Ron Paul Debates Steven Baldwin on Marijuana

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And i will have to dig it up, but they showed that people under the influence of marijuana, actualy drive SAFER than those under the influence of alcohol and even SOME people that drive sober!
i actually feel the same way. i feel more alert and focused when i drive high...

late last month, i almost ran into a couch in the middle of the freeway, and swerved before hitting it. i don't know if that would be the case, had i have been sober...
 
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Stevie looks like he took a bunch of bong hits before that interview. This guy is stoned out of his mind every time I've seen him on tv or otherwise. Everything I've ever heard about this guy is that he's a big fuckin phony.
 
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Regardless of whether we drive better high and the comparison to alcohol, it is ludicrous and disgusting that the majority of people are complacent and even welcoming in letting their PEERS dictate what they can and cannot do to themselves.
 
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As far as...smoking weed? I guess im a bit confused by this statement.


I am just speaking about regulations in general, but that does include weed, or any other drugs. I just wonder at what point in human history did our ancestors all collectively bend over and let someone (one of their peers since we are all humans) else dictate what they "legally" can and cannot do to their own person?

Drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, saving money (social security) basically anything that does not negatively impact anyone but themselves. I understand why child abuse is illegal, I understand why stealing is illegal, I don't and will never understand why drugs and any of the other "vice" crimes are illegal.
 
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I am just speaking about regulations in general, but that does include weed, or any other drugs. I just wonder at what point in human history did our ancestors all collectively bend over and let someone (one of their peers since we are all humans) else dictate what they "legally" can and cannot do to their own person?
OK. I agree to an extent, but....

Drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, saving money (social security) basically anything that does not negatively impact anyone but themselves. I understand why child abuse is illegal, I understand why stealing is illegal, I don't and will never understand why drugs and any of the other "vice" crimes are illegal.
What if someone gets drunk and kills someone? You have now affected someone else negatively. What if you fuck someone and give them AIDS? Again, you have now negatively affected another person.

Now, this is assuming that everyone gets high and kills someone, which we all know is not true. However, as a gerneal standard, there is POTNENTIAL to harm someone else while in the process of harming oneself.

I always thought it was stupid to put on a seatbelt....becuase really, it only affects me negatively in a car crash.
 
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OK. I agree to an extent, but....


What if someone gets drunk and kills someone? You have now affected someone else negatively. What if you fuck someone and give them AIDS? Again, you have now negatively affected another person.

Now, this is assuming that everyone gets high and kills someone, which we all know is not true. However, as a gerneal standard, there is POTNENTIAL to harm someone else while in the process of harming oneself.

Yeah, that is true, but I think its a big jump from potential to direct correlation. I mean working out may increase my testosterone, which may increase my aggressive behavior, which may increase the potential I attack my wife, but that does not mean I should not be able to work out.

If we were able to make a direct correlation such as every time I smoke pcp there is an almost 100% chance I assault someone, then I would accept that being illegal.

Driving drunk is another example. 9/10 driving drunk doesn't do harm to anyone, but it clearly increases the likelihood that you might.

I don't think we should make driving drunk illegal, because clearly the majority of times you do it, you don't do anything but drive home. My solution to this problem would be to drastically increase mandatory prison sentences for crimes/injury inflicted on another person, while eliminating victimless crimes entirely.

In the instance of drunk driving as an example. It would be perfectly legal to do it, but as soon as you hurt someone else, 25 years in jail. Same goes for driving recklessly, or anything that is known to increase the likelihood of serious negative impact on someone else.


I always thought it was stupid to put on a seatbelt....becuase really, it only affects me negatively in a car crash.
Perfect example. Its fucking ridiculous.
 
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Yeah, that is true, but I think its a big jump from potential to direct correlation. I mean working out may increase my testosterone, which may increase my aggressive behavior, which may increase the potential I attack my wife, but that does not mean I should not be able to work out.

If we were able to make a direct correlation such as every time I smoke pcp there is an almost 100% chance I assault someone, then I would accept that being illegal.

Driving drunk is another example. 9/10 driving drunk doesn't do harm to anyone, but it clearly increases the likelihood that you might.

I don't think we should make driving drunk illegal, because clearly the majority of times you do it, you don't do anything but drive home. My solution to this problem would be to drastically increase mandatory prison sentences for crimes/injury inflicted on another person, while eliminating victimless crimes entirely.

In the instance of drunk driving as an example. It would be perfectly legal to do it, but as soon as you hurt someone else, 25 years in jail. Same goes for driving recklessly, or anything that is known to increase the likelihood of serious negative impact on someone else.
If the 1/10 time you injure someone, thats enough to say "thats illegal". And in all honesty, thats fine by me. I mean, why risk it? What if that one person you inure/kill, is a helpless child? Im sorry, but I would much rather not risk that.

Working out increases levels of organic chemicals that already exist in the body, where as injecting or smoking something is presenting something foreign to your body.
 
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If the 1/10 time you injure someone, thats enough to say "thats illegal". And in all honesty, thats fine by me. I mean, why risk it? What if that one person you inure/kill, is a helpless child? Im sorry, but I would much rather not risk that.

Working out increases levels of organic chemicals that already exist in the body, where as injecting or smoking something is presenting something foreign to your body.


YOU might not want to risk it, but you shouldn't have the authority to make that decision for someone else.

It should be up to each individual to take that risk or not. I and agree what if you injure or kill a helpless child that would be horrible. Which is why I would drastically increase minimum sentencing.

The deterrent should be in the consequences, but the decision should be up to the individual.


Also, where do you draw the line? 1/10 is enough. What about 1/100? 1/10,000? Anywhere you draw the line is going to be arbitrary.
 
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YOU might not want to risk it, but you shouldn't have the authority to make that decision for someone else.

It should be up to each individual to take that risk or not. I and agree what if you injure or kill a helpless child that would be horrible. Which is why I would drastically increase minimum sentencing.

The deterrent should be in the consequences, but the decision should be up to the individual.


Also, where do you draw the line? 1/10 is enough. What about 1/100? 1/10,000? Anywhere you draw the line is going to be arbitrary.
Sorry, i was misinterpreting what you were saying and I agree.
 
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Right but see my problem is that is has also been scientifically proven that listening to certain types of music in a car can negatively impact driving



Similarly, studies have shown that passengers in cars increase the risk of an accident.

New research by Australian scientists, soon to be published in the international Accident Analysis and Prevention journal, has shown that drivers carrying two or more passengers are twice as likely to crash as unaccompanied drivers.
http://www.iih.usyd.edu.au/events/l...obile-phones-contribute-to-road-accidents.cfm

So now by your logic, listening to certain types of music and having two or more passengers should be illegal because they have been scientifically shown to cause accidents at a much higher rate?


EDIT: Sorry I missed your latest reply while I was replying lol