Ron Paul’s phony populism

[HERESY]

Voting for presidents in the US = the biggest scam ever.

This.

 

[CaseyJones]

** You need to see this. ** These are the ACTUAL DELEGATE RESULTS BY PRECINCT for Thurston County, WA, in which the published results were 40% Romney and 26% Paul.

Now listen to this video. Remember, it was the people in this room whose votes were tallied to come up with those final percentages. (BTW, Thurston is the county that contains the state's capital, Olympia.)

Final delegate count (give or take one or two in case of error of counting):

Ron Paul: 75 Delegates, 41 Alternates
Mittens: 15 Delegates, 12 Alternates
Santorum: 12 Delegates, 5 Alternates
Gingrich: 3 Delegates, 5 Alternates

[video=youtube;2R6k8cMoejk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2R6k8cMoejk[/video]

 

[SFC I-Side]

I thought Wash doesnt give out delegates for like two more months and by that I mean I know they dont give them out for a couple more months, either way, its over, now Im rooting for Santorum so I can watch the bi racial messiah mop the floor with em

 

[CaseyJones]

I thought Wash doesnt give out delegates for like two more months and by that I mean I know they dont give them out for a couple more months, either way, its over, now Im rooting for Santorum so I can watch the bi racial messiah mop the floor with em

Local delegates are chosen by precincts. Those delegates go to state conventions, which basically repeats the process and determines the national delegates. The process is then repeated at the national convention to determine the nominee. The more local delegates awarded, the greater chance of clenching delegates in the state convention(s), which should translate to a victory or brokered national convention and hopefully the nomination. It can totally be done without winning the popular vote or ever getting a victory in a state caucus. Seems subversive, but I guess it's how the game is played.

 

[CaseyJones]

Caucus training and RP appearance here today. Subversion is fun, now I know what the statists love it so much.

 

[CaseyJones]

Paul supporters seize control of Clark County GOP party

BY LAURA MYERS
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
Posted: Mar. 10, 2012 | 10:48 a.m.

Supporters of GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul on Saturday effectively took control of the Clark County Republican Party by winning election to 14 executive board positions, or two-thirds of the ruling body.

The election came during the county GOP convention where Paul delegates dominated, winning as many as half of the 1,382 delegates nominated to the state convention May 2-4 in Sparks.

Paul supporters chanted "Paul, Paul, Paul" as the new executive board took the stage.

"This is the grass roots taking a stand to change the direction of the party from the county level," said Carl Bunce, Nevada chairman of Paul's campaign and a delegate. "This is bigger than just Ron Paul. This is about liberty and openness and fairness and changing the party."

Bunce said Paul supporters share the same goal as the other Republican candidates: to defeat President Barack Obama in the fall no matter who becomes the GOP nominee.

Still, the Paul factor could complicate things at the state convention for Mitt Romney, the GOP front-runner who won the Feb. 4 GOP presidential caucus in Nevada with 50 percent of the vote. He's still struggling to sew up the nomination.

Four years ago, Paul backers tried to take over the state convention, which GOP leaders shut down in response.

The 2012 state GOP convention will elect 28 delegates to the Republican National Convention this summer in Tampa, Fla.

Romney earned 14 of those delegates because of his 50 percent caucus finish. The rest of the delegates also were awarded proportionally, depending on the percentage of the caucus vote that each candidate won in Nevada.

■ Newt Gingrich got 21 percent of the caucus vote to pick up six delegates.

■ Paul won 19 percent for five delegates.

■ Rick Santorum won 10 percent for three delegates.

Bunce said Paul supporters would follow the rules, which require the 28 delegates elected at the state level to attend the national convention and be bound on the first ballot to vote in line with the GOP caucus winning percentages.

That could mean a Paul delegate would have to vote for Romney on the first ballot if he's the GOP nominee based on delegates won during the primary season. However, a contested convention could lead to more than one ballot, and delegates could then switch to other candidates.

"I don't view it as taking over the convention," Bunce said in an interview as he worked the halls to boost participation of Paul backers. "We will have delegate enhancement."

Ryan Erwin, a Romney campaign adviser in Nevada, said plenty of the former Massachusetts governor's supporters attended the county convention and he's confident the delegate selection process will be fair for all candidates.

"We feel good about our support here," Erwin said, adding he's sure Romney will be awarded the 14 Nevada delegates to the national convention as deserved. "Our goal is to have a transparent process and not have a repeat of what happened in 2008, which wasn't good for anybody."

Paul's backers made their presence known on the convention floor when Clark County GOP Chairman Dave Gibbs asked supporters for each candidate to stand to show support as the meeting began in the morning.

More than half the room stood and cheered for Paul compared to about one-third for Romney, dozens for Gingrich and fewer for Santorum.

Gibbs then asked how many Republicans want to oust Obama, and the convention-goers returned a united cheer. He said he wanted to demonstrate that although the GOP convention-goers are backing different Republicans now, the party will ultimately unite to put a Republican in the White House.

"I think the competition sharpens the candidates," Gibbs said in an interview, comparing the GOP nomination fight to preseason games. "It gets people excited and more familiar with who the candidates are. I think it's good for the party."

Gibbs said he wasn't too concerned by Paul supporters getting elected Saturday to all 14 executive board seats open. As chairman of the county party, he's one of seven official executive board members serving two-year terms. Those seven seats on the 21-member board weren't up for election Saturday.

"They showed up and they voted. That's why you have an election," Gibbs said. "The whole point is to get Republicans elected. That's my entire focus."

More than 3,000 Republicans attended the county GOP convention at The Orleans .

U.S. Sen. Dean Heller kicked off the meeting by slamming his Senate opponent, Democratic U.S. Rep. Shelley Berkley, and by making fun of Obama.

Heller said in his travels across Nevada during the past six to eight weeks to attend GOP Lincoln Day dinners, he asked people, "What are the things that scare President Obama?"

On the list, Heller said, is people who pay their taxes, a bank not owned by the government, a balanced budget, a town hall meeting where not everyone is a Democrat, and people who pay their mortgages.

Heller also turned on its head Obama's 2008 presidential campaign slogan, saying the thing the Democrat fears most is that, "the change that you believe in will be the Republican slogan in 2012."

The line drew applause from more than 3,000 convention-goers at The Orleans who filled a ballroom and two overflow rooms.

As for Berkley, Heller criticized his Senate rival without naming the congress*woman, who is running neck and neck with him in the early opinion polls.

"The difference between myself and my opponent will be this: I will be running on my record and she will be running away from her record," Heller said, calling himself a low-tax, small-government, free-market capitalist who wants reasonable regulations.

Heller said Berkley has voted for $15 trillion in new debt spending, for bank and auto industry bailouts and for Obama's GOP-opposed stimulus package and his health care reform that Republicans want to repeal.

The Heller-Berkley contest will be one of the hardest fought in the nation as Democrats try to maintain control of the Senate and the GOP works to win the majority as they did in the House in the 2010 election.

"We can change this country," Heller said near the end of his speech of less than 10 minutes. "We can change the United States presidency. And we can change the makeup of the United States Senate right here in this room, starting today. So I need your help."

U.S. Rep. Joe Heck, R-Nev., delivered the keynote address to the crowd. He aimed his fire at Obama and the Democratic-controlled Senate run by U.S. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev.

Heck said the GOP-run House had passed 30 pieces of jobs legislation and a budget, but the Senate hasn't acted. He also decried the rising price of gasoline, now nearly $4 a gallon.

Heck mocked Obama's "we can't wait" series of executive orders and actions he has taken to get around Republicans in Congress who oppose his policies, which the president says is aimed at continuing the economic recovery.

"We can't wait for a leader in the White House," Heck said, earning a round of applause and heavy cheers. "There's a lot of buyer's remorse left over from the 2008 election."

The Nevada Democratic Party officials sneered at the GOP confab.

"What Nevadans didn't hear today is that instead of focusing on jobs, Dean Heller and Washington Republicans are pursuing an anti-middle class, pro-Wall Street agenda that kills Medicare by turning it over to private insurance companies to pay for more taxpayer giveaways to Big Oil," said Zach Hudson, spokesman for the Nevada Democratic Party.

"And while President Obama is fighting to create jobs and help struggling families keep a roof over their heads, Mitt Romney spent his career shipping American jobs overseas as a corporate layoff specialist and told Nevadans facing foreclosure they need to 'hit the bottom.' Nevadans will have a clear choice in this election between Democrats who are committed to creating jobs and Republicans who are prioritizing Wall Street billionaires over Nevada families."

http://www.lvrj.com/news/heller-uni...on-with-shots-at-berkley-obama-142194615.html

 

[WXS STOMP3R]

THIS THREAD IS STILL GOING?

 

[SFC I-Side]

Nope, mirage, keep it movin

 

[CaseyJones]

[video=youtube;UDChEDnISOw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDChEDnISOw[/video]

 

[CaseyJones]

Here in Missouri, Ron Paul has 80% of the delegates going into the state convention. That's AFTER a shit ton of shenanigans from the establishment.

 

[CaseyJones]

The final outcome of Missouri’s lengthy caucus process may not be known for months. Early results, however, indicate that Ron Paul may well walk away from the state with the most delegates. Yesterday, his supporters overwhelmed the largest pooled caucus – Jackson county, responsible for sending 179 delegates to the state and congressional district conventions – winning over two-thirds of the available delegate slots. Mr. Paul also swept St. Louis, winning all of the city’s 36 delegates.

Missouri’s second and third largest caucuses, which convened last Saturday, reported similar results. In Greene county (111 delegates), Paul backers won nearly 60% of the delegate slots. In St. Charles (147 delegates), they so thoroughly dominated that the county GOP chair, allegedly a Santorum supporter, adjourned the meeting and called in the police to prevent the election from taking place.

In each of these counties, Paul supporters were outnumbered by Santorum supporters by at least 4-to-1*. Against these daunting odds, the Ron Paulers emerged victorious due to their unmatched grassroots organization and their ability to turn out the youth vote. In Greene county, party insiders said they had “never seen so many young people at a Republican caucus.”

Missouri’s results – a shot in the arm for the Paul campaign – have led many observers to conclude that Mr. Paul’s caucus strategy is working better than they had anticipated. His strong performance follows several events in recent weeks that suggest that Ron Paul supporters – energized by the message of limited government and fiscal conservatism – are quickly taking over the leadership of the Republican party at the state and local levels across the country.

Earlier this month, in Las Vegas, Paul supporters were elected to two-thirds of the board positions in the Clark County Republican Party after winning more county convention delegates than any other candidate at the caucuses – including Mitt Romney. Meanwhile, in Iowa, the state co-chair of the Paul campaign was elected as the chairman of the Iowa Republican Party in February. Last week, Paul supporters swept all the delegate slots in two of Seattle’s largest legislative district conventions.

Such accomplishments belie the mainstream media’s efforts to marginalize Ron Paul’s candidacy. The Associated Press’s projections, for example, report the Texas congressman as being last in the delegate count. Election analysts, however, insist that those projections are driven by a failure to understand the rules governing delegate allocation in caucus states. Josh Putnam, election expert and professor of political science, agrees. The AP delegate count, he admits, is based on “a fantasy proportional allocation of delegates in the non-binding caucus states.”

Heading into the Missouri caucuses, the New York Times reported that Rick Santorum was "frantically wooing voters" in an attempt to secure a "second victory." Since then, the Times' caucus blog has maintained complete silence about Ron Paul's unexpectedly strong performance in the state.

With his likely victory in Missouri, Mr. Paul has shown once again that his campaign – fueled by the passion and determination of millions of grassroots supporters across the country – should not be written off too quickly. He has more than doubled his voter base since 2008, intends to compete aggressively in Texas and California, and continues to upend the establishment narrative at every turn. Regardless of who wins the Republican nomination, all available evidence suggests that the Ron Paul movement will continue to be a significant force in American politics for decades to come.

* In Missouri’s Feb. 7 primary – meaningless, since it awarded zero delegates - the ratio of Santorum votes to Paul votes was 3.8 in Jackson county, 4.3 in St. Charles county, and 4.5 in Greene county. Ron Paul won the majority of the county-level delegates in Jackson and Greene counties, and is expected to do the same in St. Charles when it holds its rescheduled caucus on April 10.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/5...issouri-caucuses-buoyed-by-huge-youth-turnout

 

[CaseyJones]

[video=youtube;va8gXdzfziE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va8gXdzfziE&feature=share[/video]

[video=youtube;TBLSG2uGoA8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBLSG2uGoA8[/video]

 

[CaseyJones]

Ron Paul winning delegates

As the 2012 Race for the Republican Nomination turns toward this week’s primaries in D.C., Maryland, Mississippi and Wisconsin all eyes are on so-called “front-runners” like Romney who the media says is running away with the Delegates and is the “most likely” nominee.

If you turn on the television today you have a very good chance of seeing the media’s general estimated delegate count for the four remaining “Republicans” that are vying for the 2012 nod.

Although the numbers vary slightly depending on which mainstream source used, currently, the establishment’s media is displaying the approx. totals as Romney leading with around 550 delegates, Santorum with around 240, Gingrich around 130, and Ron Paul trailing the pack with usually less than 50.

Are these numbers accurate? Let’s find out.
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The first problem we see when studying delegate counts comes from the very first caucus held in Iowa back in January.

Although the media says they “estimate” the delegate count as proportionate to the percentages of votes won in each caucus, of Iowa’s 25 available delegate seats, even as Santorum, Romney and Paul basically split the votes there relatively evenly, somehow the media's estimated delegate count shows Santorum as winning 13 delegates and Romney winning the other 12….as if Paul received no votes whatsoever.

With that being said, if taking percentages of caucus votes into account to determine the estimated final delegate totals, the media’s general delegate estimate is already faulty after just the first caucus.

However, as we dig even deeper into the situation those estimated delegate counts are actually much further flawed than even the Iowa example shows.

Even though you haven't heard much about it in the media, in all the caucus states around the country Ron Paul’s delegate strategy is actually paying off as county after county and district after district are sending more Ron Paul Delegates to State Conventions than any other candidate.

How is that possible?

First and foremost, in the caucus states the original caucus that takes place is actually only a straw poll and truly only serves to inform the voters of each precinct as to where their perspective precinct’s voters generally stand.

The real elections don’t actually take place until immediately thereafter when those who wish to become delegates stay behind after everyone else goes home. This is where the process begins to narrow down the hundreds or thousands from each caucus state that want to become a delegate.

Individuals from each precinct that want to become a delegate pitch each other as to why they each deserve to represent their precinct at their County’s Convention. They then hold another election to decide who will fill those available seats and vote those individuals to those County Conventions, which typically takes place a couple weeks later, and many already have.

The process basically repeats itself at the County level as all those who were voted to County Conventions then vote to see who of those will represent their county at the district level, narrowing the field down even further.

From there, District Delegates will then vote a week or two later to see who will ultimately be selected to State Conventions, from there to the National Convention, where in Iowa’s case only 25 National Delegate seats are available.

Only then will the American people finally get to know the exact amount of delegates each candidate receives from the caucus states because it is there at the National Convention that those delegates finally make the official vote for the candidate of their choice.

Additionally, as these County and District Conventions continue to unfold, it is becoming widely evident that Ron Paul’s supporters have been the most educated on this process and also seem to be the most dedicated thus far.

Thousands of Paul Delegate hopefuls have been overrunning County and District Conventions all over the country. In turn, it has been mostly Paul Delegates that continue to move on to the next successive convention to this point, unless GOP Party ‘officials’ from those precinct, County or District Conventions purposely tried to illegally force Paul’s supporters from participating.

Unfortunately, that is something that has happened in quite a few locations around the country.

Being that as it is, in the caucus states that have actually held their straw poll and Precinct, County and District Conventions already, with so many Paul Delegates taking over the majority of the districts thus far, it is almost a done deal that Ron Paul will likely win much of the available delegate seats from many of the caucus states.

Even in some of the “primary” states like Virginia and Oklahoma there are portions of delegate seats available that are not bound to the original election and are open to any candidate that made the original ballot. These delegate seats will be apportioned in separate elections much like the caucus states.

Under these circumstances, if the establishment’s media continues to merely report an estimate proportionately based on the initial caucus straw poll in each caucus state, the American people will continue to be misled about what the actual count may be.

It will also be very interesting to see how the media handles the real numbers as they start to emerge from the National Convention. Ron Paul may actually currently be, by some estimates, in 3rd or even 2nd place overall behind Romney and truly seems to be gaining steam as the process continues to unfold.

Some in the GOP have shuttered at the fact that young Ron Paul supporters have done their homework and decided to go out in mass to attempt forcing their candidate into the Republican nomination and have tried to do everything they can to stop them from doing so.

The problem with that is Ron Paul’s delegate hopefuls have truly done their homework, know the GOP’s election laws and are following them by the book, something the other candidate’s supporters aren’t doing. This forces anyone trying to stop them to break the rules to do so.

The problem the establishment is having with even that scenario is that so many legal Paul Delegate hopefuls have decided to participate this time that the establishment doesn’t have the organization in place to cover the incredible amount of locations being overrun by Paul supporters, and in turn Paul’s Delegates are winning the majority of the Caucus State Delegates in many of those states anyway.

Stay tuned as this remarkable story continues to unfold.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Ron Paul winning delegates - Denver Libertarian | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-denver/ron-paul-winning-delegates#ixzz1r0ZPdsAb

 

[CaseyJones]

The bolded portion of this Examiner article are taken (almost verbatim) from my official challenge to the GOP results in my county.

It seems that whatever group is in charge of a presidential caucus dominates the process, ensuring approval of the slate of delegates that favor their candidate.

After the St. Charles County Republican Central Committee allegedly railroaded the event on March 17, the Jefferson County caucus has been called into question. Now a complaint has been filed with the Missouri Republican Party by Ron Paul and Mitt Romney supporters alleging numerous improprieties that include:

Caucus organizers and volunteers allowed individuals to exit and re-enter the caucus after the 10 a.m. start time.

The 2012 Call to Convention posted contained a portion of the 2008 version in place of the updated 2012 one, which explicitly forbids the binding of delegates to the results of the Primary Election. (Rick Santorum won the primary in Missouri)

Temporary Chair Janet Englebach imposed a vote by secret ballot, ignoring several objections, points of order and calls for a standing count from the body of the caucus.

Committee members allowing the Credential Rolls to be removed from the caucus building, requiring the body to be re-credentialed, adding hours to the caucus.

Disqualifying the Sons and Daughters of Liberty slate for missing addresses and phone numbers of delegates (Ron Paul supporters), when the Unity and the Ad Hoc slates (Santorum supporters) were accepted, even though they both had missing information.

Englebach claims the registration documents were removed inadvertently by a volunteer who had to leave early and packed the paperwork with her computer.

Jefferson County Republican Central Committee member Derrick Good called for a roll call vote on whether the caucus could use a standing vote to determine the total number of votes in the room, but because the registration rolls and credentialing documents were missing, it was impossible to hold a roll call vote. Some believe the motion was an intent to stall and shut down the caucus because the motion could not be fulfilled.

The registration rolls reappeared later in the day, but they were supposedly copies and not the originals. It was only after a substantial portion of the 424 caucus attendees had left in frustration, changing the make-up of the electorate, that the registration rolls and credentialing information were returned.

Although the caucus was scheduled to begin at 10 a.m., the first vote on the slates of delegates did not take place until 8 ½ hours later at 6:30 p.m.

In the end, Santorum supporters comprise 92 percent of the chosen delegates.

Now the Paul and Romney attendees are asking that the results of the 2012 Jefferson County Republican Caucus be nullified and a new caucus held.

Bob Boyer, caucus chair and a Ron Paul supporter, submitted the required paperwork on behalf of the caucus, but he did so under protest. He believes the caucus was handled improperly and the legitimacy of the results are in question. Boyer has been asked to meet with the 2012 State Credentials Committee to discuss the allegations. The Committee is set to hear the Jefferson County challenge on April 12.

In St. Charles County, a new caucus has been scheduled for April 10 at 7 p.m.

The Congressional District Conventions are scheduled for April 21 and the State Convention June 1-2.

http://www.examiner.com/nonpartisan-in-st-louis/jefferson-county-caucus-corruption

 

[CaseyJones]

All these photos/events from the last 3 weeks...

View attachment 109617

 

[iaoish]

So, Ron Paul would refuse medical attention to someone who is dying and is not conscious that does not have health insurance..

Right on!

 

[CaseyJones]

So, Ron Paul would refuse medical attention to someone who is dying and is not conscious that does not have health insurance..

Right on!

I think the idea is that the federal government is irresponsible with our tax dollars, and that if states and communities were allowed to keep their funds and appropriate them to programs (like community hospitals), they'd be more inclined to use the money efficiently and be able to provide much better care.

A woman just died here in St. Louis after being refused emergency room care several times.

Do you get tense and sweaty when you think about life without an all encompassing government authority over every aspect of American life?

Right on!

 

[iaoish]

I don't care so much for the politics, I just think its bizarre that people get refused medical attention in these times because they "choose" not to have health care.
While it is possible also that they dont have healthcare because they cannot afford it.
And to my understanding doctors have sworn that they will never refuse to give medical attention when needed.
And now people die because of this.

Dus dat..

 

[CaseyJones]

What Ron Paul Did For Me
April 18, 2012

Many of you don’t know that Ron Paul played a part in my rescue when I was in prison. First, let me say that I met Ron Paul a couple of times before I went to the slammer, and he and his wife were gracious and warm. Even though we didn’t get together during the filming of Aaron Russo’s movie America: Freedom To Fascism, both of us were featured in the movie.

When I was ill in late 2009 there was an outcry after people were informed of the severity of my condition. I had written a letter to my U.S. Congressman (Hank Johnson) via prison e-mail, and forwarded it to my husband to deliver to him since the congressman was not on my approved e-mail list. My husband, without editing the letter, sent it out to about 20 supporters after furnishing a copy to the congressman. These supporters were outraged at what I was going through. At least one of these supporters had a large e-mail list and he forwarded the letter to his entire list. That desperate cry for help went viral, and soon I was receiving letters of encouragement and financial support from literally all over the globe.

Someone got in touch with Ron Paul’s office. I don’t live in Texas, but he and his staff took action and contacted the prison with a demand for information about my situation. Shortly after Ron Paul’s inquiry about my treatment I was shipped away to a high security prison. While in solitary confinement there (for the security of the institution, they say) my medical situation was constantly observed, and I was treated with respect by the medical staff.

Along with Congressman Hank Johnson, I believe that Congressman Ron Paul’s eye on the situation got me the care that I needed so that my condition did not go critical. I was in really bad shape as you can see here.

For those that say that Ron Paul is a racist, you would never be able to convince me of that. His actions speak louder than your words. He has delivered thousands of lives into this world, of all races and colors. He has helped people of all races, even when it was not popular and could have put him and his family’s lives in danger.

For those that say that Ron Paul is a nut, a large oak tree is yesterday’s nut that held its ground. For over 30 years Ron Paul has not switched his position on any of the socio-political issues of our day. You can call him a nut if you want, but at least he’s not a flip flopper that changes his position with the ebb and flow of the masses.

For those that say that Ron Paul can’t win, God says nothing is impossible with Him. His sticking to his guns and staying in the race shows me that he cares not only about his own family, for he could have made a fortune and bilked the country, like others. He could have taken bribes, high paying corporate positions or even created policies that would have enriched him and his family for generations to come. Instead, his stick-to-it attitude shows me that he cares about me, about us, about America as a whole, about the rule of law, about justice, about equity. Very few people in power care about you, I hope you understand that fact.
Ron Paul takes the criticism and the flack, the jokes and the insults because he knows who he is and he knows what God has told him to do. He knows that he has the truth on his side, and sooner or later truth will prevail. He has been a beacon in the darkness, one that shows up the evil that is in our country and shows the way to correct it, to the chagrin of the evildoers.

I sent a thank you letter to Ron Paul’s offices in Texas and in DC. I wanted them to know that I appreciate them reaching down to help a lowly prisoner that was afraid for her life. Life, that is important to us as humans, or at least should be. Do the people that you trust and endorse care if you live or die? Selah (pause and think about that).

http://www.sherrypeeljackson.org/newsletter/april-2012/

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[CaseyJones]

I don't care so much for the politics, I just think its bizarre that people get refused medical attention in these times because they "choose" not to have health care.
While it is possible also that they dont have healthcare because they cannot afford it.
And to my understanding doctors have sworn that they will never refuse to give medical attention when needed.
And now people die because of this.

Dus dat..

So where did you get the idea Ron Paul would just let people die? If you're not interested in the politics, then why make such a statement? Your statement seems to be framed as if people are never refused care or die due to poor medical care/lack of insurance under the current system and that we must rely on the government to keep it from happening. Pretty silly.