Studio set up.....
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Here's my studio, been adding to it for a long time
Gear List:
Krk Rockit 8's
Triton Le
Fantom xr
Akai MPD 24
Emu Mophatt
Emu xboard 49
Technic 1200
RME Fireface 800
Aphex 207 preamp
Blueberry Microphone
and lots of records!!!
my newest addtion to the family is my dell Quad-core 6600 PC and it's sicc!!!
Gear List:
Krk Rockit 8's
Triton Le
Fantom xr
Akai MPD 24
Emu Mophatt
Emu xboard 49
Technic 1200
RME Fireface 800
Aphex 207 preamp
Blueberry Microphone
and lots of records!!!
my newest addtion to the family is my dell Quad-core 6600 PC and it's sicc!!!
Yes I am. Sound travels and bounces off walls. If the room isn't set up right, it's going to sound different in a CD player than it does in the mixing room. That's why, when you go to a recording studio, there's padding placed strategically throughout the control room. The foam isn't there for decoration.
With monitor headphones, the beat isn't bouncing all over the room.
With monitor headphones, the beat isn't bouncing all over the room.
Which is why you create multiple mixes and AB test on as many playback systems as possible.
Yes, and this room with strategically placed padding most likely still has sonic anomalities that are unaccounted for and still doesn't gurantee a good mix.
No one said or implied it was. However, when you state monitors are pointless unless your room is padded that is wrong. I'd prefer monitors that I'm familiar with and properly placed in an untreated room then a pair of earphones where the sound goes directly into your ear with a skewed stereo perception and low end boost.
No, it's going directly into your ear. This is actually worse.
Yes, and this room with strategically placed padding most likely still has sonic anomalities that are unaccounted for and still doesn't gurantee a good mix.
No one said or implied it was. However, when you state monitors are pointless unless your room is padded that is wrong. I'd prefer monitors that I'm familiar with and properly placed in an untreated room then a pair of earphones where the sound goes directly into your ear with a skewed stereo perception and low end boost.
No, it's going directly into your ear. This is actually worse.
Yea, you can do that...but why do it if you don't have to? It's always good to have a nice stereo available for testing, but it's a bitch if you have to keep running back, remixing and re-burning shit.
That's why good studios are built with the proper acoustics. You're not going to get that perfect sound in a room unless it was built specifically for that purpose (acoustic tiling, proper angles, etc.)
Yea, if you're familiar with a set of monitors and the placement is right, and you know what you're looking for in a mix. However, if you're not familiar with monitors and you have no idea what you're looking for, it's best to get the spot set up...it helps. As for the headphones, the monitors are built specifically for that. I know a few producers who prefer the monitor headphones when mixing in a house and their mixes come out great. It's not like mixing with iPod earbuds.
Not necessarily.
That's why good studios are built with the proper acoustics. You're not going to get that perfect sound in a room unless it was built specifically for that purpose (acoustic tiling, proper angles, etc.)
Yea, if you're familiar with a set of monitors and the placement is right, and you know what you're looking for in a mix. However, if you're not familiar with monitors and you have no idea what you're looking for, it's best to get the spot set up...it helps. As for the headphones, the monitors are built specifically for that. I know a few producers who prefer the monitor headphones when mixing in a house and their mixes come out great. It's not like mixing with iPod earbuds.
Not necessarily.
You should have multiple mixes period. Vocal up, bass up, instrumental, etc.
No room has a "perfect" sound. This is what I'm trying to tell you. Each room has a sound that is specific to that room, and will change depending on the speakers and gear being used. But rest assured that there is no perfect room on this planet. Where is it?
Again, I'm not saying treatment doesn't help, I'm saying you'll be closer to your desired goal by using monitors as opposed to headphones. No it isn't like mixing with iPod earbuds, but if you understand how closed headphones actually work, you'd understand where I'm coming from, and you'd understand the problems with trying to emulate a real world listening environment through headphones.
How come? First off, the sound is going directly into your ear. Many people new to recording want things loud as hell, so you're telling me that it's more safe for a newbie to blast headphones @90db as opposed to speakers? I'd take the speakers. Moreover, you have the problem of sound arriving at the exact same time as opposed to speakers where the sound arrives at different times. And don't forget the fact that the sound coming from one side of the headphones doesn't even reach the other side.
No room has a "perfect" sound. This is what I'm trying to tell you. Each room has a sound that is specific to that room, and will change depending on the speakers and gear being used. But rest assured that there is no perfect room on this planet. Where is it?
Again, I'm not saying treatment doesn't help, I'm saying you'll be closer to your desired goal by using monitors as opposed to headphones. No it isn't like mixing with iPod earbuds, but if you understand how closed headphones actually work, you'd understand where I'm coming from, and you'd understand the problems with trying to emulate a real world listening environment through headphones.
How come? First off, the sound is going directly into your ear. Many people new to recording want things loud as hell, so you're telling me that it's more safe for a newbie to blast headphones @90db as opposed to speakers? I'd take the speakers. Moreover, you have the problem of sound arriving at the exact same time as opposed to speakers where the sound arrives at different times. And don't forget the fact that the sound coming from one side of the headphones doesn't even reach the other side.
It is GREAT to do multiple mixes, but if the sound isn't right you're going to do more than you have to.
As far as the "perfect room", I never said there was such a thing. I'm just saying that real studios are built for this, and if you take a great mix from one studio to another, chances are it's still going to sound good...as opposed to having something that sounds great in the house, but shitty everywhere else.
About the headphones, it all depends on the cat mixing. Like I said, some cats can do it and it sounds official...some cats can't do it. Personally, I take my projects to real studios for mixing and mastering because I know I'm going to hear what I need to hear in that environment. But if I'm doing a quick mix for somebody at the house, the headphones do what I need them to do. I mainly focus on vocals and harmonies here, and they always have a nice crisp sound. If somebody wants the song mixed down and shit, I will refer them to a studio with good prices and a good sound because I'm not in the business of rippin' cats off and I know this isn't the spot for full on mix downs at this point.
Like I always say, to each his own. Some cats can have the best setup with the best monitors in the world, but they have no clue what they're doing. Some cats get by with barely any equipment but they are masters at their craft. It's all in how one hears and how that person soaks up what they are hearing...after that it's all in what they do with it.
As far as the "perfect room", I never said there was such a thing. I'm just saying that real studios are built for this, and if you take a great mix from one studio to another, chances are it's still going to sound good...as opposed to having something that sounds great in the house, but shitty everywhere else.
About the headphones, it all depends on the cat mixing. Like I said, some cats can do it and it sounds official...some cats can't do it. Personally, I take my projects to real studios for mixing and mastering because I know I'm going to hear what I need to hear in that environment. But if I'm doing a quick mix for somebody at the house, the headphones do what I need them to do. I mainly focus on vocals and harmonies here, and they always have a nice crisp sound. If somebody wants the song mixed down and shit, I will refer them to a studio with good prices and a good sound because I'm not in the business of rippin' cats off and I know this isn't the spot for full on mix downs at this point.
Like I always say, to each his own. Some cats can have the best setup with the best monitors in the world, but they have no clue what they're doing. Some cats get by with barely any equipment but they are masters at their craft. It's all in how one hears and how that person soaks up what they are hearing...after that it's all in what they do with it.
Burn mix. Playback on another system, take notes on what needs to be done, go back in and do it.
No one said you said there was such a thing. However, there is no such thing as a perfect sound or a perfect room as all of these are subjective and change according to the speakers used, gear used, and person doing the mix. Yes, real studios are built with acoustics in mind, but even real studios have problems. And yes, it is possible to take a great mix from one studio and have it play back like garbage in another studio. And you can eliminate the problem of something sounding great in the house and shitty everywhere else by doing multiple mixes which you should be doing anyway.
Again, no one is saying it can't be done. What I'm pointing out is there is a lot of work envolved, you will have to playback on loudspeakers and adjust accordingly, and that monitors in an untreated room are not pointless. Problematic? Yes. Pointless? Far from it.
So in other words one can use monitors in an untreated room. Gotcha.
No one said you said there was such a thing. However, there is no such thing as a perfect sound or a perfect room as all of these are subjective and change according to the speakers used, gear used, and person doing the mix. Yes, real studios are built with acoustics in mind, but even real studios have problems. And yes, it is possible to take a great mix from one studio and have it play back like garbage in another studio. And you can eliminate the problem of something sounding great in the house and shitty everywhere else by doing multiple mixes which you should be doing anyway.
Again, no one is saying it can't be done. What I'm pointing out is there is a lot of work envolved, you will have to playback on loudspeakers and adjust accordingly, and that monitors in an untreated room are not pointless. Problematic? Yes. Pointless? Far from it.
So in other words one can use monitors in an untreated room. Gotcha.
everyone knows that mixing on monitors is the way to do it - you can't really judge a mix well enough on headphones. I like to use headphones sometimes to check certain things in a mix that i mgiht not necessarily hear on the monitors but you should always do the main mixing on monitors. it really dont matter how well the room is treated you always have to check your mix on another setup even if u mixed it on headphones. Once you learn your room/monitors you will need to check less and less because you already know how it sounds.
^hell yea thats what im talking bout but unless your planning on making money off it why pay for sound quality when u can practice yourself.
i mean if i'm a rapper (which i am - myspace rapper hahaha) i would just record all my own songs where ever the fuck i can cuz i be at some ghetto ass setups sometimes we be recording with stockings/coathangers for a popper stopper and shit. get all my songs together mix them out coo so i know kinda how i want it to sound then when i got a whole project together i'm happy with then i would goto a nice studio and do it right from jump st. just get all my features to come when i do certain songs and shit then pay that enginner to mix it down then pay that mastering guy to master the shit out of it then pay for graphics, replication, promotion, copyright, publishing, etc but see when you start talking about all that you need $$$ so right now i just mix my own vocals and shit lol. one of the reasons i aint dropped an album. aint enough money for a new artist to just invest all that into himself unless he already got bread coming from somewhere else (which i dont im a college student) so fuck it it sounds good enough anyway lol.
i mean if i'm a rapper (which i am - myspace rapper hahaha) i would just record all my own songs where ever the fuck i can cuz i be at some ghetto ass setups sometimes we be recording with stockings/coathangers for a popper stopper and shit. get all my songs together mix them out coo so i know kinda how i want it to sound then when i got a whole project together i'm happy with then i would goto a nice studio and do it right from jump st. just get all my features to come when i do certain songs and shit then pay that enginner to mix it down then pay that mastering guy to master the shit out of it then pay for graphics, replication, promotion, copyright, publishing, etc but see when you start talking about all that you need $$$ so right now i just mix my own vocals and shit lol. one of the reasons i aint dropped an album. aint enough money for a new artist to just invest all that into himself unless he already got bread coming from somewhere else (which i dont im a college student) so fuck it it sounds good enough anyway lol.
Akai MPC2000XL (with card reader installed)
Numark TTUSB Turntable
M-Audio Fast Track Pro Audio/MIDI interface
M-Audio Studiophile AV 40 Monitors
Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro Mixer
Rocktron Banshee Talkbox
Digidesign Command|8 (under the pillow case to the left)
AKG HP40 Stereo Headphones
Not shown:
M-Audio KeyRig 49 USB/MIDI controller
E-MU Xboard25 USB/MIDI controller
MXL 990/991 Condenser Mics
AKG K240 Studio Headphones
Stacks of vinyl!
Software:
Digidesign Pro Tools M-Powered 7.4
Calkwalk Sonar 7.1
Propellerhead Reason 4.0
FL Studio 8
Sorry for the bad camera phone picture.
Numark TTUSB Turntable
M-Audio Fast Track Pro Audio/MIDI interface
M-Audio Studiophile AV 40 Monitors
Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro Mixer
Rocktron Banshee Talkbox
Digidesign Command|8 (under the pillow case to the left)
AKG HP40 Stereo Headphones
Not shown:
M-Audio KeyRig 49 USB/MIDI controller
E-MU Xboard25 USB/MIDI controller
MXL 990/991 Condenser Mics
AKG K240 Studio Headphones
Stacks of vinyl!
Software:
Digidesign Pro Tools M-Powered 7.4
Calkwalk Sonar 7.1
Propellerhead Reason 4.0
FL Studio 8
Sorry for the bad camera phone picture.
