Rappers hate America/ Hip-Hoppers are terrorists

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SOAK::GAME said:
lol @ all the folks who thought this was real
Exactly what I was thinking. It's like raw meat for these cats. I see this website no differently than I see those corny iced out stuntaz webpages.

WHITE DEVIL said:
Hatch...this kind of idiocy, racism, and moronic thought are common among America's heartland. These are the people who vote Bush.
I beg to differ. I highly doubt that any portion of Bush's followers believe that hip-hop is a form of terrorism as stated in this article. In fact, our younger generation is growing up as we speak idolizing these "terrorists". I have never met a single soul on this planet who so much as hinted at believing anything contained in that article. It is full of fictional comedy based bullshit that people are supposed to stumble across and go tell their friends about.

@2-0-Sixx, miggidy, JazzFan: If I wanted to hear some good music from Immortal Technique, where would I start? Thanks in advance!
 
May 13, 2002
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^^^A bush supporter at my work constantly argues with me about rap music. He DOES in fact see rap artists as "terrorists" and actually stated we need to "eliminate" everyone who raps about violence, gangs etc. And that's on the real, no b.s.

He is pretty fucking extreme and also tries to justify a lot of fucking nonsense, such as abortion clinic bombings. Unfortunately these people DO exist.


You can hit me up this weekend if you want some Immortal tech. mp3's
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
^^^A bush supporter at my work constantly argues with me about rap music. He DOES in fact see rap artists as "terrorists" and actually stated we need to "eliminate" everyone who raps about violence, gangs etc. And that's on the real, no b.s.
But how big of a factor does supporting Bush play into those beliefs. Is he a religious person? Is he racist? Etc.

2-0-Sixx said:
You can hit me up this weekend if you want some Immortal tech. mp3's
What is his best album? [It is a person right? LOL]
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
But how big of a factor does supporting Bush play into those beliefs. Is he a religious person? Is he racist? Etc.
He follows bush's every word. He is very religious (christian). Not sure if he's racist...but uh, he does talk about "The Jews" a lot.



What is his best album? [It is a person right? LOL]
Yeah, just one person. Revolutionary Vol.2 is his best album.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
But how big of a factor does supporting Bush play into those beliefs. Is he a religious person? Is he racist? Etc.
Bush is not a part of the moderate christians. Bush is representative of the far right. Everything from his anti-abortion stance, his Faith-based Initiatives, etc., are very non-moderate. The reason America believes Bush is anywhere close to center is due in part to 1. the Fox News Channel, 2. a Kerry campaign that doesn't want to point out Bush's extreme conservatism for fear of being labeled "liberal", and 3. the lack of Bush-critical press.

This anti hip-hop idea is not fundamental only to wackos. Notable examples: Dick and Lynn Cheney, Bill O'Reilly, etc. This type of simplicity and moral absolutism is rampant among the Right. Remember the thread "Only idiots vote Bush"? Another study by BU indicates that the less someone knows about domestic and foreign policy issues, the more likely they are to vote Republican, even when it is not in their best interests.

Nitro, you are no longer an outright conservative, as you once were, but you frequently appear to defend Bush or some simplistic conservative issue. The stark reality is what happens in real life implementation of Republican policies actually brings the opposite
of the stated goal.

What is his best album? [It is a person right? LOL]
Yes.
 
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Aight Imma cop that ishhhhh.

LOL @ You're "friend" from work. Sounds like he is a little delusional. I know people look at hip-hop as "terrorism" from a mental aspect (this is the case for both left and right wingers), but actually talking about eliminating rappers is something I do not believe to be a problem in the right wing party. This discussion is really aimed at ignorance, not conservatism.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
This anti hip-hop idea is not fundamental only to wackos. Notable examples: Dick and Lynn Cheney, Bill O'Reilly, etc. This type of simplicity and moral absolutism is rampant among the Right.

For example, this morning in San Diego County a high school walked out in protest of the school ban on hip hop music. http://www.nbcsandiego.com/education/3721833/detail.html

Nothing like good old conservative censorship to rile young people up into action.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
This anti hip-hop idea is not fundamental only to wackos. Notable examples: Dick and Lynn Cheney, Bill O'Reilly, etc. This type of simplicity and moral absolutism is rampant among the Right. Remember the thread "Only idiots vote Bush"? Another study by BU indicates that the less someone knows about domestic and foreign policy issues, the more likely they are to vote Republican, even when it is not in their best interests.
My point is this. Unless you can prove to me that the same mentality is not present in democrats-liberals I have no reason to believe that this is a problem with the right wing party. Now if Hatch created this same thread, but aimed at liberals, I would have typed the same exact thing to him.

WHITE DEVIL said:
Nitro, you are no longer an outright conservative, as you once were, but you frequently appear to defend Bush or some simplistic conservative issue. The stark reality is what happens in real life implementation of Republican policies actually brings the opposite
of the stated goal.
I have stated on several occasions why it may appear that I am defending Bush. So rather then repeat it again, I will go further. The question now might be: Well if you're for neither side, and you defend the truth, then why do you seemingly always defend Bush when people criticize him, and not the other way around? Tha answer is simple. The reason is because 99% of the political threads in this forum are smashing on Bush. How many (opinionated) threads or articles have been posted from a conservative prospective over the past few weeks? Little to none. On the front page of this forum I counted 9 threads from a non-republican member, who is either bashing Bush or trying to point out flaws in the conservative system. I counted 1 thread from a conservative, and coincidentally, it is talking about how Bush is unfit for office. I'm sorry that I am reluctant to join the parade, but it is of no interest to me to point out flaws in an American government system. It's like pointing out grapes in a vineyard. How fun is that?

As for Immoratl Technique, I knew it was a person (I read up on him before I asked), I was just making a comical reference to the Dead Prez thread.
 
May 8, 2002
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WHITE DEVIL said:
The reason America believes Bush is anywhere close to center is due in part to

3. the lack of Bush-critical press.
LOL. you must have been in a DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP sleep for the 8 months prior to the coming out of the swift boat vets, for those 8 months just about every acticle that come out about bush was ANTI-BUSH.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Nitro, you are no longer an outright conservative, as you once were, but you frequently appear to defend Bush or some simplistic conservative issue.
i could have sworn i heard Nitro say that he was supporting Kerry. Am i wrong??? and if so how does that make him conservative???

what Nitro is is Patriotic.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
My point is this. Unless you can prove to me that the same mentality is not present in democrats-liberals I have no reason to believe that this is a problem with the right wing party.
Do you know anything about the cultural climate of party politics? Do you understand the basic mentality of Republicanism? You do know that extreme racism, censorship, and anti-minority movements are not associated with the "far left". Republican leadership (and Democrats, before the South became Republican) have a history of opposing groups and movements associated with minority groups or minority furtherance.

The only "democrat" I could find wanting to ban rap/hip-hop, etc., is the joke that is Zell Miller...a Democrat with a more conservative voting record than half of the GOP. You act like you have this obligation to be "fair and balanced", as if every point deserves an instant counterpoint.

If person one says water is wet, and person two says water is dry, must person one prove the wetness of water? Is the answer always (Theory1*Theory2)/2? If you say I am ten feet tall, and I say I am 4, does that automatically make me 7 feet tall? This sort of "fair and balanced" obsession lends itself to logical blunders aplenty.

Also, it's not as if we are drawing from a blank political slate in every thread. We all know the climate and the ideals associated with the left and right, and the logical extensions thereof.

If you take the left to an extreme, you end up with holistic secularism, communism, atheism, multiculturalism, white reperationism, and a top-heavy government.

If you take the right to an extreme, you get a localized, small government, standards-stringent theological authoritarianism, semi-anarchist federalism, and stressing of traditionalism and the status quo. Which of these would be prone to censorship of black music in their extreme form?

Now if Hatch created this same thread, but aimed at liberals, I would have typed the same exact thing to him.
Hatch is not out of his mind. He would not do such a thing. This would be tantamount to me making a thread about Republicans attempting to introduce communism into our political climate.

I have stated on several occasions why it may appear that I am defending Bush. The question now might be: Well if you're for neither side, and you defend the truth, then why do you seemingly always defend Bush when people criticize him, and not the other way around? Tha answer is simple. The reason is because 99% of the political threads in this forum are smashing on Bush. How many (opinionated) threads or articles have been posted from a conservative prospective over the past few weeks? Little to none. On the front page of this forum I counted 9 threads from a non-republican member, who is either bashing Bush or trying to point out flaws in the conservative system.

Well this is no secret. In predominant hip-hop politics, common themes include an intrinsic fault with the status quo, communal responsibility, and a deep-rooted minority connection. In this atmosphere, it is no secret that the constituency and core of this site is opposed to the Bush administration. This administration is antithetical to basically every tenet of majority hip-hop thought.

Once again, if Bush makes 100 faulty policy decisions, and one good one, is he automatically entitled to a "fair and balanced" point spread across this board? Does he deserve 50% good and 50% bad threads?

To me, the decisions and policy of this administration are so obviously wrongheaded that anyone from any political stripe should realize the unsuitability of Bush and Co. for the presidential office. This site is mainly a voicing of opinions, and thus we call it like we see it. It's no secret or surprise that Bush, conservatives, etc. are largely opposed on a site whose core and ideals are wholly opposite.

I counted 1 thread from a conservative, and coincidentally, it is talking about how Bush is unfit for office. I'm sorry that I am reluctant to join the parade, but it is of no interest to me to point out flaws in an American government system. It's like pointing out grapes in a vineyard. How fun is that?
Inaction, in my opinion, as just as open to criticism as action. I hope 1000 more anti-Bush threads pop up on here...the blundering and faults of this administration are moreso than any in recent memory. Even Bush 41 would be preferable to Georgie.

Hatch and many conservatives support some chauvinistic notion that American patriotism is equated with jingoism, hubrism, and squelching of dissent. In fact, the truth is the complete opposite.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
You do know that extreme racism, censorship, and anti-minority movements are not associated with the "far left".
LETS SEE,

1. extreme racism: does Robert Byrd ring a bell. last time i checked he WAS a far left Democrat.
2. censorship: ya, you mean like what Kerry was trying to do to the Swifties by threatening Newspapers, TV Stations, and book publishers with lawsuits if they carried the ads or didnt cave in to their demands to stop with the book.
3. anti-minority: like when almost All democrats in the 60's were against the civil rights movement and legislative bills

WHITE DEVIL said:
Republican leadership (and Democrats, before the Sotuh became Republican) have a history of opposing groups and movements associated with minority groups or minority furtherance.
which political party was against civil right movements in the 60's?????????? and which one voted for them????
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
LETS SEE,

1. extreme racism: does Robert Byrd ring a bell. last time i checked he WAS a far left Democrat.
He's also 87 fucking years old. This guy tried to filibuster the 1967 voting rights act. There is a large difference between pointing to one example (Robert Byrd) and looking at attitudes and ideas prevalent in sweeping and generalized ideology.

2. censorship: ya, you mean like what Kerry was trying to do to the Swifties by threatening Newspapers, TV Stations, and book publishers with lawsuits if they carried the ads or didnt cave in to their demands to stop with the book.
Gee willikers, those poor Swifty Wifties! There is a huge difference between censoring a conference, a music CD, or a movement, and attempting to censor a political ad with little or no retrospective value other than character assassination.

That's like saying, "We're cancelling the New York Times, because a liberal shut down Blues Clues." The substantiative value of musical, philosophic, and radical expression hugely outweighs a cheap little political ad designed to gain points for a candidate. This is comparing apples to oranges...or apples to a watermelon field.

3. anti-minority: like when almost All democrats in the 60's were against the civil rights movement and legislative bills
Once again, Democrats who later 1. became Republicans 2. re-sparked the Southern antifederalist, anti-government, anti-central schooling movement after the Civil Rights Act that now pervades the Republican party (less government is better, states rights over federal rights, private school over public school).

As is widely known, after the Civil Rights Act was passed, LBJ was extremely saddened. A journalist asked him why. His response, "We have just lost the South to the Republicans".

Hours after the Civil Rights Act was passed, private schools began to pop up all over the South, along with the notion that the government has no idea what is best for our children/country, and that the states should easily be able to overturn Washington. A version of this already existed in the Jim Crow laws...

which political party was against civil right movements in the 60's?????????? and which one voted for them????
And how many anti-civil rights Southern Democrats later became Republicans or left their post off to Republicans? The South has been Republican ever since 1964. You can see a direct and indisputable correlation between the Civil Rights Act and the rise of Republicans in the South. The reason more Democrats voted against the civil rights act was simple; Back then, the South was predominately Democrat, along with all the ideas that came with it.

Racist, Idiotic Southern Democrats are on the rise, though. Example: Zell Miller, Robert Byrd. Zell Miller, the man who Sean Hannity pimps all the time as proof of a "lost party", who consistently voted to keep Nelson Mandela in prison.