FOR SINS WITH DEATH? IF YOU DIE YOU ARE NOT FORGIVEN OF YOUR SINS. IF THATS THE CASE NO NEED FOR A MESSIAH. NO NEED FOR A JESUS.

DEATH=SEPERATION FROM GOD/NO FELLOWHISP WITH GOD
TO BE SPIRTUALLY "DEAD". TO BE "SPIRITUALLY "BLIND".

NOW LETS SAY YOU STICK SOMEONES WIFE. WILL YOU DIE RIGHT THEN AND THERE? OF COURSE NOT. HAVE YOU SINNED? YES. ARE YOU "DEAD" AT THAT POINT? YES. NOW WHAT IF HER HUSBAND CATCHES YOU AND PLACES A GUN TO THE SIDE OF YOUR SKULL? SEE HOW YOU GOT YOURSELF CAUGHT UP?

ADAM AND EVE DIED A "SPIRITUAL" DEATH FIRST.

JAMES 1:14But one is tempted by one's own desire, being lured and enticed by it; 15 Then, when that desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and that sin, when it is fully grown, gives birth to death.

ITS A 3 PART PROCESS. DESIRE-->SIN-->DEATH. YOU WILL *ALWAYS* DIE A "SPIRITUAL" DEATH WHEN YOU SIN.

I GAVE YOU THE DIFFERENCE WHEN I SAID IT. LOOK IT UP. HELL AND THE LAKE OF FIRE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PLACES. REV 20:13-15.

@TRAUMA

THE PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE DEATH FOR ALL. ETERNAL DAMNATION. BY THE GRACE OF GOD (IF WE CHOOSE TO ACCEPT IT) WE DONT HAVE TO BE DAMNED. HE HIMSELF SAID WE SHOULD DIE. DO I KNOW IF YOU OR EDJ IS GOING TO HEAVEN? NOPE. DO I KNOW ABOUT MYSELF???? SURE DO.

NOT REPENTING AND BELIEVING IN THE GOSPEL.

Luke 9:62<---------FOR ANYONE TO READ ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE "BELIEVED BUT HAVE "TURNED BACK". WHAT DOES HE SAY ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THAT VERSE?

Matthew 7:13.

WHO DOES THE LORD SEND THOSE THINGS TO? EVERYONE? OR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN CALLED/OR IS TRYING TO CALL?

@M-5

YOU SAID IT............

NOPE. THATS HOW YOU SEE IT BECAUSE OF YOUR GUILTY HEART.

HERESY=#1 SINNER

HOWEVER HERESY=REBORN SON OF GOD.

IM REAL QUICK TO STAND FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IN. YOU ARE NOT. WHICH IS WHY YOU WERE SIFTED.

YES A REAL MAN CAN OWN UP TO HIS. I AGREE 100% AM I PERFECT? NO NOT AT ALL. NEVER CLAIMED TO BE.

I THINK NOT ALSO. YOUR POINT?????

MY PARTICIPATION IN THIS THREAD IS TO RELATE TO PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE I ONCE DID BUT WHO LOOKED FORWARD TO WHAT COMES AFTER THE STORM.

MY WORDS MUST MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU IF YOU HAVE TO CUSS AND REDUCE YOURSELF TO SUCH A LOWLY STATE. WHAT A SHAME. YOU SHOULDNT LET ANYONE GET TO YOU LIKE THAT. WHO IS BABBLING? WHO BABBLED IN YOUR EAR AND TOLD YOU TO TAKE YOUR LIFE? YOU WANT PROOF OF HIS EXISTENCE? HERES YOUR PROOF.

AT ONE TIME YOU BELIEVED. NOW YOU HAVE TURNED. EITHER YOU NEVER TRULY BELIEVED IN THE FIRST PLACE OR YOU HAVE FELL ON STONES......OR FELL BY THE BIRDS.

PROVE TO YOURSELF THAT GOD EXISTS. YOU DONT NEED ME TO PROVE IT. DID YOU NEED ME TO STOP YOUR BELIEF IN GOD? WAS I THE ONE WHO TOLD YOU TO BELIEVE IN GOD IN THE FIRST PLACE? NOPE. YOUR PROOF LIES IN YOUR WORDS.

DO NOT THINK THAT I AM COMING DOWN ON YOU BECAUSE THATS NOT THE CASE. IM SIMPLY TELLING YOU AND OTHERS THAT SUICIDE IS A COWARDS MOVE. YOU DONT THINK ABOUT YOUR LOVED ONES OR OTHERS WHO IT WILL AFFECT. FUNERALS ARE NOT CHEAP. FINANCIAL STRESS,MENTAL ANGUISH,THE FAMILY BEING LEFT GUILTY ETC ETC ETC. ALL BECAUSE OF YOUR (NOT YOU IN PARTICULAR M5) SELFISH ACTS.

HERESY

EDJ · Jul 6, 2002

HERESY,
THIS CONVERSATION IS POINTLESS ONCE AgAIN CAUSE WE AIN'T UNITIN' TO SEEK TRUTH. REgARDLESS, YOU KNOW IT'S ALL LOVE. BUT I WILL BRINg SOME INFO TO YOU SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M STRESSIN'.

MOSA · Jul 6, 2002

To me only weak minded people try to kill themselves off. There is always a meaning (to me) for everything that happens to you , if you figure it out or not. Life is not always going to be easy...and if you think about it no one ever told you it would be...."what comes up must go down".

I also am not saying this because I dont now how it feels or whatever...I MYSELF HAVE NOT TRYED IT....BUT for some strange reason without knowing it I have talked 5 to 6 people out of killing themselves (i found out later) ....one actually did , but I brought his ass back to life...and one of those 6 was my mom ...we were sitting and having a conversation about it and i knew something wasnt right because the life was gone that i used to see in her...but i did make the comment that only weak ass people kill themselves off..long story short two weeks later I am walking up to my room and theres a note on my floor...she thanked me for basically telling her how weak of a person she has become since my fathers death and how she had some pills waiting in her bedroom the day that we talked...and it kinda threw me off at first but when i though about it...the day we had that conversation she had a glass of water in her hand and I walked downstairs and said hi right before she went into her room and if it wasnt for me comming down at that exact time ....I wouldnt have a mom . so i know personally about this...this isnt something you tell people but fuck it...my life is life and i give no excuses for it....

iaoish · Jul 8, 2002

Edj With 'Rules' I meant I don't know what 'path' you have to follow to get into heaven.

And right now I don't follow anything and I'll see when the time is there if they let me in or not... right now I ain't stressing nothing.

EDJ · Jul 8, 2002

IAOISH,
HOW YOU KNOW HEAVEN IS YOUR RECOMPENSE?

iaoish · Jul 8, 2002

EDj,

How would anyone know for a 100% sure it's a recompense?

EDJ · Jul 8, 2002

YOU SPEAKIN' ON IT LIKE IT'S A RECOMPENSE AND YOU KEEP SAYIN' HEAVEN LIKE YOU ALREADY KNOW EVERYBODY THAT'S gOOD gOES THERE.

iaoish · Jul 8, 2002

No I ASKED it cuz I don't know very much about that stuff and I know people here know more about it then me that's why I asked that question.

EDJ · Jul 8, 2002

BUT YOU ASSUMIN' HEAVEN IS WHERE PEOPLE IS gOIN' BY THE WAY YOU ASKIN'.

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