Question to all who want Bush out of office...

[JoMoDo]

Should Nader stay on the ballot and continue to run (I believe if he get's 5% of the Vote's he becomes eligible for the Federal funds to match his campaign contributions for the Green Party for the next election).

I partially agree w/ his concept and position that we are in an oligarchy and there is virtually little to no choice between a Dem's & Repo's candidate (although there are some signifigcant differences). I do think it is important to have perhaps another party platform to express an alternate point of view to represent more population of the people.

However, w/ the polls being so close is it worth risking another 4 yrs on the Bush Train for this cause? If not this term, next term?

Is it simply an excuse to keep pushing him back, or does his running on the ticket really threaten the Democrat's chances of winning the ballots?

Thoughts & opinions
(and here is an idea, let's try to void this thread of personal insults and keep it intellectual, i.e. minimize the bickering and maximize expressing/debating your points of view in a respectful & diligent manner)

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Well, I think Nader should run for a couple of reasons: 1). It gives political expression outside of the two party system 2). By running, his supporters and other organizations continue to grow which essentially is a movement against big business and corporate domination.

I know many Socialist groups support Nader mainly for the above reasons. We are aware that he will not win, but we understand there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. We understand that these two parties correspond to the interests of big corporations. The workers, woman, colored people are the majority of this country and we have no party to correspond to our interests. Nader's campaign represented a courageous foundation that could prepare the conditions for such a party.

If we allow the two party system to intimidate candidates, then what kind of country are we living in?

 

[jay deuce]

I think Nader is a republician funded canidate. He's only there for Bush's gain IMO

 

[krishna]

I thought the green party already said nader isnt going to be their candidate?

 

[JoMoDo]

^^^^
Tomorrow (7/9/04) on NPR Nader & Dean will be having a 'no holds barred' debate at either 10 or 11 am pst going over these issues...

 

[THA RIPPA]

^ Ill be listening to that.

I hate this "spoiler" talk. Everyone can be seen as a spoiler. Bush is potentially keeping Kerry from winning. Kerry is potentially keeping Bush from winning. You dont see them trying to keep each other off the ballots. Why is it different for Nader?

I think Nader should be allowed to stay in on the principle that anyone here can run for public office.

 

[TOKZTLI]

Nader and Kucinich should keep running for the reasons expressed by 2-0-Sixx and Tha Rippa. Having a 2 Party system is the same as having a one party system. The American belief that any person can run for office is almost crushed by the 2 parties in power. I dont mind that anyone is funded by Trial Lawyers as much as those supported by Out Of State PAC's [China, Israel, etc.] and lobbysts for corporations closely associated with the candidates [Enron, Bechtel, etc.] Once these candidates are elected to office, those companies and countries gain a stronghold on America and those candidates become their puppets.

 

[tadou]

I'm still waiting on an alternate conservative party to spring up, something that is pro-values but not so fucking pro-business.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Why not? Our country is hopeless.

Look at the major news outlets: 4/5 of the top radio shows are Republicones, the "fair and balanced" Fox News channel portrays Bush/Republicans positive as fuck, Bill O'Reilly, the "independent" with the largest audience of any political commentator, is basically a Republican...there is not *one* opinion show by a progressive/democrat on TV, and Americans honestly think they get a fair, even shake when it comes to news.

Conservatives will continue to dominate...and even if they fuck up majorly and make huge mistakes, such as the Iraq War, they will continue to hold the power and control our country. The stock market has the opinion that a conservative is in the best interests of the business bottom line, and middle America is largely conservative.

In short, we will never see real change as long as the Murdoch media monopoly continues, which it will. Conservatives will hold major clout even in the face of huge mistakes, and our country is fucked.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

I'm still waiting on an alternate conservative party to spring up, something that is pro-values but not so fucking pro-business.

I was wondering what your alternative party was about when you first mentioned the idea. But if you're not pro-business, are you pro-big govt/govt services?

 

[THA RIPPA]

Why not? Our country is hopeless.

Look at the major news outlets: 4/5 of the top radio shows are Republicones.

Who? Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage are the top 3 hosts in the nation....whos the other Republicone, and who has the other top rated show?

P.S. Both me and 2-0-Sixx agreed on something. WOW.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

P.S. Both me and 2-0-Sixx agreed on something. WOW.

Let's try not to do that again.

 

[THA RIPPA]

Certainly not. Obviously, one of us fucked up big time.

 

[YunG VenoM]

Why not? Our country is hopeless.

Look at the major news outlets: 4/5 of the top radio shows are Republicones, the "fair and balanced" Fox News channel portrays Bush/Republicans positive as fuck, Bill O'Reilly, the "independent" with the largest audience of any political commentator, is basically a Republican...there is not *one* opinion show by a progressive/democrat on TV, and Americans honestly think they get a fair, even shake when it comes to news.

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That is what really pisses me off about news networks and the media. Fox news claims to be ''fair and balanced" but they only have one liberal commentator that I know of (Alan Colmes). Conservatives also have the nerve to say that the media portrays Bush and his policies in a bad light, for instance the Abu Ghraib scandal, WAS THAT NOT A FUCKING BIG STORY??? They also complain about Air America radio a liberal radio station that only plays in 10-12 cities natiowide.

Conservatives dominate about all media outlets, lol except the New York Times

All I'm saying is why can't people like Al Franken, Michael Moore, and other left wingers portray their ideas and opinions, I'm not sayin you have to agree, but atleast get shows on the other side of the spectrum.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Hilarious Comic...The LIBERAL MEDIA

Haha.

 

[THA RIPPA]

That 4th box....keep in mind the way that taxes are paid are pretty disproportionate right now....it would only seem the tax cuts would reflect that as well.

 

[tadou]

"They also complain about Air America radio a liberal radio station that only plays in 10-12 cities natiowide" --- Do you even listen to their story behind this, or are you just regurgitate it with your Liberal spin?

Air America has gotten SEVERAL front page stories in the New York times, and its ratings are dismal.....the O'Reilly factor is #1 and has gotten ZERO front page stories.....how do you explain that besides NYT and the Liberal media propping up and supporting Air America?

 

[tadou]

All I'm saying is why can't people like Al Franken, Michael Moore, and other left wingers portray their ideas and opinions, I'm not sayin you have to agree, but atleast get shows on the other side of the spectrum.

Because these people, flat-out, are not liked. They're like the political version of a whore. Fun to use here and there...but not someone you want for the long haul. They dont have staying power.

Not to mention, 95% of every one of their shows would be: Bush, FNC, CFR, Cheney, Halliburton, Ashcroft, PATRIOT Act, Limbaugh, blah blah blah

 

[Mcleanhatch]

Look at the major news outlets: 4/5 of the top radio shows are Republicones.

and why is that???? maybe because people are interested to and want to listen to them.

1. Rush Limbaugh
2. Sean Hannity
3. Dr. Laura
4. Howard Stern
5. Michael Savage

there is not *one* opinion show by a progressive/democrat on TV, and Americans honestly think they get a fair, even shake when it comes to news.

Hannity and Colmes (FOX)
Crossfire (CNN)
News Watch (FOX)
Keith Olberman (MSNBC)
O'Donnell (MSNBC)
HardBall (MSNBC)
Larry King (CNN)

 

[THA RIPPA]

is Dr. Laura really that much of a republican? I havent listened to her show before, but from what ive heard, shes more of a conservative Dear Abby type person.