Seattle High School Bars Military Solicitation

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A Seattle High School Bars Military Solicitation, Touching Off Debate Over Iraq War and Free Speech
by Dean Paton

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0518/p02s01-ussc.htm



SEATTLE - While most Parent Teacher Student Association meetings might center on finding funding for better math books or the best way to chaperon a school dance, a recent meeting here at Garfield High School grappled with something much larger - the war in Iraq.

The school is perhaps one of the first in the nation to debate and vote against military recruiting on high school campuses - a topic already simmering at the college level. In fact, the Supreme Court recently agreed to decide whether the federal government can withhold funds from colleges that bar military recruiters.

High schools are struggling with a similar issue as the No Child Left Behind Act requires that schools receiving federal funding must release the names of its students to recruiters. Some feel that's an invasion of privacy prompted by a war effort that has largely divided the American public. Others say barring recruiters is an infringement of free speech - and a snub to the military, particularly in a time of war.

Garfield High School took a decisive step last week with a vote of 25 to 5 to adopt a resolution that says "public schools are not a place for military recruiters."

All this comes as recruiters struggle to meet enlistment goals.

Although PTA chapters are supposed to be "nonsectarian and nonpartisan, which means nonpolitical," according to Jenny Sopko, a spokeswoman for the national PTA in Chicago, Garfield's PTSA cochair maintains that its action is "wholly consistent with our mission."

"The mission of the PTA is to protect and defend kids," says Amy Hagopian, a mother of three whose son is a Garfield senior. "It's not just limited to education issues - which explains why the PTA takes positions on kids' health, violence, and other serious issues."

Garfield, with 1,600 students, is one of Seattle's top high schools, routinely producing bumper crops of National Merit Scholars, plus internationally acclaimed student orchestras and jazz bands. It's also racially diverse, with African-American students making up 31 percent of its student population.

Like so many schools today, Garfield grapples with painful budget cuts, loss of teachers, and dwindling resources. The school's opposition to military recruitment seems, in part, a result of parents' growing realization that tax money spent for the Iraq war is money not spent on children's educations or other domestic needs.

"They're spending $4 billion a month in Iraq, but we have to cut our race relations class, which costs $12,500," Ms. Hagopian pointed out. "That's an important class for our kids."

During discussion at the PTSA's meeting last week, Ted Inkley argued against the resolution because he thought it dangerous to deny free speech to organizations simply because their philosophies or intentions disagreed with the PTSA.

Mr. Inkley, an attorney whose daughter is a senior, told the crowded library he could "easily" see a resolution by some other PTA that banned Planned Parenthood representatives from campus because of their views on contraception and abortion.

Steve Ludwig, whose son is a senior and whose daughter will enter as a freshman next fall, made a point shared by many in attendance: Garfield does not allow organizations that promote illegal activities to recruit students to perform those activities, nor does it allow organizations that discriminate on the basis of race, gender, national origin, or sexual orientation to recruit on campus.

"Planned Parenthood, as far as I know, does not advocate or perform illegal acts. The US military does," Mr. Ludwig continued. The soft-spoken carpenter said he would not object if Army representatives came to Garfield to debate their ideas on torture or aggressive war. "What I object to is their coming here to recruit students to perform those acts," he said. "It's not about free speech."

Nationally, there's a growing sense that recruiters desperate to bolster falling enlistment numbers are misrepresenting sign-up agreements to entice recruits. In response to 480 allegations of improprieties by recruiters since Oct. 1, the Army announced it will suspend its recruiting for one day on May 20, so commanders can remind its 7,500 recruiters of proper conduct.

Douglas Smith, a US Army spokesman, said the job of recruiters is not to make promises but to show applicants possibilities and career options.

"As for a recruiter making promises and not following through, the recruiter's not in any position to promise anything. We hope that all our recruiters are communicating honestly with our applicants," Mr. Smith said. But he added, "In the contract [between the new soldier and the Army] it says, 'Anything the recruiter may have promised me is moot.' "

Smith also pointed out the legality of military recruitment activity on campuses. "The No Child Left Behind Act requires schools to let us have access to these students," he says.

Indeed, the resolution by Garfield's PTSA is more symbol than policy, for Seattle, like virtually all school districts, requires high schools to give recruiters access to students - or risk losing federal funding under Section 9528 of the act. School districts also are required to notify parents and students that they may "opt out" by signing a letter preventing recruiters from getting their names.

In response to Garfield's resolution, Seattle's district issued a statement reinforcing its policy of allowing recruiters to work on high school campuses, but also said it would increase efforts next fall to make it easier for parents and students to opt out.

"Nothing in this resolution prevents students desirous of joining the military from doing so," said Sasha Riser-Kositsky, a Garfield sophomore from a written statement during last week's meeting. "Indeed, there is a recruiting center within a five-minute walking distance of Garfield."
 
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This is total Bullshit. However it is to be expected from places like seattle, im sure San Francisco is next. Its not like recruiters come to campus in a van grab kids and drive away and them throw them into an "soldier making factory" Its an involved process that takes will and eligablity to join. You have to go and take a 5 hour test before you can even be considered! its not like people sign up on accident. Hpowever they said they had a "race relations" class cut OH MY GOD!!! NOT THE RACE RELATIONS CLASS!!!!!!! 1 that sould be an after school club like the gay straight alliance or CSF or debate. 2, the money spent on a bs sham class like that should have been put towards new math books in the first place (or history, spanish, french or a teacher) WHATEVER! If they really wanted to make a diffrence about having people not join the military they should have banned any JROTC programs. While i was not in JROTC it is a program that obviously encrouages youth to join the military. Recuriters have a 30 min luch break 4 times a year. JROTC has 50 mins every day for 4 years plus JROTC trips over the summer. even a mini bootcamp. (but then of course they would loose funding) soooooooooooooooo basicly this is jsut a vilolation of freedom of speech and assembaly that the US Military gave to them in the first place. and 1 school in a liberal ass place like seattle i dpoubt will even lower enlistment numbers. Either way this is bull shit. Its a bunch of idiots suppresing free specch and pretending they are prtecting the youth.
 
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My observations:

No one had a problem with the military in schools before the war, now everyone who doesnt want to stand up for the country is kicking them out.
 
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This is total Bullshit. However it is to be expected from places like seattle, im sure San Francisco is next.
Why aren’t there military recruiters in rich schools? Why is it that they always focus on low-income, working class neighborhoods or schools with a high percentage of minorities?

Its not like recruiters come to campus in a van grab kids and drive away and them throw them into an "soldier making factory"
No, but they do often lie to students and provide misleading information.

You have to go and take a 5 hour test before you can even be considered!
Let's be honest KK- you don’t exactly have to be a genius to join the military.

If they really wanted to make a diffrence about having people not join the military they should have banned any JROTC programs.
If there are JROTC programs at this school they should ban them too.


soooooooooooooooo basicly this is jsut a vilolation of freedom of speech and assembaly that the US Military gave to them in the first place.
Why is it that the military has the right to set up recruitment groups in high schools but other groups are not allowed? What gives the military the right to set-up shop at high-schools? Are military recruiters allowed to set up at Microsoft or Starbucks?

and 1 school in a liberal ass place like seattle i dpoubt will even lower enlistment numbers. Either way this is bull shit. Its a bunch of idiots suppresing free specch and pretending they are prtecting the youth.
lol. The enlistment numbers have been low and will continue being low. How short did the military come last year? 40% or more?
 
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I coach JV baseball at that school and it makes me sick when ever I see the recruiters on campus...
I'm not sure the best word to describe them

leechs
predators
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chicken hawks

Their demographic targets are evident on who they're after to sign up, you never see 'em at the well funded rich sub-urban schools...

This reminds me of the bumper sticker "Imagine the day when School's will have all the funding they need and the Military has to have a bake sale to raise money!"
 
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This reminds me of the bumper sticker "Imagine the day when School's will have all the funding they need and the Military has to have a bake sale to raise money!"
lol... good one.. can u imagine some uniformed soldier coming to your door with a box of chocolates all like "i was wondering if you'd like to help sponsor the army's trip to _______?"
 
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TOKZTLI said:
My observations:

No one had a problem with the military in schools before the war, now everyone who doesnt want to stand up for the country is kicking them out.
conseratives have FUCKED UP rhetoric...hella distorting and far from the truth

its not like people "arent standing up for their counrty"

they r just not supporting BUSh or the war....

TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS,,,
 
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JoMoDo said:
I coach JV baseball at that school and it makes me sick when ever I see the recruiters on campus...
I'm not sure the best word to describe them

leechs
predators
or
chicken hawks

Their demographic targets are evident on who they're after to sign up, you never see 'em at the well funded rich sub-urban schools...

This reminds me of the bumper sticker "Imagine the day when School's will have all the funding they need and the Military has to have a bake sale to raise money!"
well said....
 
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Why is it that the military has the right to set up recruitment groups in high schools but other groups are not allowed? What gives the military the right to set-up shop at high-schools? Are military recruiters allowed to set up at Microsoft or Starbucks?

I respectfully point out that Starbucks and Microsoft are not government institutions run solely with government tax dollars. Private business is not the same as public institutions.
 
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I have no facts with me to back up my claims, but a comrade of mine showed me a report of the number of students that joined the military from rich schools in Washington state compared to working class schools. One school, in it's entire history, NEVER had a student join the military and recruiters have neve visited the campus.

I'll email him and try to get some links.
 
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BTW, I failed to mention that under the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT, compliance is directly linked to federal funding provided to school districts under the Act. Individual schools that refuse to hand over the contact information jeopardize funding for their entire district.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
So why are military recruiters only target poor/middle-class schools?
Because more people from poor/middle-class schools are likely to join the military, while people from higher end schools are more likely to go on to college or other institutions. If the numbers of students from poor/middle-class schools joining the military wasn't so high, the military would not recruit there. Same goes with schools in higher socio-economic area, if the numbers were higher they would set up shop.

I don't agree with the things the military does or the people in charge of the military; however, it DOES provide an oppurtunity for those without one. It's kind of like the dope game. I don't like the fact that foos are selling crack to their community bringing it down; however, they gotta do what they gotta do. A lot of my homeboys are in the military and if they weren't I'm 100% sure they'd be selling crack. Im kind of undecided on all that, but students should DEFINITELY be made aware of their options. I don't like the fact that recruiters try so desperately to fill their quotas and job needs. I do think that highschool is not the place for recruiters tho, poor, middle-class, upper-class, whatever. If a kid wants to join the military, let him see a recruiter at an office.. Having recruiters approach students unsolicited is uncalled for and I don't agree with it. At the college level, I'm not sure, but they should definitely stay out of the higschools.
 
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ARTICLE ON MICHAEL MOORE'S WEBSITE: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=2704

May 19th, 2005 6:43 pm
Anticipating protest, Seattle recruiters to close
Saturday

Army Times

Recruiters in metropolitan Seattle plan to close up shop Saturday in anticipation of a protest march bound for their station.

The rare closing on a Saturday will come a day after the nationwide stand-down ordered by Army Recruiting Command in response to accusations that recruiters cheated in order to enlist otherwise ineligible individuals into the Army.

Counter-recruitment organizations across the country, including Youth Against War and Racism [in Seattle], have made the call for actions on May 20-21 to say "one day is not enough," a flier promoting the protest reads.

Sgt. 1st Class Jeffery Due said recruiting efforts will likely be ongoing elsewhere in the city Saturday but not at the office. And this is not the first time protestors in Seattle have disrupted recruiting efforts.

In January, Due and Sgt. 1st Class Douglas Washington were bombarded with water bottles and other objects hurled by protestors with Students Against War Group. The soldiers had to be escorted off the campus of Seattle Central Community College.

A college spokesman told Army Times on Jan. 26 that the college president was demanding an apology from the student group. But the only time the recruiters heard from the group was when they showed upon local television saying that they weren't sorry.

On Feb. 2, the college president, Mildred Ollee, sent a letter to the student group saying she had reviewed the incident and no longer required an apology, according to Lorna Sutton, a college spokeswoman.

Apparently, the belief is that the actions that should be apologized for were not committed by our students, Sutton told Army Times May 19, explaining that the public campus is often used by Seattle residents and students from other institutions to hold demonstrations.

Due recalled after the incident that he saw individuals he knew to be students throwing items and tearing apart his recruiting materials.

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This victory should be added to the string of recent victories against military recruiters in the Puget Sound. Parents attempting to bar military recruiters from Garfield High School were on the front page of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on Thursday. 2 weeks ago students successfully defeated attempts by military recruiters to shut down an anti-war teach-in and student club at Tacoma's Foss High School. Before that, the Air Force was unable to land their helicopter at a career fair at Bainbridge High School to impress students with their "fun toy" due to pressure from anti-war activists. And on the day of Bush's inauguration, military recruiters were run out of Seattle Central Community College by hundreds of students!
 
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I do remember reading an article once that said the rich schools military recruiters were more likely to stear them to military academies where they could be officers, instead of the usual grunts that get served up from lower-level public highschools. I'm trying to find it.