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AND THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO ADD MORE ULTRA CONSERVATIVE JUDGES TO THE BENCH?
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High court OKs personal property seizures
Majority: Local officials know how best to help cities

WASHINGTON (AP) -- -- The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses -- even against their will -- for private economic development.

It was a decision fraught with huge implications for a country with many areas, particularly the rapidly growing urban and suburban areas, facing countervailing pressures of development and property ownership rights.

The 5-4 ruling represented a defeat for some Connecticut residents whose homes are slated for destruction to make room for an office complex. They argued that cities have no right to take their land except for projects with a clear public use, such as roads or schools, or to revitalize blighted areas.

As a result, cities have wide power to bulldoze residences for projects such as shopping malls and hotel complexes to generate tax revenue.

Local officials, not federal judges, know best in deciding whether a development project will benefit the community, justices said.

"The city has carefully formulated an economic development that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including -- but by no means limited to -- new jobs and increased tax revenue," Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the majority.

He was joined by Justice Anthony Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.

At issue was the scope of the Fifth Amendment, which allows governments to take private property through eminent domain if the land is for "public use."

Susette Kelo and several other homeowners in a working-class neighborhood in New London, Connecticut, filed suit after city officials announced plans to raze their homes for a riverfront hotel, health club and offices.

New London officials countered that the private development plans served a public purpose of boosting economic growth that outweighed the homeowners' property rights, even if the area wasn't blighted.

Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who has been a key swing vote on many cases before the court, issued a stinging dissent. She argued that cities should not have unlimited authority to uproot families, even if they are provided compensation, simply to accommodate wealthy developers.

The lower courts had been divided on the issue, with many allowing a taking only if it eliminates blight.

"Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random," O'Connor wrote. "The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."

She was joined in her opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, as well as Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.




Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/scotus.property.ap/index.html
 
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this article below is the staple which must be taken seriously and fiercely to begin a new organization of living for EVERYONE.

MY OWN IDEAS FROM THIS RULING:

Rental facilities (ie all hotels, rental apartments, homes used to rent, residents with multiple homes (1house/per person) and offices (with a view) will be reallocated to house first; the men and women without housing property; second to home owners residing in homes unlivable due to unlicensed and/or faulty constructions, un-livable, or hazardous living conditions; and third for a temporary housing to individuals and families pending completion of housing reconstructions. Large mansions over 6bedrooms – will be allocated to orphans, the elderly, mentally challenged, and rehabilitation centers. (including inmates identified for rehabilitation).

All residents in areas identified “in poverty” shall be allocated to reside in 5 star hotels suites. Anyone working in those hotels will also be allocated to suites in hopes to train the maintenance of the hotels for the new residents. The owners of the hotels will be given the option to assist in the clean-up and future development of the areas which have been identified to be "in poverty" and/or organize new housing development with city wide planners. In-Poverty area with amazing views will develop housing skyscrapers for better living views, dependent on any health hazards areas. Reconstruction or new housing depended on individual or group housing preference.

all future housing development shall cease in hope to identify housing inventory for the reallocation of residents and reconstruction of existing properties.

Housing payments will no longer be needed. Property taxes shall cease from all housing residents, except only to multimillion+ businesses & commercial property.
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An great human idea can only be developed in conversation and in force. They thought this ruling would only benefit the rich to build their roads to their mansions...now... The People must be the ultimate organizers, not the rich or business policies or the government.
 
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TOKZTLI said:
"The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."

She was joined in her opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, as well as Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

This is the part that gets me going.


Also, Clarence Thomas vote is making me consider what the democrats have said about him.
 
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....Were they thinking?! How is that going to make any community better if you can seize or bulldoze homes to make way for private use. What stops the city officials from seizing everyone's property for themselves??? cuz thats what i'd do... take whatever the fuck i want, and get away with it. This makes way for some fucking CORRUPT government... organized crime is gonna be all over this shit... this is the holy grail for them, get political power and be able to seize property for your own use... nationwide caponeville.
 
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I wish I wish I wish I could just say all of you are conspiracy nuts but man, why would anyone really need this type of power?I mean, moves are being made by the suit and tie crowd but how many people are really givin a fuck.when the revolution starts, if you dont got strap=spead your cheeks
 
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SOAK::GAME said:
so what are the implications of this?

i hope its not what i'm thinking.... that the city can just force an owner to move out with out having to pay him for what his house is worth.....

The implications are that a city that is not doing so well financially, can decide to come into your neighborhood, give you bottom dollar for your property and tell you to get gone because they are going to build a stripmall over your block. You will get compensated, but only at fair market value. What sucks is, maybe you dont want to move, maybe you lived in that house since your gramma bought it, and you will have no choice but to leave - walking or on a stretcher, the government is taking the spot and the cops are backing them up. It fucken sucks and it is now the law of the land.
 
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the dreamer said:
I wish I wish I wish I could just say all of you are conspiracy nuts but man, why would anyone really need this type of power?I mean, moves are being made by the suit and tie crowd but how many people are really givin a fuck.when the revolution starts, if you dont got strap=spead your cheeks

Some would say we are already getting our cheeks spread.
 
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Eminent domain: A big-box bonanza?
Court's ruling OKed land grab for business like Target, Home Depot, CostCo, Bed Bath & Beyond
June 24, 2005: 2:43 PM EDT
By Parija Bhatnagar, CNN/Money staff writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The Supreme Court may have just delivered an early Christmas gift to the nation's biggest retailers by its ruling Thursday allowing governments to take private land for business development.

Retailers such as Target (Research), Home Depot (Research) and Bed, Bath & Beyond (Research) have thus far managed to keep the "eminent domain" issue under the radar -- and sidestep a prickly public relations problem -- even as these companies continue to expand their footprint into more urban residential areas where prime retail space isn't always easily found.

Eminent domain is a legal principle that allows the government to take private property for a "public use," such as a school or roads and bridges, in exchange for just compensation.

Local governments have increasingly expanded the scope of public use to include commercial entities such as shopping malls or independent retail stores. Critics of the process maintain that local governments are too quick to invoke eminent domain on behalf of big retailers because of the potential for tax revenue generation and job creation.

The Supreme Court's decision Thursday clarified that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses -- even against their will -- for private and public economic development.

The ruling would seem to offer new opportunities to retailers. However, some industry watchers caution that with Thursday's decision thrusting the eminent domain issue into the national spotlight, companies using eminent domain risk a very public backlash.

Craig Johnson, president of retail consulting group Customer Growth Partners, said that retailers shouldn't interpret the high court's decision to be a green light to aggressively expand even into those neighborhoods where a big-box presence is unwelcome.

"Even with the Supreme Court's decision potentially in their favor, smart retailers would rather go into communities wearing a white hat rather than a black one," said Johnson.

The appropriate move for companies would be to selectively use eminent domain as a last resort, he said, not as a first course of action. "I think companies have learned a few lessons from Wal-Mart's public relations struggles," he said.

Where's the space crunch?
According to industry watchers, retailers face a different type of expansion problem on the East Coast versus the West Coast.

"On the West Coast, land availability takes a back seat to labor union issues and that's why Wal-Mart has consistently run into problems in California," Johnson said. "On the East Coast, because of population density it's very hard to get big open space and the zoning is more restrictive," Johnson said.

Industry consultant George Whalin said that's one reason that Target, the No. 2 retailer behind Wal-Mart, (Research) has resorted to using eminent domain to set up shop in a few East Coast markets.

Target and Wal-Mart could not immediately be reached for comment.

"Wal-Mart and Target have both been criticized for their eminent domain use," said Burt Flickinger, a consultant with the Strategic Resources Group.

Meanwhile, eminent domain opponents called the high court ruling a "big blow for small businesses."

"It's crazy to think about replacing existing successful small businesses with other businesses," said Adrian Moore, vice president of Los Angeles-based Reason Public Policy Institute, a non-profit organization opposed to eminent domain.

"There are many, many instances where we've found that the cities that agreed to eminent domain use not only destroyed local businesses but the tax revenue that the local government had hoped to generate did not come to pass," Moore said.

But at least one retail industry analyst sees things a little differently.

"Expanding for big box store is a challenge, especially in the Northeast. Therefore, retailers will have to devise a strategy for using eminent domain," said Candace Corlett, retail analyst with WSL Strategic nRetail.

"Local communities may oppose Wal-Mart and Target coming to their area but as consumers, they also want to shop at these stores and they complain when they don't have these stores nearby," she said. "The fact is that shoppers ultimately vote with their dollars and retailers are very well aware of that."

Click here to read about whether the government can force you to sell your house in the name of new development.








Find this article at:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/23/news/fortune500/retail_eminentdomain/index.htm?cnn=yes
 
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TOKZTLI said:
AND THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO ADD MORE ULTRA CONSERVATIVE JUDGES TO THE BENCH?
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High court OKs personal property seizures
Majority: Local officials know how best to help cities

WASHINGTON (AP) -- -- The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses -- even against their will -- for private economic development.

"The city has carefully formulated an economic development that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including -- but by no means limited to -- new jobs and increased tax revenue," Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the majority.

He was joined by Justice Anthony Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.


Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who has been a key swing vote on many cases before the court, issued a stinging dissent. She argued that cities should not have unlimited authority to uproot families, even if they are provided compensation, simply to accommodate wealthy developers.

The lower courts had been divided on the issue, with many allowing a taking only if it eliminates blight.

"Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random," O'Connor wrote. "The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."

She was joined in her opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, as well as Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
in case you didnt know their are 3 Conservatives on the Supreme Court (Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas.) with oconnor being a moderate.

the rest of the judges on the high court are LIBERALS so where do you get off saying "AND THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO ADD MORE ULTRA CONSERVATIVE JUDGES TO THE BENCH?"
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
the rest of the judges on the high court are LIBERALS so where do you get off saying "AND THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO ADD MORE ULTRA CONSERVATIVE JUDGES TO THE BENCH?"
It seems to me, the republicans are already getting what they want: business/government happy decrees by the Supreme Court. Do they really need to stack the deck further? How do you feel about Liberal judges making your conservative fantasies come true?