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I am not trying to start a controversy or anything like that. its just that being on here I have been reading posts and feel like ppl living outside of the central valley do not understand what it is like to live out here, especially in the 559. Its long but hopefully enes will get a better understanding about what a mutt is and how it effects not only enes in the valley but all enes. I am not trying to change ppls feelings about gangs or which one is stronger. please no remarks of being to long just dont read it. These stories are known to the law, just like the stories about the norte sur separation of the 60's.





being that I am a norteno from fresno and have been in prison and the streets here is what I know about mutts. Back in the day like the between the 60's and early 80's Fresno was a major city for the NORTE, much like how San Jo and Frisco are today. before I go on the shit I'm spitting is already known to law enforcement so please no replys about me leaking N E thing out. one day orders were sent out to Fresno to do a jale by some enes from San Jo, also some enes from san jo were sent to Fresno to help out. N E ways enes from fresno were getting tired of having to answer to other enes and having to follow the 14 bonds. The felt like Fresno was to big and could stand alone. With this feeling of fustration separations started happening for a while. This is why that F14 shit happened they were like ok were norte but we are Fresno norte. Back to the order from san jo, some homeboys from Fresno decided to turn their backs on the homies from San Jo. ( I am not even going to get into what happened, mainly cause I really dont know, and cause it varies from the F14's jumping the San Jo enes to them killing them) What ever the event was, all that matters is that the F14's let both Nuestra Familia and The Eme that they felt that FRESNO WAS NOT NORTE OR SUR, THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN IT ANYMORE. Naturally fresno didnt get what it wanted. Its not like NORTE was going to let them go with out a war. This was around the early eighties, the prison enviroment changed in california around that time too. For one if you were from Fresno you would get hit up if you were F14(now known as bulldog) or N14(NORTE). F14s would have to get separated from Nortenos, and here is where confusion started. (I am not siding with mutts fuck that Im norte and not a mutt) but naturally surenos saw this separation and knew that this would hurt norte so to help it evolve, sur put a red light on F14's, which meant that other inmates would have to answer to sur if they hit up an F14. Veteranos have told me that if someone had a good reason they could get permisson from sur to fuck up a F14, he said it was easy but most of the time general population had to pay a tax.
See alot of enes and others for that matter felt like mutts tried becoming sur or they wanted to side with them and thats why they separated. It wasn't the reason its that they felt Fresno should have to take orders from norte or sur. Scraps only helped them so NORTE would loose soilders. Just recently sur got fustrated with protecting bulldogs. so they decided to give mutts a choice
1. They could pay a tax and carry out orders from them( so basically become surenos)
2. They could continue to resist and recieve a green light.
Bulldogs decided to stay alone and now they dont have the red light from sur.

On the streets around the late 80's and early 90's mutts got control of the Fresno county jail and the East side of Fresno. Around this time F14 took the name of the logo of Fresno State University. (I wish it would have been ducks or some other bitch logo) Around this time period hoods in Fresno especially in the East side lost their identity they went from names like Fresno Flats, Illnios street, East side Vato Locos, North side Fresno 14, to Bulldogs. In the early periods it was like everyone banged their hood and were nortenos or pledged allegiance to Fresno Bulldogs. Now a days there are many bulldog hoods. like East side and Park side bulldogs.

Around Fresno County between the late 80's and 90's, it was hella tight. Nortenos weren't necessarily united but when ene would go to county jail they would unite and fuck up what they called mutts and bullfrogs. Around cities like Sanger, Del Rey, Reedley, Parlier, Selma, and others hatred was shown toward Norteno dropouts. Like around 92-94 mutts try to start a type of hierarchy. which didn't work out since they formed so that "every dog could walk their own yard". Sadly they began to persuade enes that it was better to be a mutt than a norteno.
You see alot of nortenos began to start playing prison games. They would be all hard core norte on the streets but once they wound up in county they would become mutts since bulldogs ran the jail. If you are a NORTENO in Fresno county jail you are put into a separate tank, cause every one and their mom claim mutt in there. Once alot of enes played this game of transforming into mutt towns got run over. For instance Sanger which was known for its "chankla" hood of nortenos, switched and became bulldogs. now cities like selma and sanger all hoods that were norte are now bulldog. As of late I have been to Tulare county and know some enes out there and they have no bulldog hoods nor do they feel threatend of ever having one. so now bulldogs are trying to be known as a county gang. Another thing that is stupid is caus I am from Fresno and remeber in the late eighties and mutts didnt claim red or wear red. they only wore it cause the bulldog shirts and clothing were red. Now a mutt will have a red pano, laces, shirt I mean they will be flamed up. Also the word dog is sensitive around the 559, if you look like you bang and you say something like "whats up dog" or " the other day me and my dogs" nortenos and scraps will hit you up. and it goes the same way too if a bulldog uses the word to tell you "what up dog" a real norteno will say "I aint no dog". plus I know it sounds stupid but even barking is sensitive around here. For instance you know when your at a car show or concert and you get hyped up, ppl will like yell and shit. well mutts will bark, they also bark when they are jumping some one, ene ways I went to the car show in corcoran and some ppl were barking out of excitement when that fake crip snoop was performing. they were getting beer and shit thrown at them and getting hit up.

well this shit I wrote was to give enes a picture of the shit that goes on in the 559. I want enes to know that I am not saying N E thing on here that is not known to the law. (trust me it gets way deeper than the above) plus any other 559ers correct me where I am wrong cuz I have not been around for a minute, like between 94-97 and 99-01. I lived in fresno till 95 I was in juvy most of 94, but still I lived on the east side of fresno,always norte tough never switched or transformed. I am proud to be a NORTENO from Fresno. shit got crazy over here and I feel like some enes on here dont realize the war we have with not only scraps but also mutts.
 
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Damn, Homie--You makin a lot of shit clearer to me & I appreaciate it. I have lived all over the bay, but am from near Decoto, where to this day some insist "dog" is offensive and say "flue", and other don't seem to know anything about that at all, callin each other "dog" as if it's never been an issue. I don't know what I would be called as a mixed breed person, but no one has ever called me a "mutt," just "white trash or latin ass kissen norte" as a joke, though we all have had each others backs on the real all against scraps who start it and 50 that lies about the truth.

I do have to say I can understand there needs to be a lot more secrecy around the 14 bonds, cuz ppl just be assuming all the time I should know them just cuz they know of all the defensive work I put in against the offensive opposition for a combination of reasons. I am respecting that I shouldn't know all the 14 bonds unless I'm told, and I shouldn't BE told anything that should be kept among the few-particularly on a public board like this or in mixed company anywhere. Some folks just talk about them whenever just to show off, throwing signs to just anyone, & that won't help theirs.

What I do see is that regrardless of whatever set is around, ppl have respect for the fact that telling lies at the right time and place is your duty to keep 50 and scraps guessing, so most of us don't even trip on petty shit.
 
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RIGHT ON HOMEBOY...YOU MADE IT KNOWN AND CLEARED IT UP FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE...I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY COME FACE TO FACE WITH A FRESNO BULLFROG...THEY BASICALLY DON'T EXIST UP HERE...I MEAN I CAME UP BEING INFORMED ABOUT THE WHOLE SITUATION WITH THEM FOOLS AND THE FACT THAT IT'S ON SIGHT WITH THEM...A FEW YEARS AGO AT THE GOOD GUYS SWAP MEET AT THE ALEMEDA FAIRGROUNDS I SEEN TWO FOOLS SPORTIN FRESNO BULLDOG FOOTBALL JERSEYS AND BULLDOG HATS...SPORTIN BLACK BENZ...ME AND A HOMEBOY OF MINE RAN UP AND CHECKED EM REAL QUICK ABOUT THEIR AFFILIATION AND THEY DENIED IT..BASICALLY SAYIN THEY KNEW NOTHIN ABOUT WHAT WE WAS TALKIN ABOUT...SAID THEY WEREN'T BANGERS...THEY ENDED UP BEING L 7'S.....POINT BEING, THEY WILL GET CHECKED IF SEEN UP HERE AROUND THE BAY EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T EXIST AS FAR AS I KNOW!

AND IT'S A TRIP...I WAS TALKIN TO MY LADY'S UNCLE WHO'S AN O.G. FROM IRVINGTON SOUTH FREMONT...HE'S GOT A JACKET WITH A BIG "FRESNO BULLDOG" PATCH ON THE BACK WITH OLD ENGLISH "FREMONT" ACROSS THE TOP AND "IRVINGTON" ACROSS THE BOTTOM....HE RODE WITH THIS JACKET BACK IN THE 80'S...I ASKED HIM ABOUT IT AND HE WAS TELLIN ME THAT BACK IN THE DAY THE O.G. HOMEBOYS FROM IRVINGTON WOULD CALL THEMSELVES "IRVINGTON BULLDOGS" BECAUSE THE BULLDOG MASCOT SPORTED A HAT WITH A RED "F" ON IT...SO FOOLS WOULD SPORT FRESNO BULLDOG GEAR BECAUSE OF THE "F" AND RED COLORS....THEY WAS AT A PARTY IN SAN JO AND RAN INTO A CONFLICT BETWEEN LIKE 20 SAN JO FOOLS THAT WERE ABOUT TO SMASH ON A FRESNO BULLDOG THAT WAS ON THE SOLO...THE IRV HOMIES RAN IN THE MIDDLE AND TOOK THE BULLFROGS SIDE BECAUSE 1. THEY FELT 20 ON 1 WAS UNFAIR AND 2. THEY SEEN DUDE THROWIN UP THE "F" AND THEY WAS LIKE WE THROW THE "F" UP TOO SO THEY BACKED UP THE FRESNO FOOL NOT KNOWING THE SHIT BEHIND THE FUNK BETWEEN THE SAN JOSE HOMEBOYS.....SHIT GOT STRAIGHTENED UP REAL QUICK RIGHT AFTER THAT...BACK THEN THEY WAS YOUNGSTERS AND DIDN'T KNOW THE DEAL. THEY WERE CHECKED AND INFORMED ABOUT THE WHOLE BULLFROG SITUATION...NEEDLESS TO SAY THAT BULLDOG SHIT GOT STRAIGHTENED UP...I HAVE SEEN SOME IRVINGTON HOMEBOYS NOT TOO MUCH OLDER THEN ME THAT HAVE BULLDOG TATTOOS ON EM CAUSE NOBODY SCHOOLED EM ON THE SHIT...CAUSE LIKE I SAID..BULLDOGS DON'T EXIST UP HERE AND UP UNTIL RECENTLY ONLY A FEW REALLY KNEW ABOUT THEM AND THEIR HISTORY!! FRESNO MUTTS WILL NEVER SPREAD THEIR BOUNDRIES FARTHER THEN WHERE THEY ARE NOW I THINK...THEY WILL NEVER BECOME A FACTOR ANYWHERE NEAR HERE...FUCK EM!!!
 
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straight up your right they will never spread farther than the county. like I said its fucked up how some ppl play the prison game with county jail, I mean in the pen its like life and death. but in county its just a little time with not so violent ppl and still motha fuckas will claim that shit in their to make their time easier. whats crazy is that some older mutts will have the four dots and famero bird tatted on them from back in the day and also have a bulldog on them. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEM CAUSE THEY ARE SMALL IN NUMBERS OR THAT THE YOUNGER MUTTS NEVER CLAIMED ENE ANYWAY. WE DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEM AND I HATE IT WHEN SOME ENES SAY FUCK IT I AINT TRIPPING CAUCE THEY AINT TRIPPING, IT SHOULD BE ON SIGHT.
 
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i hear alot of people from the valley sayin this stuff homie, sayin y'all got it the hardest, really carlos was the one i heard talkin about it the most (fc eNe.) and i always gave props to homies out there for that, i know it is alot tougher in that area cause in alot of places eNe's are outnumbered in a place where we shouldn't be you know? but there are different gangs everywhere and some either get along or are rivals of that mighty NORTE. it's like there are crips in alot of places, but i never met any in watsonville, well, y'all got mutts out there and we ain't got em in watsonville or really anywhere outside that area in the central valley. i have said it before and i say it again, I give much love and props to the homeboys out there that deal with them mutts. keep your heads up and stay strong out there and keep the Norte stronger than the others regardless of the numbers they got. stay up and much NORTHERN love homeboys in the valley
 
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thanx homies and by all means this is not a post that was meant to make central valley enes as having it harder. hell naw being an ene in life period is hard we are outnumbered as hell. plus if a NE1 puts on a flue rag then ppl usually dont say shit about his gang as a whole they just judge him on what he does. but if a homie claims norte then everyone and their mom stress how 1. we are outnumber( this has always been true and a real ene knew this shit b4 they claimed ene) 2. that scraps in LA dont even care about us that they dont even care that we exist( shit I dont give a fuck about them and they dont give a fuck about me, believe me the reason we stress sur/norte so much is that due to geography more ppl are moving here and can be lured into sur b4 norte, imagine if it was a canadian thing it would be flipped, I know it is far fetched but it is to get a point across)

enes dont get it twisted this post was to inform others about how it is in the 559 since most enes on here are from the bay or more northern valley. Also I been thru the california prison system and I wanted to clear up any misconceptions about Fresno County enes since homies assume a banger from fresno or fresno county wants to rep Bulldog.

The reason we stress mutt shit is cause like you know how bangers are, we like to go to car shows, concerts, and shit like that in our county. like when I was growing up in Fresno the Fresno Fair was cool and the car shows at the fair grounds were tight. N E ways as years passed shit got to the point were bulldogs were the main thing and it felt ugly when the majority of your city hates you and you get outnumbered. then when you love norte so much but you have fresno tatted on you that homies act like they cant trust you. thats why I wrote this shit to clear up some confusion. 1 love to every ene we are in this shit together
 
Jul 21, 2002
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that's kinda my bad homie, the way i worded it, it made it seem like i was tryna make it seem that you were sayin yall had it the toughest of any norteno set or area, which i didn't mean to do. i haven't been there, but from what i hear, it is kinda just my opinion that y'all might be outnumbered the most you know, cause of the frogs out there, that's what i was sayin homie, stay up
 
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I gotta question for anyone who's bangin;
What would you do if I showed you physical evidence that the CIA is feeding us with an anger stimulating agent that's instrumental in our social declination????

Gangs are part of a global and not just national plan to keep our numbers in check. It's called global population control, but they're only after the non-white population.
The CIA created the AIDS virus to control the African population.
What can stop them from creating a synthetic agent that alters our emotions?
Nothing....
Our judicial system is part of the plan as well.
It keeps us in check....
The Illuminati will never let go of our throats until we snap out of this.

We're doing the dirty work for them! We are their poppets....

Like Neo, what pill do you choose to take?
Take the blue pill and you will go back to wonderland.
Take the red pill and it will take you into the real world.

Click here if you choose the red pill:
http://www.holygrail-church.fsnet.co.uk/The Illuminati.htm

Peace,
Miggidy
 
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Chris,

True, but people cannot even begin to understand that.
The Illuminati has filled their vision with smoke, it blinds them from the truth.

Do you know who the Illuminati is today?
Do you know who runs the show?
One would think it's the CIA or the UN or US government.
But they are all decoys.
Who's the most powerful and influencial people in the world?
Money is power!
Those who control currency flow, control the world.
Look into the National Reserve, who runs it?
The super wealthy international banks of the world.
If the public only knew that these people are the ones responsible for the creation of slavery, AIDS, racism, weapons of mass destruction, poverty, atheism, satanism, World War 1 and 2.
And soon to come, WW3....

If the people of the world only knew that these snakes are paving the way for the beast....
And that we are all their poppets.....
If they only had the mental capacity to understand....

Open your mind and expand your thoughts.
Ultimately open your heart....
 
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as i walk through the valley of death, I fear no man but God...
people knock me for my relgion and what not, but all that matters is, Jesus gives me strength and an optimistic attitude for what the future holds, i don't want to get in a discussion on a post that has nothing to do with this but, i no longer fear death, i fear being paralyzed, but that's about it. i know i am in God's hands and whatever happens to me i pray, is in his will. i don't worry about world war III or about the bullshit anymore, people are going to give themselves a heart attack with that shit. i have faith in HIM and faith alone gets me through each day with a good attitude for what will happen after my death. i almost invite death, i can't kill myself, but i know there is something far greater waiting for me in heaven. that's all i got to say about it
 
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Who's the most powerful and enfluencial people in the world?
i feel u 110% and i know who tha culprit is but people ain''t ready to hear the truth...they'll just label u crazy.....it ain't their fault, it's the same "decoy" that runs the media....

my post has nothin 2 do with religion, miggidy knows the deal...
 
Jul 3, 2002
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damn blood that shits crazy!! My ex's girl is a fucken savage as motherfucker and this fool used to live up in Fresno but was up in the sco for awhile. This fool was always like "FRESNO BULLDOGS" then he'd start barking like crazy!! He was always funking with the skraps. Probably the most down ass motherfucker I ever met!
 
Jul 21, 2002
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i don't know how much y'all know about the antichrist and shit, but it is supposed to be a figure in the world who is the most recognizable person the world over. my fiancee' thinks that it may be micheal jackson, as funny as that sounds, it does kinda of hold some truth. he has enough money to buy a country or a few if he wanted, and behind closed doors, could have the power to start shit, or shut shit down. also, towards the end of the world, the second coming of Jesus etc..., we will actually move closer to world peace, and with that, people will try and make one form of government, and one form of currency. i don't know if you have heard at all y'all, but they are switching to the "euro" in europe in alot of countries, as one currency acceptable in different countries. and the current war on terrorism, is actually a step closer to world peace, there is so much going on out there, the world may be ending soon
 
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u fuckin on one...michael jackson...he has alot of money, but he dont have that much $$$, bill gates got alot fuckin more...michael jackson is a goof ass example of who could be a antichrist, no one would follow his ass, he a fuckin faggot, he molested that kid remember, plus he made a album recently and it sold liek 2 copies
 
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nah homie, but look. we ain't the only country in the world. you know how many loyal fans he still has over seas? he is like a GOD, literally in other countries. he may not be respected here, but he is elsewhere. the person i said that would have potentially been the antichrist is elvis. mothafukkas still call him the king and shit, he was also famous the world over, same principle. it's all speculation tho anyways, there is more examples of shit that goes along with it man. there are certain things that it mentions, like qualties that the supposed antichrist will have, wacko jacko has more than a few, regardless of how whacked his is in his dome man, the similarities to the desciption are there. don't trip off it tho homie, it ain't nothing big
 
Nov 27, 2002
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That Michael Jackson as the Antichrist "gives me butterflies." (Guess I am one of the two people who bought his last CD)

Ya Know-- Maybe that's totally on point, in that he'd be a man with the motive, the money, and the power to topple the WTC to release the oppressed worlwide from the unscrupulous grip of the power elite, perhaps even as vengeance for slavery and opression of all poor and disenfranchised people. Ya know, he held a concert on the MONDAY night (strange timing) in New York City before the towers fell. No one who went to his concert should have been up and around the next day to be at the towers. It seemed to me that that would have been a great way to make sure his friends and fans would all be together in one place and not haphazardly all over the world doin their own thang at the moment of impact, and also not so far away as to look like they knew it was coming.

Likewise, what's with Lauren Hill & Slick Rick talking about hooking up with sheiks and shahs to finance a revolution against US oppression in their music? (Not that freespeech proves any kind of actual link with the WTC collapse) And why are we suddenly deporting Slick Rick now as if that wouldn't just fuel the fire? Rick or Michael would prolly WANT to be an "antichrist" if the false prophets claiming to speak for Christ are evil against truly Christlike good people.

Anyways, what kind of proof is there that the King of Pop actually did anything to a kid anyway. The media that said he did something is the same media that knows it would make enormous amounts of monbey selling magazines and TV shows if it invented a scandalous story about a fanous person. In the face of that kind of motivation, I kind of doubt the media unless there is undeniable unphotoshoppable proof. Then again, this could all be 99% bullshit. Ooops, I meant 110% Bullshit. Feel better?

Anyways, were living in a time where there is proven corruption at the leadership of Christs's own church, even though Christ himself says somewhere in the bible that you don't need a church in order to pray, so if Christ himself is being misreprented by what corrupt people call "Christ," don't it follow that maybe those that claim the "Anti-christ" might just be trying to battle against false "Christ" reprsentations, being MORE Christlike in the end? Damn, I just gave myself another headache...Anyone got a Tylenol PM and a coughdrop? I got the siccness.
If none of this made sense, don't worry about it for now...chalk it up to the delusional rantings of someone with a high fever and a short attention span.