It's all relative to the listener, exactly. But in terms of todays cholo rap music and it's intent, it's cut-and-dry. Surenos dis Nortenos, Nortenos dis Surenos. I think DRF started the whole FUCK THE OTHER SIDE on wax thing sometime in the early 90's (14 vs 13 that is, obviously Crips and Bloods did it before that). Kid Frost wasnt talking about it before then (nor now) and Chicano rap as a whole was more brown pride-ish. Unlike a small town with one gang against another or no rivals or whatever it is that happens in certain areas up there, shit down here is very particular and the numbers of separate sets is astounding. The fact that they are all Surenos makes it more likely that they will purchase Sureno rap music which ~vaguely~ describes their lifestyle, if at all, and which sometimes describes a ~vague~ disliking of something (X4) that most Surenos can agree with regardless of if they ever come across a Norteno in their lives. Just because a dude from THE LOTT and a dude from KING KOBRAS and yet another dude from JARDIN all buy Sureno rap and get a kick out of hearing Nortenos get dissed, that doesnt mean their beefs amongst one another are in any way less serious. You think they wouldnt get more of a kick out of hearing one another get dissed because it hits closer to home? I'm thinking yes. If an album by a dude from JARDIN came out called "_UCK THE LOTT AND KING KOBRAS" do you think it would sell as well to Surenos across the board as a more general pro-Sureno album?
SHIT THAT IS DISGUSTIN EVERYBODY PEEP.
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That was my point.
Yeah. That being cholo rap the chicano equivalent of gangsta rap.
I completely agree.
Don't get my words twisted. I meant that some cities only have 1 Norteno and 1 Sewereno set. I was using Mountain View, because to the best of my knowledge they only have one of each. That does not mean that there are only three Enes and 10 scraps in the city, it just means that ALL Enes and ALL scraps claim the same gang, respectively.
Ok. I never disagreed no anything remotely related to this, all I said was that your definition of Vague is relative. Like I said up here we have both Nortes and Scraps and being one or the other is far away from "vague" to be killed over.
Of course it would sell more, I never said it wouldn't. My point is that to you Norte/Sur is vague. And it is to an extent. I mean it wouldn't be the same if I were to say I'm Mr.Smiley from DGF straight norte savage, but saying puro sur/ puro norte means something. In LA if you yell puro SUR to someone they would probably shrug it off (if done in a non-menacing way) here you say either in the wrong place and you'll get hit up.
Yeah. That being cholo rap the chicano equivalent of gangsta rap.
I completely agree.
Don't get my words twisted. I meant that some cities only have 1 Norteno and 1 Sewereno set. I was using Mountain View, because to the best of my knowledge they only have one of each. That does not mean that there are only three Enes and 10 scraps in the city, it just means that ALL Enes and ALL scraps claim the same gang, respectively.
Ok. I never disagreed no anything remotely related to this, all I said was that your definition of Vague is relative. Like I said up here we have both Nortes and Scraps and being one or the other is far away from "vague" to be killed over.
Of course it would sell more, I never said it wouldn't. My point is that to you Norte/Sur is vague. And it is to an extent. I mean it wouldn't be the same if I were to say I'm Mr.Smiley from DGF straight norte savage, but saying puro sur/ puro norte means something. In LA if you yell puro SUR to someone they would probably shrug it off (if done in a non-menacing way) here you say either in the wrong place and you'll get hit up.
no one in their right mind down here would bother saying "PURO SUR" unless they were directing it at Crips or Maravilla etc., otherwise they would look like idiots.
and i don't undestand what you meant here:
"Don't get my words twisted. I meant that some cities only have 1 Norteno and 1 Sewereno set. I was using Mountain View, because to the best of my knowledge they only have one of each. That does not mean that there are only three Enes and 10 scraps in the city, it just means that ALL Enes and ALL scraps claim the same gang, respectively."
i dont get where i twisted your words...?
and i don't undestand what you meant here:
"Don't get my words twisted. I meant that some cities only have 1 Norteno and 1 Sewereno set. I was using Mountain View, because to the best of my knowledge they only have one of each. That does not mean that there are only three Enes and 10 scraps in the city, it just means that ALL Enes and ALL scraps claim the same gang, respectively."
i dont get where i twisted your words...?
Exactly they would look stupid because it doesn't mean as much down there as it does up here, all of it being relative.
After I said the VMV and the MVS thing you said that (read above.) What I took from it is that in LA you have blocks and have many rivals unlike a small town in the North. That was never what I intended to detail, instead I meant that although some cities might only have two seperate sets that does not mean they have few or no rivals. Mountain View isn't really big but the ALL Surenos belong to their own crew and ALL Nortenos belong to the one Norte crew.
After I said the VMV and the MVS thing you said that (read above.) What I took from it is that in LA you have blocks and have many rivals unlike a small town in the North. That was never what I intended to detail, instead I meant that although some cities might only have two seperate sets that does not mean they have few or no rivals. Mountain View isn't really big but the ALL Surenos belong to their own crew and ALL Nortenos belong to the one Norte crew.
yeah well Fatal Nytemare (sp) himself said that his city (Gilroy) was "scrap free" thanks to him and his homies runnin em out like hoes. That is a whole city totally free of rivals. Of course Gilroy isnt a bigass city by ANY means, but it from what I hear it has somewhat of a reputation as being full of Norteno riders. I'm sure there are more "scrap (rival) free" norteno cities up there too but this is the one that was most explicitly mentioned and it did actually surprise me. So thats why I say that SOME have no rivals, I wasnt talking about evidence presented by you.
is the answer not yet obvious? I thought you knew... ok well; Surenos are plain and simple; GANGSTERS, and gangsters BANG ON ALL RIVALS down here- period, and basically any neighborhood that is not your own is a rival*, and anyone rolling around making it known that he is a cholo to another cholo by saying "PURO SUR" or "PURO anything" is automatically asking to get fucked up or killed and ultimately laughed at for being lame as all fuck. Even some clicks of Maravilla bang on other clicks of Maravilla. Everyone's at war. If you make it clear that you are a particpant (from any side) in that war, you're inviting everything that comes with it.
Simply put: NO ONE is your friend and by calling attention to yourself like that, you're fucking yourself.
*Yes there are exceptions but God Damn, I cant think of one at the moment.
Simply put: NO ONE is your friend and by calling attention to yourself like that, you're fucking yourself.
*Yes there are exceptions but God Damn, I cant think of one at the moment.
when did I say that? notice how i said ASKING not GUARANTEED...
ok how is ^this^ any different than:
??? Are you saying that your story is bullshit too?
...my real point is that they are all rivals here and saying puro sur would alert other rivals that you want to try and rep being a Sureno and they aint going for that because that automatically means you are tryin to be a down gangster and they would be eager to prove that they are downer and wipe you out.
ok this message proves little to nothing, but this guy from F13 names off several rivals and I know for a fact that most of these hold true and that these are the biggest gangs that surround F13's bigass piece of LA. Every one of those except the ECC is a Sureno. 18 is straying but many are still down because of old ties.
ok how is ^this^ any different than:
??? Are you saying that your story is bullshit too?
...my real point is that they are all rivals here and saying puro sur would alert other rivals that you want to try and rep being a Sureno and they aint going for that because that automatically means you are tryin to be a down gangster and they would be eager to prove that they are downer and wipe you out.
ok this message proves little to nothing, but this guy from F13 names off several rivals and I know for a fact that most of these hold true and that these are the biggest gangs that surround F13's bigass piece of LA. Every one of those except the ECC is a Sureno. 18 is straying but many are still down because of old ties.