pussies,fag lovers and people who don't know why they are protesting........that is who i see opposing the war......fuckin' wannabe hippies that just want to make a fuss and have no clue to the full story.I voted for Bush because he had good relations with latinos in texas when he was governor,and he's against abortion.Every black i know supports the war,so i don't know what your talkin bout.My girl,is black......her family is black.....and when we have discussed it,they aren't against overthrowing a piece of shit dictator that oppresses his people.Why are ya'll so ignorant to the fact that they(iraqi people)dont want to live under him....just too scared to say anything in fear of being shot.Get real,you know you wouldnt want to live under saddam....so why should the iraqi peple have to????Why not give them freedom they've never had.......why not help bring these poor people into the 21st century,look how they live.The reason ya'll don't want the war is to put pressure on Bush and make him look bad.Are you smart enough to make the decisions he has to make?Please,let me know,and if you are,then run next time.
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http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=77dbfc8a1e955bfab664a22fadbc95ee
More Blacks Than Whites Oppose War
Despite the preponderance of white faces in the anti-war protests in American cities, recent polls show that African Americans are more likely than whites to oppose going to war with Iraq, reports the weekly Sun Reporter in San Francisco.
In recent Gallup Polls, whites supported invasion by a margin of 58 percent for the war to 37 percent opposed. Blacks, on the other hand, showed opposite numbers with 56 percent opposing and only 37 percent in favor of invasion, according to the report.
Racism, discrimination and a general distrust of government and conservative Republicans are fueling anti-war sentiments in the African-American community, says Gerald Harris of Oakland, who marched recently in an anti-war rally in San Francisco.
The report also states that there is the feeling that blacks – who make up a third of U.S. land troops in Europe – will pay a higher price for war, but still end up lacking equality and freedom at home as race profiling and job and housing bias linger.
There are also concerns that war will siphon needed programs from hard hit communities. “African Americans are disproportionately a people in need of government resources,” said Ronald Walters, director of the, African American leadership Institute, University of Maryland.
http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=77dbfc8a1e955bfab664a22fadbc95ee
More Blacks Than Whites Oppose War
Despite the preponderance of white faces in the anti-war protests in American cities, recent polls show that African Americans are more likely than whites to oppose going to war with Iraq, reports the weekly Sun Reporter in San Francisco.
In recent Gallup Polls, whites supported invasion by a margin of 58 percent for the war to 37 percent opposed. Blacks, on the other hand, showed opposite numbers with 56 percent opposing and only 37 percent in favor of invasion, according to the report.
Racism, discrimination and a general distrust of government and conservative Republicans are fueling anti-war sentiments in the African-American community, says Gerald Harris of Oakland, who marched recently in an anti-war rally in San Francisco.
The report also states that there is the feeling that blacks – who make up a third of U.S. land troops in Europe – will pay a higher price for war, but still end up lacking equality and freedom at home as race profiling and job and housing bias linger.
There are also concerns that war will siphon needed programs from hard hit communities. “African Americans are disproportionately a people in need of government resources,” said Ronald Walters, director of the, African American leadership Institute, University of Maryland.
http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/031403/a0114nowar.html
Most blacks oppose war in Iraq
By NOREEN O'DONNELL
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: March 14, 2003)
Marc Edwards could not be more appalled as he watches President Bush push ahead with plans for war. If the United States invades Iraq, a disproportionate number of blacks will be among the troops, said the 45-year-old Harlem resident.
Other minorities will be the war's victims, he said, adding that black families will be especially hard hit by its costs.
"It's a war that's threatening to send this economy reeling and that's going to really hurt black people," Edwards, a bookstore marketing supervisor, said while standing on 125th Street.
As Bush and his Cabinet continue trying to line up support in the United Nations Security Council for military action against Saddam Hussein and other countries prove difficult to sway, opposition at home among many blacks is unyielding.
In interviews in Harlem, outside the United Nations and in the northern suburbs, blacks were overwhelmingly against a war and almost uniformly suspicious of Bush and his motives. Few thought the United States had made a persuasive case for a pre-emptive strike. Many said Bush was playing on American fears following Sept. 11.
Bonnie Walker, a 42-year-old representative for Tiffany & Co., lost a friend when the World Trade Center was attacked by terrorists.
"But still I wouldn't want to settle it by going to war," she said as she hurried along 125th Street.
The Bush administration's attempts to link Saddam Hussein with al-Qaida had done little to convince most of those interviewed of the need for an invasion. Some, like 24-year-old editor and writer Sharifa Rhodes-Pitts, think antiwar activists should acknowledge that terrorism is a threat, but she remains against the war. Trying to strong-arm the rest of the world will simply make the United States even more hated, others said.
"So many people are trying to be so patriotic, and that's wonderful," Hazel Smith, 62, the retired managing editor of the New York Beacon, a black newspaper in New York City, said on 125th Street. "We love the flag, all of us. We love this country. But our country's beginning to disappoint us a little bit. I hate to believe we're becoming the ugly Americans they used to talk about years ago."
A survey this month of New York City residents found sharp differences among racial and ethnic groups in attitudes toward an impending war. A full 62 percent of blacks opposed a war under any circumstances, compared to only 26 percent of whites. Hispanics fell in between with 51 percent opposed, according to the poll conducted by Blum & Weprin Associates for Newsday/New York 1.
The results match national figures. A Pew Research Center poll last month similarly found black support for the war at the lowest level of any group questioned — 44 percent, compared to 73 percent among whites and 67 percent among Latinos.
"Blacks have historically been against a large number of wars," said Walter Stafford, a professor of urban planning and public policy at New York University's Wagner School of Public Service, who recently wrote about black opposition to the war in the Amsterdam News.
A lack of civil rights at home spurred a reluctance to fight for democracy abroad, he said. Wars overseas, he added, often meant rights were undermined, as occurred when President Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society was derailed by the Vietnam War. Blacks see a racial dimension to this war, he said, as evidenced by the slur "sand niggers" to demean Arabs.
When the United States attacks developing countries, he said, "Blacks who live on a precipice themselves understand what it means."
The opposition is reflected in last year's vote giving Bush authority to wage war on Iraq if Saddam fails to abandon his biological, chemical and nuclear arms programs. Thirty-four of the 38 members of the Congressional Black Caucus voted against the measure.
Solid opposition in the black community has not translated into large attendance at peace marches. Blacks should be protesting, but may be wary of appearing unpatriotic, says 44-year-old Yao Cunningham, one of the few black men at a recent rally in Cortlandt.
"It's against innocent people," said the Peekskill resident. "Get Saddam out, yes, but don't kill innocent people."
To be sure, not all blacks are against military action. Saddam has had enough time to disarm, said Willie Lee, a retired postal worker from White Plains who served in the Army in Germany in the early 1960s. The United States must act; its citizens need to stop second-guessing their president's motives.
"We just got to do what we got to do," he said. "Get it over with, that's all. Wars today are not going to take that long, not going to be that destructive."
Vietnam veteran David C. Smith, a Chestnut Ridge resident who was a paratrooper in the Army, said he sided with Secretary of State Colin Powell. The Sept. 11 attacks were not aimed at a specific race or ethnicity, he said, but at all Americans.
"When you look at the flag, it doesn't depict black or white," said Smith, 59, the president of Paragon Systems, a Spring Valley company that makes corrugated boxes. "It's red, white and blue. That's the freedom we enjoy."
"I believe the administration has tried to be patient," he said.
Powell presents a dilemma for many black Americans, observers said. On the one hand, they are proud of his position in the government; on the other, he works for a president who drew only 9 percent of the black vote in the 2000 election. Edwards conceded that part of what drives the antiwar sentiment among blacks is a deep distrust of Bush.
"There's almost a knee-jerk reaction: If this guy says it's OK, there's something wrong with it," he said. "And I don't think that's necessarily a bad reaction for black people to have."
A community already suspicious of Bush's motives worries too about the amount of money to be funneled to military uses. Like many blacks, Nanuet resident Charles Butler believes social programs especially needed in the black community will be hurt. Butler, a retired photographer, served in the Korean War.
"If we do go to war, it's going to be in the billions," he said. "I see us spending more money on guns than butter. Our social service programs are going to be on the back burner. The problem of AIDS in Africa is going to be on the back burner. I hate to see them close down good butter-type programs."
And if blacks fear social programs are to be slashed at home, they also believe black men would unfairly bear the brunt of the fighting overseas. Black men and women are disproportionately represented in the armed forces: 22 percent of the enlisted forces was black in 2000, compared to 12 percent of the general population, though studies have shown combat casualties are not as high.
Beyond the deaths among the military, there is the likelihood of civilian casualties among the Iraqis, much on the mind of most interviewed.
"I don't think war solves any problems," said Dwayne Davis of Tarrytown, a 37-year-old office employee of Westcon Associates, a company that distributes computer parts. "I think it causes more chaos than anything. Plus innocent people are going to die."
And among some is the suspicion that Bush would be less eager to go to war if the adversary were a European country.
"The fact that these are people of color has a lot to do with Bush's readiness to just drop bombs on them," Edwards said.
Most blacks oppose war in Iraq
By NOREEN O'DONNELL
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: March 14, 2003)
Marc Edwards could not be more appalled as he watches President Bush push ahead with plans for war. If the United States invades Iraq, a disproportionate number of blacks will be among the troops, said the 45-year-old Harlem resident.
Other minorities will be the war's victims, he said, adding that black families will be especially hard hit by its costs.
"It's a war that's threatening to send this economy reeling and that's going to really hurt black people," Edwards, a bookstore marketing supervisor, said while standing on 125th Street.
As Bush and his Cabinet continue trying to line up support in the United Nations Security Council for military action against Saddam Hussein and other countries prove difficult to sway, opposition at home among many blacks is unyielding.
In interviews in Harlem, outside the United Nations and in the northern suburbs, blacks were overwhelmingly against a war and almost uniformly suspicious of Bush and his motives. Few thought the United States had made a persuasive case for a pre-emptive strike. Many said Bush was playing on American fears following Sept. 11.
Bonnie Walker, a 42-year-old representative for Tiffany & Co., lost a friend when the World Trade Center was attacked by terrorists.
"But still I wouldn't want to settle it by going to war," she said as she hurried along 125th Street.
The Bush administration's attempts to link Saddam Hussein with al-Qaida had done little to convince most of those interviewed of the need for an invasion. Some, like 24-year-old editor and writer Sharifa Rhodes-Pitts, think antiwar activists should acknowledge that terrorism is a threat, but she remains against the war. Trying to strong-arm the rest of the world will simply make the United States even more hated, others said.
"So many people are trying to be so patriotic, and that's wonderful," Hazel Smith, 62, the retired managing editor of the New York Beacon, a black newspaper in New York City, said on 125th Street. "We love the flag, all of us. We love this country. But our country's beginning to disappoint us a little bit. I hate to believe we're becoming the ugly Americans they used to talk about years ago."
A survey this month of New York City residents found sharp differences among racial and ethnic groups in attitudes toward an impending war. A full 62 percent of blacks opposed a war under any circumstances, compared to only 26 percent of whites. Hispanics fell in between with 51 percent opposed, according to the poll conducted by Blum & Weprin Associates for Newsday/New York 1.
The results match national figures. A Pew Research Center poll last month similarly found black support for the war at the lowest level of any group questioned — 44 percent, compared to 73 percent among whites and 67 percent among Latinos.
"Blacks have historically been against a large number of wars," said Walter Stafford, a professor of urban planning and public policy at New York University's Wagner School of Public Service, who recently wrote about black opposition to the war in the Amsterdam News.
A lack of civil rights at home spurred a reluctance to fight for democracy abroad, he said. Wars overseas, he added, often meant rights were undermined, as occurred when President Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society was derailed by the Vietnam War. Blacks see a racial dimension to this war, he said, as evidenced by the slur "sand niggers" to demean Arabs.
When the United States attacks developing countries, he said, "Blacks who live on a precipice themselves understand what it means."
The opposition is reflected in last year's vote giving Bush authority to wage war on Iraq if Saddam fails to abandon his biological, chemical and nuclear arms programs. Thirty-four of the 38 members of the Congressional Black Caucus voted against the measure.
Solid opposition in the black community has not translated into large attendance at peace marches. Blacks should be protesting, but may be wary of appearing unpatriotic, says 44-year-old Yao Cunningham, one of the few black men at a recent rally in Cortlandt.
"It's against innocent people," said the Peekskill resident. "Get Saddam out, yes, but don't kill innocent people."
To be sure, not all blacks are against military action. Saddam has had enough time to disarm, said Willie Lee, a retired postal worker from White Plains who served in the Army in Germany in the early 1960s. The United States must act; its citizens need to stop second-guessing their president's motives.
"We just got to do what we got to do," he said. "Get it over with, that's all. Wars today are not going to take that long, not going to be that destructive."
Vietnam veteran David C. Smith, a Chestnut Ridge resident who was a paratrooper in the Army, said he sided with Secretary of State Colin Powell. The Sept. 11 attacks were not aimed at a specific race or ethnicity, he said, but at all Americans.
"When you look at the flag, it doesn't depict black or white," said Smith, 59, the president of Paragon Systems, a Spring Valley company that makes corrugated boxes. "It's red, white and blue. That's the freedom we enjoy."
"I believe the administration has tried to be patient," he said.
Powell presents a dilemma for many black Americans, observers said. On the one hand, they are proud of his position in the government; on the other, he works for a president who drew only 9 percent of the black vote in the 2000 election. Edwards conceded that part of what drives the antiwar sentiment among blacks is a deep distrust of Bush.
"There's almost a knee-jerk reaction: If this guy says it's OK, there's something wrong with it," he said. "And I don't think that's necessarily a bad reaction for black people to have."
A community already suspicious of Bush's motives worries too about the amount of money to be funneled to military uses. Like many blacks, Nanuet resident Charles Butler believes social programs especially needed in the black community will be hurt. Butler, a retired photographer, served in the Korean War.
"If we do go to war, it's going to be in the billions," he said. "I see us spending more money on guns than butter. Our social service programs are going to be on the back burner. The problem of AIDS in Africa is going to be on the back burner. I hate to see them close down good butter-type programs."
And if blacks fear social programs are to be slashed at home, they also believe black men would unfairly bear the brunt of the fighting overseas. Black men and women are disproportionately represented in the armed forces: 22 percent of the enlisted forces was black in 2000, compared to 12 percent of the general population, though studies have shown combat casualties are not as high.
Beyond the deaths among the military, there is the likelihood of civilian casualties among the Iraqis, much on the mind of most interviewed.
"I don't think war solves any problems," said Dwayne Davis of Tarrytown, a 37-year-old office employee of Westcon Associates, a company that distributes computer parts. "I think it causes more chaos than anything. Plus innocent people are going to die."
And among some is the suspicion that Bush would be less eager to go to war if the adversary were a European country.
"The fact that these are people of color has a lot to do with Bush's readiness to just drop bombs on them," Edwards said.
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Just because stats show that a large percentage of blacks oppose the war, that DOESN'T mean we all oppose the war. There are a lot of blacks that support removing Sadaam, and there are a lot of blacks that don't support the war. However more blacks oppose the war than support it......When I was talking about blacks I meant them as a collective group.
I do not see the invasion of Iraq like you. To you people like me maybe pussies, however to me people like you are naive and ignorant. We both don't see each other in good light huh?
LOL!!
Just because stats show that a large percentage of blacks oppose the war, that DOESN'T mean we all oppose the war. There are a lot of blacks that support removing Sadaam, and there are a lot of blacks that don't support the war. However more blacks oppose the war than support it......When I was talking about blacks I meant them as a collective group.
I do not see the invasion of Iraq like you. To you people like me maybe pussies, however to me people like you are naive and ignorant. We both don't see each other in good light huh?
LOL!!
That doesn't take into account tho that there are more whites than blacks so the percentages don't really match. like 37% of whites is more people than 37% of blacks. This could be figured out tho, lemme go run a search and see how many whites and blacks are in the country, I'll come back with numbers of people not percentages of groups...
Your stats are flawed because if we were to divide the black and white population equally more blacks would oppose the war than whites. For example, lets say.... There were 120,000,000 blacks and 120,000,000 whites...
56% of the black population would=67,200,000
37% of the white population would= 44,400,000
Blacks oppose by a large number...
56% of the black population would=67,200,000
37% of the white population would= 44,400,000
Blacks oppose by a large number...
My stats aren't flawed, they are exact numbers of the population. I understand what you are saying, within the WHITE community more support the war, and within the BLACK community more are against the war, BUT in the WHOLE community, more whites apose the war than ANY other ethnic group. So it would be inacurate to say that more black people are against the war than white people. You see more white people protesting because their are MORE white people against the war than black people.
I don't know of an article that has ever use those stats from your point of view. There are 5 times more whites than blacks. It doesn't matter if all blacks oppose the war, whites that oppose the war will out number blacks. It's all about the percentage. How many percent of blacks oppose the war than whites? This gives you an accurate analysis on how each groups feel about the war....
Lets also remember that those stats never implied that in the whole community that the number of blacks opposing the war were greater than whites...The used percentages to make there case...
Lets also remember that those stats never implied that in the whole community that the number of blacks opposing the war were greater than whites...The used percentages to make there case...
i'm ignorant???OK,homie.Just because i think iraqi people deserve the same freedom we have??because i believe everyone does in any country???C'mon,your talkin' out your ass,you calling me ignorant cause i know what kind of an asshole saddam is.YOU KNOW ANY IRAQI IMMIGRANTS?????Have you heard stories?????Probably not.Cut the bullshit man.Why do you oppose the war????i dont WANT WAR..........get that str8,but it's sometimes got to go down like that.You people talkin' about Bush wants the ''oil''............DON'T YOU KNOW IF HE DID THAT IT WOULD BE A WAR CRIME???????????ARE YOU EVEN COMPETENT ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T JUST GO TO SOMEONES' COUNTRY,WAGE WAR...THEN TAKE THE MAIN RESOURCE????wow.............i dunno..........we got idiots in america for real.Quote from one of my flows
on't even know shit but got their heads crammed down the toilet :devious:
on't even know shit but got their heads crammed down the toilet :devious:
MR.VILLAIN said:
i'm ignorant???OK,homie.Just because i think iraqi people deserve the same freedom we have??because i believe everyone does in any country???C'mon,your talkin' out your ass,you calling me ignorant cause i know what kind of an asshole saddam is.YOU KNOW ANY IRAQI IMMIGRANTS?????Have you heard stories?????Probably not.Cut the bullshit man.Why do you oppose the war????i dont WANT WAR..........get that str8,but it's sometimes got to go down like that.You people talkin' about Bush wants the ''oil''............DON'T YOU KNOW IF HE DID THAT IT WOULD BE A WAR CRIME???????????ARE YOU EVEN COMPETENT ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T JUST GO TO SOMEONES' COUNTRY,WAGE WAR...THEN TAKE THE MAIN RESOURCE????wow.............i dunno..........we got idiots in america for real.Quote from one of my flowson't even know shit but got their heads crammed down the toilet :devious:
on't even know shit but got their heads crammed down the toilet :devious: