Should the United States Use Military Force in Darfur?

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MaddDogg

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If you watched the Democratic Presidential debate the other night there seemed to be a lot of consensus regarding most issues. One issue that seemed to be different all across the board was US policy toward Sudan / Darfur.

Should the United States use military force in Darfur? If so, what type of forces and numbers? What about a no fly zone?

What can/should other countries in the world do with regards to Darfur? What should the EU, China, and other world players do about the situation?

What would the role of other African countries, the African Union, and the United Nations be?

Does the government of Sudan deserve to be considered the country's gaurdian and if not what would take its place?
 
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We have to get out of Iraq first, i think if Obama is elected president then there is a chance of going in but not for at least 2-3 years
 
coondogg26

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Pressure China to place sanctions on the country, send a "small" group of troops over there to protect refugees and if that combination doesn't work then if we are out of Iraq i would be for an invasion but only with combined forces from America, G.B, and the E.U
 
ColdBlooded

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How about stop funding the opposition groups that are trying to divide Sudan? How about stop putting weapons shipments in with "humanitarian" deliveries?


How much do you even know about Darfur? Why do you think this is even an issue being played up?
 
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There are a number of countries fueling the violence there and I am not denying that.

Everyone knows why its an issue being played up. Its tragedy and nothing has been done by anyone to stop it.

Do you have a policy reccomendation or is the status quo fine with you?
 
ColdBlooded

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It has more to do with neo-cons, Islam, Israel, and oil than it has ever had to do with the deaths of thousands of people.

The death of a bunch of dark skinned non-american non-english speaking southern hemispheric peoples has never been a tragedy to anyone in power in this country. Why would now be any different?

All of a sudden George Clooney or some other Hollywood do-gooder starts talking about an issue and people are jumping on board the cause without even knowing the deal. Y'all are gettin played.
 
JoMoDo

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It's straight genocide that's been goin' on for way to long... and the war crimes are atrocities.

Yes military action should be exercised.
 
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ColdBlooded said:
It has more to do with neo-cons, Islam, Israel, and oil than it has ever had to do with the deaths of thousands of people.

The death of a bunch of dark skinned non-american non-english speaking southern hemispheric peoples has never been a tragedy to anyone in power in this country. Why would now be any different?

All of a sudden George Clooney or some other Hollywood do-gooder starts talking about an issue and people are jumping on board the cause without even knowing the deal. Y'all are gettin played.
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ColdBlooded said:
It has more to do with neo-cons, Islam, Israel, and oil than it has ever had to do with the deaths of thousands of people.

The death of a bunch of dark skinned non-american non-english speaking southern hemispheric peoples has never been a tragedy to anyone in power in this country. Why would now be any different?

All of a sudden George Clooney or some other Hollywood do-gooder starts talking about an issue and people are jumping on board the cause without even knowing the deal. Y'all are gettin played.
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I'm not an expert on the issue but from what I know about the issue in Darfur is the same thing that has haPPENED In Sierra Leone,Rwanda,and tons of other nations across the world. All the military presence in the world will not stop the genocide.... because of the hate betwenn these people in the first place and I agree with Cold Blooded... the only reason we or any other EU country would go and help is to gain control of resources and say we were a friend so they owe us the resources.... It would just be more hell for the people of this country and drive in an even deeper hole then we already are. As sad as it is.... we wouldnt be able to stop it even if we intervened. We would just be prolonging the process and building up more hatred.
 
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Fuck I just lost my post, the fact of the matter is the crisis in Darfur is all about capital gain. No tribe could produce enough funding to kill 450,000 people. Sudan is an oil rich country, Russia and China want control of the region and the oil.

In the past sugar and access to sugar and the land which sugar cane grew were the reason behind many wars, oil has now become the commodity worth fighting for. Its sad but true.
 
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ColdBlooded said:
It has more to do with neo-cons, Islam, Israel, and oil than it has ever had to do with the deaths of thousands of people.

The death of a bunch of dark skinned non-american non-english speaking southern hemispheric peoples has never been a tragedy to anyone in power in this country. Why would now be any different?

All of a sudden George Clooney or some other Hollywood do-gooder starts talking about an issue and people are jumping on board the cause without even knowing the deal. Y'all are gettin played.
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I dont know if I agree with it having to do with Neo-cons and Israel but I do agree with your George Clooney assumption that many people jump on board "without even knowing the deal." I don't think it is the people in power are as concerned as many common people in the country. I have been to protests where over a half million people have shown up to express themselves and donate money to non-profits and health organizations. I think now would be a different time because the American public has become aware that the current administrations policies are not making America safer and are not using our resources to advance any of the so-called "American Values" found in our constitution and Declaration of Independence. With the upcoming elections a change in government does not nessecarily mean vast change in our current foreign policies but could bring more resources and political pressure for certain causes.

That said I do not claim to be an expert in Sudanese History. I have read up on the issue but it is so multi-faceted it is difficult to grasp what type of World scenerio would help improve the situation. I have seen many posts on Darfur and Sudan but none that really incorporate the international community, the world's big players, NGOs, and of course, US policy, and I thought it would be an interesting discussion to see what people would like to see each player do, ideally.
 
ColdBlooded

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Ask JoMoDo why his Zionist homies have been pushing this Darfur thing so hard.

It ain’t about them having a bleeding heart over some dead darkies.

Who has been pushing the Darfur issue the hardest in the U.S. other than zionists? Neo-cons and right-wing Christians people like Elliot Abrams, Nina Shea, Sen. Sam Brownback, Congressman Tom Tancredo, Robert Seiple, and Andrew Natsios.

It is about “god”, oil (resources), and geo-strategic power.
 
JoMoDo

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ColdBlooded said:
Ask JoMoDo why his Zionist homies have been pushing this Darfur thing so hard.

It ain’t about them having a bleeding heart over some dead darkies.

Who has been pushing the Darfur issue the hardest in the U.S. other than zionists? Neo-cons and right-wing Christians people like Elliot Abrams, Nina Shea, Sen. Sam Brownback, Congressman Tom Tancredo, Robert Seiple, and Andrew Natsios.

It is about “god”, oil (resources), and geo-strategic power.
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