Russell could make his 1st start Sunday

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Russell could make his 1st start Sunday

David White, Chronicle Staff Writer

Thursday, December 20, 2007

(12-19) 21:11 PST -- Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell is going to be the starter or he is going to be the closer Sunday. What he will not be, for once, is the middle reliever.

So indicated coach Lane Kiffin, who was vague as ever about his quarterback plans Wednesday as his team prepared for a weekend trip to Jacksonville, Fla.

"Uh-huh," Kiffin said when asked if Russell, the reigning No. 1 overall draft pick, could make his first NFL start. "There's a possibility of it. We're still looking at it. There's a bunch of different ways to do it."

Kiffin seems to have soured on bringing Russell off the bench for a few series, as he's done the past two home games against the Broncos and Colts.

Russell played three series in Sunday's 21-14 loss to the Colts, and each series ended in a punt.

When starter Josh McCown went back in the game, the Raiders immediately scored a go-ahead touchdown, causing some to wonder what might have been if there was never a mid-game switch.

Kiffin himself conceded breaking in Russell comes with scoreboard-related risks.

"There's something to be said for not going back and forth," Kiffin said. "I think you saw (Sunday) the momentum swing of going with one, and then going back."

In other words, Kiffin is leaning toward letting one start and the other finish with no changes in between.

McCown has started the past three games and definitely will share snaps with Russell this week. Daunte Culpepper isn't an option because of a quad injury that has likely ended his season, Kiffin said.

Not that McCown is looking over his shoulder, but he keeps wondering out loud when the Raiders are going to give Russell full control of the huddle.

"I think if you're not playing for the playoffs this year, you play for the playoffs next year," McCown said. "Obviously, they selected that guy very high and they have to get him in there. You can't roll into next year and have him not played in games.

"Would you rather him make those mistakes next year when you have a clean slate or now when you're out of it?"

Be sure, the Raiders (4-10) are out of it, and have been since being mathematically eliminated from the playoffs two weeks ago.

Kiffin's concern is exposing Russell to bad situations that could hinder his growth. That's why Russell sat at the Green Bay game two weeks ago after making his NFL debut one game earlier.

That's also why Russell hasn't run a 2-minute offense, which Kiffin said is a "tough situation" because of the tempo and play-calling - yet another side effect of Russell missing training camp during contract negotiations.

Russell is working on 2-minute drills this week, another indication he'll finish either the first or second half.

"I continue to prepare as if I'm going to play, no matter if I start or not," Russell said. "Whatever his decision, he's the coach, he's the boss. I'll roll with it."

McCown thinks experience is the best thing for Russell at this point. Better to learn lessons now than next September.

"I think if you can eliminate as many unknowns as possible before next year, that would be a good thing," McCown said. "I trust what they're going to do. If you can get him in as many situations as possible to get him ready, hopefully that makes him better.

"I think it's a great way that they're doing it."

For those who think Kiffin is coddling Russell too much, tough.

"It is important for us to get him experience for his future and for his learning curve as well as our learning curve about him," Kiffin said. "I think we've done it as slow as you can.

"We try to put him in a position to be ready when he's called upon to play as opposed to forcing him in."

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This article appeared on page D - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
 

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Now that's what I am talking about.... I think he needs to start and finish both games against playoff opponents. It'll be good experience for him heading into next year.
 

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They did put him in but just for a few series. I don't understand Kiffin's thinking behind that though. I would have started him these last three games and let him finish the games (never taking him out). He has to get a real feel for the game and he can't when he's in for a few series here and there. I think Kiffin is being too scared. Put him out there... mistakes will happen regardless.
 
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He's going to be taking over next season so he needs this experience. The only thing is they need to call some better plays. Last week against the colts when russell was in there they were calling really conservative play calling, they need to let him do some play action and utilize his powerful arm down the field.
 

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He's going to be taking over next season so he needs this experience. The only thing is they need to call some better plays. Last week against the colts when russell was in there they were calling really conservative play calling, they need to let him do some play action and utilize his powerful arm down the field.
I agree... Kiffin called some simple as plays. Let him thrown the ball down field so he can get a feel for how fast the DB's are in the NFL. Also, let Russell throw the ball out of 3,4, and 5 wide receiver sets. He needs experience now if we play on being a factor next year. Kiffin is being a bit too careful.
 
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I like the approach Kiffin is taking with Russell. I think he would've played more by now if he would've had his ass in training camp like he should've.

LOL @ using 4/5 WR sets...I dont think we have the personal to be successful doing that.
 
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I agree... Kiffin called some simple as plays. Let him thrown the ball down field so he can get a feel for how fast the DB's are in the NFL. Also, let Russell throw the ball out of 3,4, and 5 wide receiver sets. He needs experience now if we play on being a factor next year. Kiffin is being a bit too careful.
I agree but with our roster we don't have enough depth at wr to be doing 4 or 5 receiver sets. Curry, Porter and Dwight are the only decent wr's we have. That is one area that raiders need to address this offseason is either drafting 1 or 2 early round wr's or picking some up in free agency.
 

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What's up 3VID3NC3? Our offensive line hasn't given up a sack in like 3 games dog! Pretty good huh....

I don't blame Russell for getting to training camp late. The Raiders knew what they were getting into when they drafted him. They gotta pay top dollar (guaranteed at that). It's their fault that Russell missed all of that time. But anyway I don't like the approach. Kiffin is being too catious. He's the number one pick and he's played what? Like 4 or 5 series? Kiffin needs to play Russell. He needs to start him the rest of the season so he can get a feel for the game.

Kiffin has used 4/5 WR sets before. He needs to find out what suits Russell's strength's...We have the personnel to run those sets (Porter, Curry, Higgins, Dwight, Madsen). It's better than running 2 wide receiver sets and just dumping it off in the flats to the fullback. I can do that and you can too. Put some receivers out there and get him some experience of seeing different defenses and defensive packages. That's the whole point!
 

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I agree but with our roster we don't have enough depth at wr to be doing 4 or 5 receiver sets. Curry, Porter and Dwight are the only decent wr's we have. That is one area that raiders need to address this offseason is either drafting 1 or 2 early round wr's or picking some up in free agency.
I hear you about our wide receiver depth. I am not saying we should run those sets all the time but every now and then Kiffin does it anyway. Madsen can be used as a wide receiver... Rhodes can be used also because he has receiving skills (start Rhodes in the backfield and then bring him in motion and you'll have that 5th receiver).
 
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What's up 3VID3NC3? Our offensive line hasn't given up a sack in like 3 games dog! Pretty good huh....

I don't blame Russell for getting to training camp late. The Raiders knew what they were getting into when they drafted him. They gotta pay top dollar (guaranteed at that). It's their fault that Russell missed all of that time. But anyway I don't like the approach. Kiffin is being too catious. He's the number one pick and he's played what? Like 4 or 5 series? Kiffin needs to play Russell. He needs to start him the rest of the season so he can get a feel for the game.

Kiffin has used 4/5 WR sets before. He needs to find out what suits Russell's strength's...We have the personnel to run those sets (Porter, Curry, Higgins, Dwight, Madsen). It's better than running 2 wide receiver sets and just dumping it off in the flats to the fullback. I can do that and you can too. Put some receivers out there and get him some experience of seeing different defenses and defensive packages. That's the whole point!
The offensive line has looked better the past few weeks. Good to see McQuistan has made some strides since starting and the penalties have been cut down. I still dont like Sims. We need a legit LT and I still dont feel comfortable with our future at center since neither Newberry or Grove will be the answer.

As for Russell I think its smart to be cautious. He doesn't have the best team around him and no matter whose fault it is for Russell missing training camp, if Kiffin doesn't feel he's up to speed with the system to have success, then he probally shouldn't have been playing.

Now that we are at the end of the season Id definetly like to see him get more snaps tho..
 
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What's up 3VID3NC3? Our offensive line hasn't given up a sack in like 3 games dog! Pretty good huh....

I don't blame Russell for getting to training camp late. The Raiders knew what they were getting into when they drafted him. They gotta pay top dollar (guaranteed at that). It's their fault that Russell missed all of that time. But anyway I don't like the approach. Kiffin is being too catious. He's the number one pick and he's played what? Like 4 or 5 series? Kiffin needs to play Russell. He needs to start him the rest of the season so he can get a feel for the game.

Kiffin has used 4/5 WR sets before. He needs to find out what suits Russell's strength's...We have the personnel to run those sets (Porter, Curry, Higgins, Dwight, Madsen). It's better than running 2 wide receiver sets and just dumping it off in the flats to the fullback. I can do that and you can too. Put some receivers out there and get him some experience of seeing different defenses and defensive packages. That's the whole point!
Kiffin is doing a good job with him. Hes got his feet wet so now hes gonna get a half. Slow and steady. Better than just throwing him in there a whole game and get swallowed by this Jack. D. You make it seem like hes not gonna ever get any experience.

And no we do not have the personnel to run those sets. If you cant tell we are a running football team. I dont want to throw him in there and have him make dumb mistakes like Cutler or anybody.
 

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I don't make it seem like he's not gonna ever get any experience... but playing him for a series or two is pretty stupid is you ask me. Once the Raiders were eliminated from playoff contention Russell should have been in there playing. He needs all the experience he can get and playing a series or two here and there won't do. Yes, Jacksonville has a good D and if we're a "running" team then how is Jacksonville going to swallow him? He's going to take his lumps and bruises just like Vince Young, Cutler, etc.... put him in there for the whole damn game.

And if we don't have the personnel to run those sets... then why has Kiffin run plays out of that set? I've seen the Raiders in 4 or 5 wide receiver sets with the qb in shotgun formation. And Cutler doesn't make "dumb" mistakes. He takes chances because he has a big arm. Besides, what qb's don't make mistakes?
 
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I don't make it seem like he's not gonna ever get any experience... but playing him for a series or two is pretty stupid is you ask me. Once the Raiders were eliminated from playoff contention Russell should have been in there playing. He needs all the experience he can get and playing a series or two here and there won't do.
i disagree.. i think he should play more downs/series as the season progresses. dont wanna kill moral if the D shuts down the opponents O and our Offense cant do sqwat..i say Kiffin is doing the right thing...
 
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Kiffin is doing a good job with him. Hes got his feet wet so now hes gonna get a half. Slow and steady. Better than just throwing him in there a whole game and get swallowed by this Jack. D. You make it seem like hes not gonna ever get any experience.

And no we do not have the personnel to run those sets. If you cant tell we are a running football team. I dont want to throw him in there and have him make dumb mistakes like Cutler or anybody.
i disagree.. i think he should play more downs/series as the season progresses. dont wanna kill moral if the D shuts down the opponents O and our Offense cant do sqwat..i say Kiffin is doing the right thing...

Ditto
 
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And if we don't have the personnel to run those sets... then why has Kiffin run plays out of that set? I've seen the Raiders in 4 or 5 wide receiver sets with the qb in shotgun formation.
Have you seen any recently tho? I dont think I have much..only time I remember him using those sets were the first few games. He openly said at the beginning of the season he didn't know what kinda offensive identity the team would have until he could see what his players were capable of during games. Now that he has established the running game he has made that our identity because we are shallow at WR and dont have anyone to stretch the field.
 

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We'll see... I guess. I think Kiffin is being too overprotective. He's (JR) going to end up being our leader so let him start and finish both games. He can't even get into a groove if he keeps getting taken out. Just like Warren Sapp said "I can't wait til they give him the full horse and let him whip it"...

We only got two more games left. It's time to see what he got.
 

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Have you seen any recently tho? I dont think I have much..only time I remember him using those sets were the first few games. He openly said at the beginning of the season he didn't know what kinda offensive identity the team would have until he could see what his players were capable of during games. Now that he has established the running game he has made that our identity because we are shallow at WR and dont have anyone to stretch the field.
I can't remember if I seen any recently though (if so it was probably during a 3rd and long situation)... I think maybe when Daunte was in. I am not saying they should run those sets exclusevly (sp) like the Patriots do... but they should run those sets every now and then so Russell can get a feel for it and so he could get the experience of seeing different defensive packages.
 
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We'll see... I guess. I think Kiffin is being too overprotective. He's (JR) going to end up being our leader so let him start and finish both games. He can't even get into a groove if he keeps getting taken out. Just like Warren Sapp said "I can't wait til they give him the full horse and let him whip it"...

We only got two more games left. It's time to see what he got.
yeah im hoping the do let him start both games and play them out