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THIS FOOL SAYS THE POST AINT DIRECTED AT WOODIE,YET WOODIE AINT MEXICAN?
THIS FOOL SAYS THE POST AINT DIRECTED AT WOODIE,YET WOODIE AINT MEXICAN?
SOME BULLSHIT FROM RAPTALK
- Thread starter Big Teflon
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I DON'T AGREE WITH HIM BUT IN REALITY......THERE'S A LOT OF HOMEBOYS THAT FEEL EXACTLY THE WAY HE DOES. DON'T MAKE IT RIGHT BUT YOU DO GOT A LOT OF NORTE SETS THAT WILL STRAIGHT UP SHOW NO LOVE TO ANY WHITE FOOLS. ESPECIALLY THOSE TRYIN TO BANG FOR THE NORTH. IT ALL DEPENDS. I DO KNOW SOME WHITE FOOLS THAT PUT IT DOWN FOR THE NORTH IN A HARDCORE WAY...
aside from looks, last names give it away most often. I mean, I understand there being those "exceptions to the rule" every now and then and I know that being Mexican doesn't automatically make you more down for the cause, but I have always noticed the strange coincidence that the majority of Nortenos who semi-regularly post on this board are either:
A) Half-Mexican half-white (or something else)
B) 100% White
C) "Latino/Hispanic" but not Mexican
D) "Other"
This has no direct relation to the statistics of Nortenos on the streets and off the net, but it comes off to me as an indicator of Northern California's notoriously more open-minded and mixed reality. This is how most of the world pictures Northern Cali thanks to the free-spirited music and hippie shit that was revolutionized in SF and Berkeley in the late 1960's. I can go down the list of White, mixed, and all veriations of South American/Central American/Caribbean "Latino" Nortenos that regularly post on here one by one, but it's easier to just list the semi-regular posters that I am PRETTY SURE are full Chicanos (full=both parents have direct roots only from Mexico). And if I miss anyone or mistakingly list someone who is NOT full Chicano then I invite you to please speak up! I do not wish to misrepresent your backgrounds and I base this only on the evidence which I have seen or know for a fact. So now... without further a-do (SP??)
(as far as I know) THE FULL BOODED CHICANO NORTENOS WHO POST HERE:
FC ENE
HOGGLIFE
SJN14
CHANGO
BIGG RUBE
STRANGERESSJ
LIL CONER
MEXICANOX4
PELON X4
N-SANE
FATAL NYGHTMARE
I'm sure there are more.
Yes it was all originally designed for Northern Chicanos in Prison, but on the N. CA streets of 2003, I sometimes wonder if there are any racial preferences for older dudes recruiting younger ones into their Norteno neighborhoods. I'm not necessarily expecting that anyone would be outright discriminating against non-Chicanos, but in the old days there was more of a strict code and it wasn't as easy for White people as it is today to claim Norte X4 on the streets (because like Oso Loc said, the Unity makes it too easy to claim XIV nowadays but the weak will eventually get weeded out... that goes for ALL Nortenos regardless of race). Of course it all comes down to who you were raised with and if there are alot of White people (for example) that grew up in a certain Norteno varrio, then I understand that they are possible prospects to one day bang it too.
Then there is the whole parallel claim of, "I grew up with black people so I say NIGGA and thats all I hang out with is black folks", which leads me to believe that all of this crossing over may be seen as "cool" for some white people to (seemingly) sell out their White roots by trying to "act black" or "dress Chicano" and suddenly start speaking Spanish even though they were not raised with it. Then again maybe it is just necessity. It's not easy to draw that line. Either way, is it that impossible to maintain a respectful grasp on the roots of your own race when fully engulfed in the activities that are usually just associated with that of another? Is the other race that much more interesting than your own that you have forgotten "where you came from" and would even go as far as denying that part of yourself? (as some do)
examples of Sell-out:
1-"J.D." (~you talk like a fuckin Chicon~) from American Me was a product of his ELA neighborhood, but he sold out the fact that he was Caucasian and wanted no part of that innate claim (at least Miclo in bound by honor was half chicano so he gets the varrio pass)...
2-Any self-claiming "wigger" who would flat out clown on his own race and do anything and everything traditionally seen as "black" just to spite his own race, is basically a Caucasian Uncle Tom (we all know someone like this)...
3-Bryant Gumble (threw that in for laughs)...
4-Coast switching posers!!! I saw so many wannabe NYC "hip-hop" fools out here in LA back in 96. I think that shit swept the nation. I checked a few of them on their raised pant legs, wu-wear chains, karl kanis, ALARMING lack of hip-hop knowledge, and fatigues. Shit man I have nothing against anyones style as long as it is authentic, but the vast majority of these dudes were straight up FRONTING talkin about "KID IM FROM BROOKLYN EAST NEW YORK SON WHA?!". I always got the truth out of them in the end and I promise you; NOT ONE WAS FROM BROOKLYN! Yup, those were some funny ass times.)
BTW: I, myself, am merely 3/4ths Chicano with the other 1/4th being Native American... but I am no Norteno. I am not in touch with my Native American claim at all because my Grandpa who holds that 50% trait was never around. Sad. I wonder if we have a casino out there somewhere?!
A) Half-Mexican half-white (or something else)
B) 100% White
C) "Latino/Hispanic" but not Mexican
D) "Other"
This has no direct relation to the statistics of Nortenos on the streets and off the net, but it comes off to me as an indicator of Northern California's notoriously more open-minded and mixed reality. This is how most of the world pictures Northern Cali thanks to the free-spirited music and hippie shit that was revolutionized in SF and Berkeley in the late 1960's. I can go down the list of White, mixed, and all veriations of South American/Central American/Caribbean "Latino" Nortenos that regularly post on here one by one, but it's easier to just list the semi-regular posters that I am PRETTY SURE are full Chicanos (full=both parents have direct roots only from Mexico). And if I miss anyone or mistakingly list someone who is NOT full Chicano then I invite you to please speak up! I do not wish to misrepresent your backgrounds and I base this only on the evidence which I have seen or know for a fact. So now... without further a-do (SP??)
(as far as I know) THE FULL BOODED CHICANO NORTENOS WHO POST HERE:
FC ENE
HOGGLIFE
SJN14
CHANGO
BIGG RUBE
STRANGERESSJ
LIL CONER
MEXICANOX4
PELON X4
N-SANE
FATAL NYGHTMARE
I'm sure there are more.
Yes it was all originally designed for Northern Chicanos in Prison, but on the N. CA streets of 2003, I sometimes wonder if there are any racial preferences for older dudes recruiting younger ones into their Norteno neighborhoods. I'm not necessarily expecting that anyone would be outright discriminating against non-Chicanos, but in the old days there was more of a strict code and it wasn't as easy for White people as it is today to claim Norte X4 on the streets (because like Oso Loc said, the Unity makes it too easy to claim XIV nowadays but the weak will eventually get weeded out... that goes for ALL Nortenos regardless of race). Of course it all comes down to who you were raised with and if there are alot of White people (for example) that grew up in a certain Norteno varrio, then I understand that they are possible prospects to one day bang it too.
Then there is the whole parallel claim of, "I grew up with black people so I say NIGGA and thats all I hang out with is black folks", which leads me to believe that all of this crossing over may be seen as "cool" for some white people to (seemingly) sell out their White roots by trying to "act black" or "dress Chicano" and suddenly start speaking Spanish even though they were not raised with it. Then again maybe it is just necessity. It's not easy to draw that line. Either way, is it that impossible to maintain a respectful grasp on the roots of your own race when fully engulfed in the activities that are usually just associated with that of another? Is the other race that much more interesting than your own that you have forgotten "where you came from" and would even go as far as denying that part of yourself? (as some do)
examples of Sell-out:
1-"J.D." (~you talk like a fuckin Chicon~) from American Me was a product of his ELA neighborhood, but he sold out the fact that he was Caucasian and wanted no part of that innate claim (at least Miclo in bound by honor was half chicano so he gets the varrio pass)...
2-Any self-claiming "wigger" who would flat out clown on his own race and do anything and everything traditionally seen as "black" just to spite his own race, is basically a Caucasian Uncle Tom (we all know someone like this)...
3-Bryant Gumble (threw that in for laughs)...
4-Coast switching posers!!! I saw so many wannabe NYC "hip-hop" fools out here in LA back in 96. I think that shit swept the nation. I checked a few of them on their raised pant legs, wu-wear chains, karl kanis, ALARMING lack of hip-hop knowledge, and fatigues. Shit man I have nothing against anyones style as long as it is authentic, but the vast majority of these dudes were straight up FRONTING talkin about "KID IM FROM BROOKLYN EAST NEW YORK SON WHA?!". I always got the truth out of them in the end and I promise you; NOT ONE WAS FROM BROOKLYN! Yup, those were some funny ass times.)
BTW: I, myself, am merely 3/4ths Chicano with the other 1/4th being Native American... but I am no Norteno. I am not in touch with my Native American claim at all because my Grandpa who holds that 50% trait was never around. Sad. I wonder if we have a casino out there somewhere?!
leader I am a "mojado" I was born to a mexicano dad, chicana mom on a trip to a funeral in mexico.
and again ask everyone on here what there varrio consists of and you'll have a different racial breakdown. especially in the valley as opposed to the bay. as always a norteno who is down is cool with me no matter race or the way they dress. and another thang you can not go by the net as a way of determining things. cause then i would think all surenos were from LA named joker that listened to shadow. cause the majority of ppl claiming to be sur come out with that identity, but I would be a fool to think that. and I know a lot of surs that are not mexican or even want to be associated with mexico. and they are on the eme card.
But in all reality don't go by what you see on the net cause it is only a small number that come on here. for example you can't use my postings as a representive of what all centro valle ene's go through cause we haven't seen enes from DINA, TULA, EXETER, PORTERVILLE, OROSI, CUTLER, VISA, PARLIER, LEEMORE, AND OTHER CENTRO VALLE PPL. so there is no way anyone can come to a conclusion of ene's from Fresno south. and I suspect other regions are not properly represented. so yes it is true there are non chicanos in our gang but not as prevelant as you think.
and again ask everyone on here what there varrio consists of and you'll have a different racial breakdown. especially in the valley as opposed to the bay. as always a norteno who is down is cool with me no matter race or the way they dress. and another thang you can not go by the net as a way of determining things. cause then i would think all surenos were from LA named joker that listened to shadow. cause the majority of ppl claiming to be sur come out with that identity, but I would be a fool to think that. and I know a lot of surs that are not mexican or even want to be associated with mexico. and they are on the eme card.
But in all reality don't go by what you see on the net cause it is only a small number that come on here. for example you can't use my postings as a representive of what all centro valle ene's go through cause we haven't seen enes from DINA, TULA, EXETER, PORTERVILLE, OROSI, CUTLER, VISA, PARLIER, LEEMORE, AND OTHER CENTRO VALLE PPL. so there is no way anyone can come to a conclusion of ene's from Fresno south. and I suspect other regions are not properly represented. so yes it is true there are non chicanos in our gang but not as prevelant as you think.
No disrespect or nuthin but just because in freson gangs are mixed it dont mean the whole valle is like that. Wear in from in watsonville, its all chicanos (Mexicans-Americans) in Norteno gangs. Same in Vegas, you can get courtchecked for having a white dude or black dude in your set. Even tho theres this 1 white guy and 2 black guys in my set. It dont mean we ganna make a habbit of leting othere non-chicanos in homie. The old cats think it makes you look weak, and we all kinda sort of in a way dont like non-chicanos. I dont know how to put it, but when i first started posting hear you may of seen me call black people names in my threads, well thats how we all are hear. Blacks and Mexicans dont get along hear. We stick to the Brown i gusse man.
^^^^^^naw in fresno it aint mixed on the norteno sets. that is my point. my quote of "and again ask everyone on here what there varrio consists of and you'll have a different racial breakdown. especially in the valley as opposed to the bay." was that if you asked me 99.99% of nortenos are chicano in my experience. and if you asked around the whole norte the racial breakdown would be different from leaders thinking that most northern sets have substantial amount of numbers that are not chicano. cause the varrio's I've met up with from fresno south have damn near every member chicano.
I admit I left it kinda open, but I meant what I typed up above.
I admit I left it kinda open, but I meant what I typed up above.
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Man if any Norteno is gonna discriminate and have a set mind that only Chicanos can be down than thas just gonna hold the whole movement bacc....thas the way majority of scraps and Eme think....they dont even think most Nortenos is mexican enough to be part of the race so how is a Norteno gonna say who is down enough based on their color??? Remember we all came from the same place at one time or another.....Indians came from up North after crossin over the Bering Straight from Asia......so we all got a lil asian in us as well...what you think the Mongolian Tails represent??? thas shit that came from the Warriors in Mongolia which is right above China......they are our anscestors....so now all you PURE CHICANO ENES can go slap yourself around for allowin asian descendants into your set........