Redskins want Lance Briggs for #6 overall draft pick

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Looks like the Bears are asking for more for Briggs, and they should.

HERE is a breakdown as to why they deserve more to the trade.

Also, two new teams have made offers for Briggs:

Angelo trying to get more out of the Redskins
The trade offer on the table would send Briggs and the Bears' first-round draft pick – No. 31 overall – to Washington in exchange for the Redskins first-rounder at No. 6. Briggs' representative, Drew Rosenhaus, has been running his mouth to anyone who will listen that this is a good move for both teams, but Angelo is not about to let an agent and a disgruntled player force his hand. According to Pauline, Angelo is also asking for linebacker Rocky McIntosh, Washington's second-round selection a year ago, to sweeten the pot.

Bills need to replace Spikes and Fletcher-Baker
Buffalo has been very active in the trade market this offseason, sending tailback Willis McGahee to Baltimore for a slew of draft picks before packaging linebacker Takeo Spikes and quarterback Kelly Holcomb to Philadelphia for defensive tackle Darwin Walker. Linebacker London Fletcher-Baker left for the aforementioned Redskins via free agency, so the Bills have major holes to fill at that position. Pauline has learned that Buffalo is offering their pick in the first round – No. 12 overall – to the Bears for Briggs, although Angelo would have to include another selection in return for that deal to happen.

This potential trade could pick up some steam because Buffalo is coached by former Bears front man Dick Jauron, who Briggs played for as a rookie.

Giants also in need of serious help at linebacker
New York currently has openings at both outside linebacker positions, having cut both LaVar Arrington and Carlos Emmons in the offseason. Antonio Pierce is the only `backer the G-Men have with a legitimate NFL resume, plus their defense was absolutely ravaged by injuries last season. Pauline reports that the Giants have offered their spot in Round 1 – No. 20 overall – to the Bears for the durable Briggs, although this deal would technically have less appeal than the other two according to the draft value chart.

Angelo would probably much rather pick 20th in the first round as opposed to 6th or 12th because of the money involved, but New York will have to offer more for this swap to happen.
 

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Jesse fuckin' Rice said:
Pacman is overrated as FUCK. I know he is young, but WOW does he get lost some times.
He's waaaay overrated! He's got to be one of the dumbest professional athletes in the world. How much trouble has this fool gotten into? Pacman had a lot to do with that shooting in Vegas. He got manhandled by a martial artists for beating up a stripper that's what pissed him off. So he made good on a threat and the next thing you know the club got shot up. Pacman made it rain olright....
 
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He's waaaay overrated! He's got to be one of the dumbest professional athletes in the world. How much trouble has this fool gotten into? Pacman had a lot to do with that shooting in Vegas. He got manhandled by a martial artists for beating up a stripper that's what pissed him off. So he made good on a threat and the next thing you know the club got shot up. Pacman made it rain olright....
it may just be me but i guess all these other guys that pacman MATCHES or is better in the stat catagory are overrated too????

keep in mind the titans had the 2nd to worst pass rush in all the nfl.....that means the qb has all the time in the world to throw and pacman still puts up numbers like this....

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Here's a look at the players who are best in the metrics, based on the data collected so far. We're listing players with a minimum of 30 passes. First, the top 10 in Stop Rate. (Stop Rate measures percentage of plays that do not achieve offensive success by Football Outsiders standards: 45% of yards on first down, 60% on second down, 100% on third down.)

* 32-A.Jones TEN 52 65%
* 28-L.Bodden CLE 31 65%
* 31-R.Marshall CAR 35 63%
* 33-C.Tillman CHI 75 63%
* 21-C.McAlister BAL 53 62%
* 20-C.Gamble CAR 38 61%
* 29-D.Florence SD 55 60%
* 26-L.Sheppard PHI 35 60%
* 22-F.Thomas NO 49 59%
* 36-D.Barrett NYJ 34 59%

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The top 10 in yards per play:

* 36-D.Barrett NYJ 34 4.5
* 28-L.Bodden CLE 31 4.6
* 22-A.Samuel NE 53 4.7
* 27-W.Harris SF 48 5.0
* 25-R.McQuarters NYG 35 5.0
* 31-N.Vasher CHI 44 5.4
* 31-C.Finnegan TEN 30 5.4
* 32-A.Jones TEN 52 5.5
* 26-L.Sheppard PHI 35 5.5
* 31-R.Marshall CAR 35 5.5


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ok even if he the "stupidest athlete in pro sports" does that make him and everyone else on this list overrated??


just keep in mind hes a 2 year pro and in the last two years the titans have and the 31st worst pash rush in the entire leauge




explain overrated?

not with bullshti rants but with some numbers i could look at
 
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Tony said:
He's waaaay overrated! He's got to be one of the dumbest professional athletes in the world. How much trouble has this fool gotten into? Pacman had a lot to do with that shooting in Vegas. He got manhandled by a martial artists for beating up a stripper that's what pissed him off. So he made good on a threat and the next thing you know the club got shot up. Pacman made it rain olright....

he hasnt gotten into any trouble as of yet......he still hasnt been convicted of a crime.....he is on probation for a bar fight in college though:siccness:
 

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explain overrated?

not with bullshti rants but with some numbers i could look at
I can't do it. I don't have anything (like numbers) to back my opinion up. I seen him get hit up a few times (like missing open field tackles) and the receiver taking off for a TD or two. It happened in one game... it looked like he just gave up on the play. I think it was in his rookie season though. He can return kicks though... I'll give him credit for dat.
 
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what corners DONT miss tackles is my question.......like i said.....even though he is on my team.....even if he did have medicore covering skills (which isnt the case) he is still one of the best TACKLING corners in the leauge....will he miss a couple tackles or gets bulldozed by a couple RBs? of-fuck-course....just keep in mind corners arent the best open field tacklers..

so that is another bullshit argument...


you may see a couple (if that) titan games a year....i watch all 16 wiht out getting up to take a piss while its on (wait for the commericals or half time) and ill be the first to talk shit about what my team lacks......but saying pac is overrated is bullshit......


unless yall got some numbers to help me reliaze it
 
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He can return kicks though... I'll give him credit for dat.

hes possibly the most versitale player in the game right now.......hes a great corner back......a great returner......and everytime he touches the ball on offesne (which you wouldnt know happens if you dont watch titans games) he gets atleast 10 yards (no bullshit)......

if you think he can break ankles in the return game you should see him on offense.....its crazy that they dont put him in more.....but then he would be prone to injury and shit....
 

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he is still one of the best TACKLING corners in the leauge....
But then Collins hit Jerry Porter with a short pass, Pacman Jones blew a half-hearted tackle and the Raiders had a 34-25 lead on the 44-yard pass play.

Tennessee rookie cornerback Pacman Jones missed the tackle on the play, trying to shove Porter out of bounds, but the receiver kept his feet and raced to the end zone with the game-sealing touchdown.

"It's a simple football play that needs to be made," said veteran linebacker Keith Bulluck of the missed tackle.

This all I can come up with to support my arguement.
 

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hes possibly the most versitale player in the game right now.......hes a great corner back......a great returner......and everytime he touches the ball on offesne (which you wouldnt know happens if you dont watch titans games) he gets atleast 10 yards (no bullshit)......

if you think he can break ankles in the return game you should see him on offense.....its crazy that they dont put him in more.....but then he would be prone to injury and shit....
I haven't seen too many Titan games. I've seen the highlights and he is good at returning kicks. I thought he was overrated because I've seen him give up some big plays at corner.
 
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all corners give up plays and it is even harder when a QB has all the time in the world to pick you apart....that being siad i showed you the stats from last year....

now i do remeber that play.....i remember bulluck was pissed and ran right up to pac.....had to refresh my memory....



good find....but still doesnt take away from what he has proved this year...
 

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all corners give up plays and it is even harder when a QB has all the time in the world to pick you apart....that being siad i showed you the stats from last year....

now i do remeber that play.....i remember bulluck was pissed and ran right up to pac.....had to refresh my memory....



good find....but still doesnt take away from what he has proved this year...
You're right!! On the field he's improved his coverage skills because I think he got two INT's against the Giants. I just remember his rookie year he was giving up big plays so that's why I thought he was overrated. But you posted the stats to back up your arguement. So I may have to take back that overrated opinion about him... especially when you factor in his kick returns. Good post! Way to talk football without being disrespectful.
 
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and another thing that has helped pac is a our new SS chris hope (fa accustion from pittsburg)....before we had tank williams...he went to minnesota and i dont even think made the depth chart....
 
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BEARS OFFICIALLY REJECT SKINS TRADE

As of right now, Lance Briggs isn't going anywhere.
Jay Glazer / FOXSports.com
Posted: 2 hours ago


FOXSports.com has learned that the Bears have turned down the Redskins' offer of trading the sixth pick of April's draft for Chicago's Pro Bowl linebacker and the 31st pick of the draft. Redskins sources say Bears GM Jerry Angelo has phoned Washington with his decision.

For now the deal is dead, but that doesn't necessarily mean the deal is lost for good. It appears that the main sticking point is the fact that the Bears believe the pot isn't sweet enough as is.

Chicago would love the Redskins' young linebacker Rocky McIntosh in the deal to play Briggs' weakside linebacker position. Trading Briggs would leave Chicago without a starting weakside LB...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430?MSNHPHMA