Stop the Patriot Act pt II, by filibuster if necessary

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Jul 10, 2002
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Bu$hCo's Coup continues

It's going down on Friday in the Senate. Yup, the potential for even more of our civil liberties is on the chopping block.

At least this time around both parties claim the will fight reauthoriatiaon until the Patriot Act II is ammended.

If not, the Defense Dept. will grow even further and further out of control. Imagine thei level of unchecked power if both parties are in opposition during a time of war, when 4 years ago all but one senator (Kucinich if I'm not mistaken) voted for the Patriot Act.

Keep in mind this filibuster will not repeal the current patriot act, however it will limit some of these ammendments...

--The government can obtain your private records, like medical, library, school, and other records—without showing any connection between your activities and a suspected foreign terrorist.
--Some 30,000 National Security Letters ("NSLs") are issued each year to obtain private records,4 and the recipients of those NSLs are under a gag order that is almost impossible to overturn. But the Patriot Act does nothing to address these abusive powers.
--The government is allowed to get "sneak and peek" search warrants to search a home or business and doesn't have to tell the owner of the premises for a month. This power can be used in cases that don't have anything to do with terrorism.

Although resistance may very well be futile, at least it is resistance.

If you deem worthy copy & paste the link (yes it's from MoveOn) and add your name to the signature.



http://political.moveon.org/patriotact/?id=6534-1336739-VVLWnHDoU3U0WZoFpVVnKw&t=2


The goal is for at least 250,000 petition online 'signatures' to DEMONstrate our desire to preserve our 'constitutional rights'

Otherwise the Defense Dept. will continue to legally spy on us at their own discretion
 

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JoMoDo said:
Bu$hCo's Coup continues
--The government is allowed to get "sneak and peek" search warrants to search a home or business and doesn't have to tell the owner of the premises for a month. This power can be used in cases that don't have anything to do with terrorism.
what the fuck

fuck the patriot act, and muthafuck the u.s. government

i'm signing this petition 5 times
 

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If you belive the lie that we have things such as liberties and freedom, you should wake up and re-examine your surroundings.
 
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JoMoDo said:
Yup, the potential for even more of our civil liberties is on the chopping block.
what "MORE" will be taken away??? LOL the new extension of the patriot act moving through congress is already way watered down compared to the one that is in existance right now.


At least this time around both parties claim the will fight reauthoriatiaon until the Patriot Act II is ammended.
it has been amended, the one that got though the house has been watered down. you really do need to stop listening to those "KOOK" over at Moveon.org


Keep in mind this filibuster will not repeal the current patriot act, however it will limit some of these ammendments...
is that all the Dems know how to do "Filibuster". they threaten filibuster and they have filibustered everything since W. has been elected.

paybacks a b****, just wait til the day a Dem gets the power and gets the filibuster thrown back in their face
 
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SIGNED. Just in time, im glad i had the day off and found something worthwile ;)

My message i included was:
"I am strongly against the patriot act already in action. I urge you not to snuff out the remaining freedom of citizens in this country by adding to this debilitating act. Thank you"
 
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COCALEAFS said:
If you belive the lie that we have things such as liberties and freedom, you should wake up and re-examine your surroundings.

Good point. However, as insignifigcant as it may be, I can't idly sit by (even if it is only puttin' my name on a list through a website) as the Pentagon or other agencies set up surveillence and spy on Anit-war/Anti-nuclear activists.

As we get closer to McCarthyism, we have to voice opinions and objections now...

It is a double edged argument, b/c you can say Local/State/Federal Law Enforcement intellegence has always been a sham to attain the means of their agenda.
Is this now only a mainstream concern b/c it is starting to have an affect the middle class, or are the blantant civil liberty violations listed in the Patriot so outlandish that it's stirring up this reaction...

Not sure where I'm going with this, but I'm out....
 
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Just curious as to how familiar you are with the wording of the patriot act Jomodo. Can you tell me what civil liberties the patriot act has done away with?
 
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Back it up, Back it up. Did this dude just say Kucinich was a SENATOR?

And, eh....I'll comment further on this Saturday. I mean...the bill will have already passed by then, but I just don't feel like talking about this right now. See you then.
 
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Good point and nice attention to detail. Thanks! He's in the House which had signifigcantly more opposition (yet not enough), sorry for my confusion in the rush of posting, the house and senate are not synonomous, I stand corrected. It's an embarrassing mistake, oh well!

I should have done a 30 second search to check that Feingold was the opposing senator...

@Jae Ill, here's a link to download the entire Patriot Verbatim. http://www.aclu.org/safefree/resources/17381res20030402.html

Keep in mind NO members of Congress, neither the house or Senate were allowed to review the Patriot Act before the vote. Dick Cheney was playing dirty politics (as usual) by stating that members who don't vote this into law are responsible for the next terrorist attact....

This is cut and paste from infowars.com....

Here is a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the
draconian measures encapsulated within this tyrannical
legislation:

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the
Bush administration'?s enemy combatant definition to
all American citizens who may have violated any
provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act.
(Section 802 is the new definition of domestic
terrorism, and the definition is any action that
endangers human life that is a violation of any
Federal or State law. ) Section 501 of the second
Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the
same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that
the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA
Patriot Act isn?t broad enough and that a new,
unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful
activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown
into a van never to be seen again. The Justice
Department states that they can do this because the
person had inferred from conduct that they were not a
US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA
Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or
State law can result in the enemy combatant terrorist
designation.

SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a
criminal act for any member of the government or any
citizen to release any information concerning the
incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also
states that law enforcement does not even have to tell
the press who they have arrested and they never have
to release the names.

SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification
Database) set up a national database of suspected
terrorists and radically expand the database to
include anyone associated with suspected terrorist
groups and anyone involved in crimes or having
supported any group designated as terrorist. These
sections also set up a national DNA database for
anyone on probation or who has been on probation for
any crime, and orders State governments to collect the
DNA for the Federal government.

SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging
in spying operations against the American people and
would place substantial restrictions on court
injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights
across the board.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as
foreign powers and again strip them of all rights
under the enemy combatant designation.

SECTION 102 states clearly that any information
gathering, regardless of whether or not those
activities are illegal, can be considered to be
clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign
power. This makes news gathering illegal.

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use
wartime martial law powers domestically and
internationally without Congress declaring that a
state of war exists.

SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its
straightforwardness. It states that broad general
warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret
judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes
in an undisclosed location) granted under the first
Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that
government agents must be given immunity for carrying
out searches with no prior court approval. This
section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against
unreasonable searches and seizures.

SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue
contempt charges against any individual or corporation
who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This
sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth
Amendment.

SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in
the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes
the five year sunset clause from other subsections of
the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told
us: this is the New America. Get used to it. This is
forever.

SECTION 111 expands the definition of the enemy
combatant designation.

SECTION 122 restates the government?s newly announced
power of surveillance without a court order.

SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer
needs warrants and that the investigations can be a
giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports
about the Total Information Awareness Network. One
passage reads, thus the focus of domestic surveillance
may be less precise than that directed against more
conventional types of crime.

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine
the entire spectrum of public and private sector
information from bank records to educational and
medical records. This is the enacting law to allow
ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to
totally break down any and all walls of privacy.

The government states that they must look at
everything to determine if individuals or groups might
have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now
see, you are guilty until proven innocent.

SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover
coroners? and medical examiners operations whenever
they see fit.

SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag
orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take
over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or
organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena.
So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.

SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistleblower
protection for Federal agents.

SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their
activities with toxic biological, chemical or
radiological materials.

SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all
their financial dealings secret, and anyone
investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This
should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone
investigating Haliburton.

SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected
terrorists. The database will also be used to stop
other unlawful activities. It will share the
information with state, local and foreign agencies for
the same purposes.

SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department
in the area of information sharing.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for
businesses, especially big businesses that spy on
their customers for Homeland Security, violating their
privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are
all preventative measures â?? has anyone seen Minority
Report? This is the access hub for the Total
Information Awareness Network.

SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on
the American people and to share information with
foreign governments.

SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition
process and allows officers of the Homeland Security
complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they
wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly
take individuals out of foreign countries.

SECTION 402 is titled Providing Material Support to
Terrorism. The section reads that there is no
requirement to show that the individual even had the
intent to aid terrorists.

SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass
destruction to include any activity that affects
interstate or foreign commerce.

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or other
criminals to use encryption in the commission of a
crime.

SECTION 408 creates lifetime parole (basically,
slavery) for a whole host of crimes.

SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for
anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports
terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered
terrorism under the first Patriot Act.

SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by
death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first
Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or
support of terrorist act can result in the death
penalty.

SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist
financing. This section states that any type of
financial activity connected to terrorism will result
to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.

SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for
anyone engaging in terrorist activities
 

Cheaptimes

C'mon now...
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Senate Rejects Extension of Patriot Act
By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 41 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Senate on Friday refused to reauthorize major portions of the USA Patriot Act after critics complained they infringed too much on Americans' privacy and liberty, dealing a huge defeat to the Bush administration and Republican leaders.

In a crucial vote early Friday, the bill's Senate supporters were not able to get the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster by Sens. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., and Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and their allies. The final vote was 52-47.

President Bush, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Republicans congressional leaders had lobbied fiercely to make most of the expiring Patriot Act provisions permanent.

They also supported new safeguards and expiration dates to the act's two most controversial parts: authorization for roving wiretaps, which allow investigators to monitor multiple devices to keep a target from evading detection by switching phones or computers; and secret warrants for books, records and other items from businesses, hospitals and organizations such as libraries.

Feingold, Craig and other critics said those efforts weren't enough, and have called for the law to be extended in its present form so they can continue to try and add more civil liberties safeguards. But Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert have said they won't accept a short-term extension of the law.

If a compromise is not reached, the 16 Patriot Act provisions expire on Dec. 31, but the expirations have enormous exceptions. Investigators will still be able to use those powers to complete any investigation that began before the expiration date and to initiate new investigations of any alleged crime that began before Dec. 31, according to a provision in the original law. There are ongoing investigations of every known terrorist group, including al-Qaida, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Islamic Jihad and the Zarqawi group in Iraq, and all the Patriot Act tools could continue to be used in those investigations.

Five Republicans voted against the reauthorization: Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, John Sununu of New Hampshire, Craig and Frist. Two Democrats voted to extend the provisions: Sens. Tim Johnson of South Dakota and Ben Nelson of Nebraska.

Frist, R-Tenn., changed his vote at the last moment after seeing the critics would win. He decided to vote with the prevailing side so he could call for a new vote at any time. He immediately objected to an offer of a short term extension from Democrats, saying the House won't approve it and the president won't sign it.

"We have more to fear from terrorism than we do from this Patriot Act," Frist warned.

If the Patriot Act provisions expire, Republicans say they will place the blame on Democrats in next year's midterm elections. "In the war on terror, we cannot afford to be without these vital tools for a single moment," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. "The time for Democrats to stop standing in the way has come."

But the Patriot Act's critics got a boost from a New York Times report saying Bush authorized the National Security Agency to monitor the international phone calls and international e-mails of hundreds — perhaps thousands — of people inside the United States. Previously, the NSA typically limited its domestic surveillance to foreign embassies and missions and obtained court orders for such investigations.

"I don't want to hear again from the attorney general or anyone on this floor that this government has shown it can be trusted to use the power we give it with restraint and care," said Feingold, the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act in 2001.

"It is time to have some checks and balances in this country," shouted Sen. Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record), ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee. "We are more American for doing that."

Most of the Patriot Act — which expanded the government's surveillance and prosecutorial powers against suspected terrorists, their associates and financiers — was made permanent when Congress overwhelmingly passed it after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington. Making the rest of it permanent was a priority for both the Bush administration and Republican leaders on Capitol Hill before Congress adjourns for the year.

The House on Wednesday passed a House-Senate compromise bill to renew the expiring portions of the Patriot Act that supporters say added significant safeguards to the law. Its Senate supporters say that compromise is the only thing that has a chance to pass Congress before 2006.

"This is a defining moment. There are no more compromises to be made, no more extensions of time. The bill is what it is," said Sen. Jon Kyl (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz.

The bill's opponents say the original act was rushed into law, and Congress should take more time now to make sure the rights of innocent Americans are safeguarded before making the expiring provisions permanent.

"Those that would give up essential liberties in pursuit in a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security," said Sen. John Sununu (news, bio, voting record), R-N.H. They suggested a short extension so negotiations could continue, but the Senate scrapped a Democratic-led effort to renew the USA Patriot Act for just three months before the vote began.

"Today, fair-minded senators stood firm in their commitment to the Constitution and rejected the White House's call to pass a faulty law," said Caroline Fredrickson, the director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Washington legislative office. "This was a victory for the privacy and liberty of all Americans."

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216...ZkTv5UB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
 
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DoKeep in mind NO members of Congress, neither the house or Senate were allowed to review the Patriot Act before the vote.
if that is true than why did i hear Democrats and Republicans on the radio LAST WEEK talking about the compromies they all made.

why was Feinstein's meth amendment in the version that was voted on today????
 
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Were these compromises for pt II or the original? There has been discussion and review for the ammendments and reauthorization. However, to my knowledge, the first was basically a 'classified document' that was bullied thrugh w/o review.
 
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JoMoDo said:
^^^Were these compromises for pt II or the original?

JoMoDo said:
^^^Keep in mind NO members of Congress, neither the house or Senate were allowed to review the Patriot Act before the vote. Dick Cheney was playing dirty politics (as usual) by stating that members who don't vote this into law are responsible for the next terrorist attact....
when i read that i couldnt tell which one you were talking about so i assumed you were talking about fridays Patriot Act Extension

JoMoDo said:
However, to my knowledge, the first was basically a 'classified document' that was bullied thrugh w/o review.
how many staffers, chiefs of staff, lawyers does each Senator have at their disposal. I am sure that they could have read the Patriot Act through if they wanted to, but as usual Dems read the polls and decided to vote for it without reading it (or so they claim).

the Patriot act is a good thing. if you have nothing to hide how will it affect you???

its aimed at getting terrorirsts

what wrong has come from this Patriot Act thus far???