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714KaliHydro said:
The Green Monster is a life saver for pitchers.

How can Seatlle be considered a pitchers park?
The Mariners make it look like just got beat by a football team.
Bammers right...you ARE a moron...do you even watch the Mariners play?Let alone any baseball????
 
May 6, 2002
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Yes I watch baseball.

All Mariner fans get butt hurt by my Seattle comments..and try to insult me personally. It's nothing new.

I dont make the cut with you guys if Im not a Mariner nut-hugger. Oh well, kcuf it. Maybe if I lived in Montana or Oregon and didnt have a team to root for..then ya, I would be a nut hugger.
 
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714KaliHydro said:
The Green Monster is a life saver for pitchers..
no it isnt


714KaliHydro said:
I would give the pitchers park to Boston.
sorry hydro but fenway is definatley a HITTERS park.

yes the monster is big, but it is also very close to home plate which means balls that would normally be fly outs in other fields become doubles when they bounce off the monster.

oh ya and safeco is a pitchers park but nowhere near as much as dodgers stadium. i would rank safeco somewhere close to SBC in SF
 

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714KaliHydro said:
The Green Monster is a life saver for pitchers.

How can Seatlle be considered a pitchers park?
The Mariners make it look like just got beat by a football team.

by Aaron Gleeman
September 29, 2004

Starting from the top, we can confirm the obvious, which is that Coors Field in Colorado has once again been the best place to call home for hitters. According to ESPN.com, Coors Field has increased overall run scoring by 39.6% this year, which is nearly double the increase hitters have seen from the second-best hitter's ballpark, Ameriquest Field in Arlington, home of the Rangers. Those two ballparks boosting offense isn't surprising, and neither are some of the other parks in the top 10 for run scoring, like Fenway Park in Boston, Skydome in Toronto, Wrigley Field in Chicago, and Bank One Ballpark in Arizona.


Looking a little deeper into overall run scoring shows that U.S. Cellular Field in Chicago has been the best place to hit homers in this year, even better than Coors Field. "The Cell" has boosted long balls by 43.9%, which is a massive increase. Coors Field (+21.1%) actually ranks fourth, behind Wrigley Field (+30.5%) and Bank One Ballpark (+29.4%). While I knew the White Sox have been playing in a great place for hitting, it definitely surprised me that it's been the best place for hitting homers this year, and by a pretty big margin.

The best place for hitting doubles this year has been Fenway Park, which should surprise no one. Being able to bounce a fly ball off the Green Monster has long led to more two-baggers than your average ballpark, and this year Fenway has boosted them by 34.0%. Right behind in second place is Coors Field, which has increased doubles by 29.5% thanks to altitude-aided fly balls and spacious outfield gaps.

For those same reasons, Coors Field has also been one of the best places to hit a triple this year, increasing three-baggers by 64.6% to rank third in baseball, behind Comerica Park in Detroit (+83.6%) and SBC Park (+80.5%). The park factors for triples are a lot more extreme than for anything else, simply because of the overall scarcity of triples compared to singles, doubles and homers.

Now that we've looked at the places that have been friendly to hitters, let's check out the other end of the spectrum: pitcher's parks. For overall run scoring, no place has been worse than Safeco Field in Seattle, which has cut runs by 18.0%. This shouldn't come as much of a surprise, as Safeco Field has been a great place for pitchers since it opened in 1999.

Interestingly though, it hasn't been all that difficult to hit for power in Seattle this year(despite what the Mariners' hitters would have you believe), as Safeco Field has actually been favorable for hitting both homers (+2.8%) and doubles (+3.8%). What has really cut down on the run scoring in Seattle is that Safeco Field has been the worst place in baseball to hit triples (-51.3%) and singles, as hits in general have been cut down by 14.5% despite increases in doubles and homers.

The second-worst place to score runs this year has been Petco Park in San Diego, which has cut run scoring by 16.9% in its very first year. Before a single game had been played there, people were complaining about the power alleys and the way the ball carried. To their credit, the complainers were right on the money, as Petco Park has decreased homers by 30.4%.

Along with Seattle, San Diego and Kansas City, the other ballparks that have been particularly tough on offense this year include the Great American Ballpark in Cincinnati (-14.6%), Tropicana Field in Tampa Bay (-11.4%), the Expos' Olympic Stadium/Hiram Bithorn combo (-10.6%), and Pro Player Stadium in Florida (-10.0%). Some other renowned pitcher's parks like Dodger Stadium (-8.4%) and Comerica Park (-7.5%) have also been tough on hitters.
 

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I think it's because Dodger Stadium has history on it's side.It is notoriously known for being a great place for free agent pitchers to sign.Safeco is brutal aswell,but lefties tend to hit HR's there,it's tough on righties though,that's why Boones year 2 or 3 years ago,was amazing.
 

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Jae Reekay said:
I guess im trippin then cus it looks like in that article that they are sayin that Safeco is harder to hit in then any other park...correct me if im wrong....
Your Right in a sense(statistically in 2004),but as a former pitcher....I can tell you that the reference to "A pitcher's park" casually relates to HR's and Gappers LC RC,and not a fast infield,or spacious foul lines(where doubles and triples occur often).LA is generally known to be a place where it's hard to hit bombs.The Safeco stats are hard to judge based on the dismal offense they had,I think if I dug something from even a .500 year,it would prove my theory.Seattle's offense has lacked a left handed power hitter,and you would see what happened when Palmiero,Tino Martinez,and even when Ibanez was with the Royals could do.I would'nt say your wrong,but I'm a baseball purist,and for years they've said Dodgers,so I'm rollin with it.Now the Boston comment is hilarious,because you look at guy like Ortiz,who never did shit till he cam to Boston,and went Opp Field off of that 312?ft wall.comedy
 
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BAMMER said:
Yah,I'm pretty brutal...I'm not even gonna explain it,but it was legit!!! :devious:

Your potnaz from M@d P@k were just on Court TV again!!!South Park Repp'n
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Youre gona have to explain in order for it to be legit...

Mad Pak still exsists???WTF???