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koncept

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Nas received a lot of press and some flack for calling his last album Hip Hop Is Dead and even if hip hop’s not dead, its sales are down significantly this year.

“This year, rap sales are down 33% from 2006, twice the decline for the industry overall, according to Nielsen SoundScan.”

KRS-One’s explanation on the decline in sales:

“The music is garbage,” he says. “What has happened over the past few years is that we have traded art for money, simple and plain, and the public is not stupid.”

The figures to back up the claims that rap has lost its crown:

Whatever’s causing consumers to tune out, it’s clear that rap no longer dominates the music industry. In 2006, rap sold 59.1 million albums, down 21% from 2005 and 27% from 2004. Sales are trailing those for country albums (75 million) and heavy metal (61.6 million) — genres that rap formerly overshadowed.

In 2006, for the first time in five years, no rap albums were among the year’s 10 biggest sellers, a list led by the soundtrack to Disney’s High School Musical, which sold 3.7 million copies. Compare that with 2003, when 50 Cent’s Get Rich or Die Tryin’ ranked No. 1 with 6.5 million copies…
 
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carl winslow

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koncept said:
“The music is garbage,” he says. “What has happened over the past few years is that we have traded art for money, simple and plain, and the public is not stupid.”
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completely agree with krs except for the last part where he says "the public is not stupid"

reason for disagreeing:
koncept said:
among the year’s 10 biggest sellers, a list led by the soundtrack to Disney’s High School Musical, which sold 3.7 million copies.
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the public is still buying stupid shit, just not as much stupid hip hop as before. maybe rappers need to exagerate their rap characters a little more...or bring back the heavy influence of choreographed dancing...or stop making songs about chicken noodle soup
 
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ThaG

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The public is stupid, it has always been stupid and that is not going to change in the foreseeable future

It is just that in its first 15 years rap was something new, mostly confined to the underground (which is always the most creative part of the society) and hadn't reached the public. Once it did, it started going downhill for reasons that are clear to everybody.

These are natural processes and there is little that can be done, the hope is that rap will go underground again and creativity and innovation will take over once the majors stop pushing the crappy shit. The majors will stop promoting crap only when sales become sufficiently low for them to lose money from rap albums, so I can only be happy about these stats
 
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battle619

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the labels should no longer look for radio dj's or producers to do cd's. they need legit mc's that care about what they rap and rep in there music. then sales will go back up.
 
The Evil Genius

The Evil Genius

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Alot of the public is stupid but not all. Rap iz gonna continue to die because for every artist that cares about the music there will be a dozen more that'll sell their soulz 4 a million dollar check. Then u look @ the youth. Mothafuckas running around thinking that Hyphy & crunk iz artistic. Cats actually beleiving Lil Wayne iz the greatest rapper alive. Great MC's & hip hop pioneers dying from gunshot blast to car accidents & getting locked up while garbage ass mothafuckas are getting endorsed by shoe companys & beating case after case. The music been garbage. This is nothing new. I fuck with the underground only. I haven't bought a mainstream album besides probably E-40 & Scarface since the 90's. Tha game iz fake anyways.
 
THE ACIDRAPTOR

THE ACIDRAPTOR

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The mainstream/commercial hip-hop side is a big disgrace to the hip-hop culture...
I just dont understand why an upcoming artist has to abide by what's hot & on top regarding trends, fads, swagger, trademarks, anything that popular right now??? Can't they just innovate their own style musically & individually just to make them distinct apart from others??? They just arent that wisely educated, they dont look way deeper into any concepts which they easily can even tho it takes alotta extensive outlining and research......
 
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Blaze1

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so rap sales are down? is anyone really surprised? How many kats on this site talk about that new rap album thats about to come out and also say how quick they are to DL....I mean i agree that a lot of the mainstream music is crap, and the industry ceos are doing a shitty job puttin out quality music that actually lives on longer than the first week...IMO downloading is definitely causeing the lose in sales...in any genre..but mostely rap/hip hop...and i know what they're gonna say too...well Im not gonna spend my money on cd's for just one song or this or that...but damn what was you doing before the internet? everyone had to buy them...choose wisely...live with it....I just see DL is the reason why there aint a lot of mom's and pops record stores no more, no tower, no sam goody, all them bitches closed down. Long live rasputains!!!!! and buy bitches!!!!
 
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DezertEagle

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I posted this in a different topic but I think it fits with this topic to:

Rap is not going down hill. There are just more people out there trying to be the next __________(fill in the blank). I think a lot of the new rappers are trying to hard to be like someone else. The radio doesn't help rap either because all they play is garbage like "this is why I'm hot". No offense but I don't need some one I've never heard of explaining why he's hot and I'm not. Bitch Please!
Rap is as strong as ever for the true rap fans. Technology has made it easier for "underground rappers" to spread their music and build strong fan bases. Boards like this one are proof that rap is alive and going strong!
 
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Blaze1

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i agree^^^^

the mainstream rap sales are down but i bet the underground true rap/hip hop sales are stayin consistant if not gettin better from the internet...internet is good and bad....like that sayin...guns dont kill people, people kill people.
 
The Evil Genius

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Real spit. @ the end of the day cats need 2 make better music & fans need 2 start buying & not downloading. I own a few hundred CD's & NONE are bootlegged. I eat, sleep & breathe this shit but I've also found myself buying less & less CD's every year & I find myself less interested in checking 4 new artist cuz the 90% of the new found talent is unoriginal & trash on the mic. I also noticed that most rappers aren't even real fans of the music. In interviews an artist can be asked what is he listening to right now & he'll say "me, my crew, what's on the radio/video" or "some cats from my town". U can ask him who is he feeling accross the globe & he'll act like he aint never heard of anyone outside his backyard.
 
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All 4 the Bay

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thats from USA today. i read that shit and 100% agree with it. On a major market nothing creative comes out anymore. everyone is focused on makin that one hit and thats it
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Yep. Thats the only reason why I spent that 75 cents at Albertson's. Rap is garbage. And it really is true that a lot of listeners are converting over to rock, like myself. The shit thats coming out lately is pure nonsense. How long would they be able to rap about hoes, cars, money, and jewlery. That shit is getting hella old. They need to brainstorm and try to come out with something new.

Ex: A Bay Bay. Wtf is that song even about? It just has a catchy hook, but kids flow and lyrics are terrible.
 
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All 4 the Bay

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^^^^then why are these disney musicals going platinum each time? Shit look at Chris Daughtry, that dude is 2x plat....and that country singer that blonde hair chick, she sold over 5 million copies. Rap sales are down not just because of the internet, but because it friggin sucks! All the rap shit coming out is nothing but fads. I don't consider n e of this shit future classics.
 
THE ACIDRAPTOR

THE ACIDRAPTOR

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I dont download at all, not even for one single joint!!! I only buy cds and only cds that are quality classics and sooo worth listening to......

...and not just rap, all other genres as well... Adult contemporary, alternative, jazz, metal, new age, new wave, punk, reggae, rnb, soul, electronica, world indigenous music, you name it......
I have a great taste in music and I always support moms & pops stores to underground clubs & local music indie spots and you guys should too!!...
It's time to open your minds & let your conscience free from your little boring bubble......
 
DankedOut707

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All 4 the Bay said:
^^^^then why are these disney musicals going platinum each time? Shit look at Chris Daughtry, that dude is 2x plat....and that country singer that blonde hair chick, she sold over 5 million copies. Rap sales are down not just because of the internet, but because it friggin sucks! All the rap shit coming out is nothing but fads. I don't consider n e of this shit future classics.
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CUZ PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIKE THAT SHIT WOULD GO OUT AND BUY IT. IM GUESSING FOR DISNEY MUSICALS, 99% OF IT IS WHITE PEOPLE. SO THE ADULTS GO OUT AND BUY IT FOR THEIR KIDS CUZ LITTLE BILLY AND SUSIE SEEN IT ON TV.
 
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The Evil Genius said:
People thought thought the world was gonna end in the year 2000. It ended upp being judgement day on the hip hop world cuz when 2000 hit, hip hop went str8 2 hell.
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good way to look at it. i'm saying what all you are saying, this mainstream garbage is degrading to the hip-hop culture and has no relivance what so ever. the internet has really helped in promotion for indie artists, hell most the rappers i listen to i heard form the internet, and i dont believe the only reason sales are down beacuse of dl, it has something to do with it but some of it is the fact that the music isn't.....well good music
 
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