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HERESY

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EDJ said:
"IF JESUS WAS/IS REAL HE WOULD EITHER MBE GOD OR MADMAN. "

I DISAgREE. IF JESUS IS REAL HE WOULD BE THE "SON" OF
(gOD).

ATTRIBUTES GIVEN TO YHWH AND YESHUA

1.CREATOR

2.JUDGE

3.OMNISCIENT

4.IMMUTABLE

5.OMNIPRESENT

6.OMNIPOTENT

7.ETERNAL EXISTENCE

8.WORSHIPPED


for jesus to make the claim that he is alpha and omega what does that mean?

for jesus to make the claim that he is I AM what does that mean?

john 1:1-16?


madman or GOD

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IF JESUS IS (gOD), THEN WHY DID (gOD) SENT JESUS TO EARTH? IF HE CAN DO N-ETHANg, WHY gO THRU THE HOOPLA OF BECOMIN' HUMAN AND BEIN' TORTURED IF YOU KNOWIN' THE OUTCOME OF DOIN' THAT? IF JESUS IS (gOD) THEN HOW COULD THE DEVIL TEMPT (gOD) EARTHLY KINgDOMS IF HE JOINED HIM? WHY WAS JESUS LOOKIN' UP IN THE SKY AFTER HE WAS BAPTIZED? WAS HE TALKIN' TO HIMSELF? PRAISIN' HIMSELF? JESUS IS A gOD JUST LIKE THE DEVIL IS ONE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS JESUS IS REFFERRED TO THEM TITLES.
 

HERESY

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IF JESUS IS (gOD), THEN WHY DID (gOD) SENT JESUS TO EARTH?
john 1:1-16.

to reconcile man with YHWH.

Psalm 50:3-5
IF HE CAN DO N-ETHANg, WHY gO THRU THE HOOPLA OF BECOMIN' HUMAN AND BEIN' TORTURED IF YOU KNOWIN' THE OUTCOME OF DOIN' THAT?
if you have a son and you want him to not STEAL and grow into a life of crime. what must you do? LEAD BY EXAMPLE.
IF JESUS IS (gOD) THEN HOW COULD THE DEVIL TEMPT (gOD) EARTHLY KINgDOMS IF HE JOINED HIM?
i dont understand what you are asking.

WHY WAS JESUS LOOKIN' UP IN THE SKY AFTER HE WAS BAPTIZED?
where is that in scripture?

WAS HE TALKIN' TO HIMSELF? PRAISIN' HIMSELF?
was YHWH talking to himself when he said *GENESIS 1:26*?
JESUS IS A gOD JUST LIKE THE DEVIL IS ONE
THE DEVIL OR EL SHATAN IS CALLED GOD OF THIS WORLD. HE WAS *RANK*. HE DOES NOT POSSESS ALL THE ATTRIBUTES OF *YHWH*.


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ah, the neoplatonisms flare.
God/Devil the same person the same thing the same game reiterated. . .thesis / antithesis.

Jesus is not god, if he was he would be a blasphemer and a liar.
(prince of peace vs. man of war : son of his father/ lover of his mother/ father of himself / father of his mother : worshipped a higher god, never sought worship, will be at the right hand of himself?)

he is "theologically speaking" an agent thereof or a manifestation. no individual entity can be the all encompassing without the manifestation being inextricably linked to the all encompassing thereby confessing (theologically speaking) that spirit and flesh are of and on equal pains. hence my conclusion "theologically speaking" that we are gods; fragments of a whole.

i can, with the bible prove that jesus is neither god or the son of god, or in fact the result of prophecy. but what would be the fun in that. believers believe. (on the other hand i can just as equally prove he is all the above, but as i said before whats the fun in that :) ).

speak on reincarnation :h:
 

HERESY

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Jesus is not god, if he was he would be a blasphemer and a liar.
FOR HIM TO SAY HE IS ALPHA OMEGA OR I AM MEANS WHAT?

THE JEWS KNEW WHAT HE WAS IMPLYING. WHICH IS WHY THEY TRIED TO KILL HIM ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.
(prince of peace vs. man of war : son of his father/ lover of his mother/ father of himself / father of his mother : worshipped a higher god, never sought worship, will be at the right hand of himself?)
PRINCE OF PEACE AND MAN OF WAR. WHEN HE SAID I COME WITH A SWORD AND I DIDNT COME TO BRING PEACE IT WASNT "PHYSICAL" WAR OR "PEACE" HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. EVERYTHING ELSE YOU SAID MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AT THIS TIME.

YHWH IS *NOT* YESHUA. YESHUA IS *NOT* YHWH. GOD=A *TITLE*. A POSITION, A RANK AN OFFICE.
he is "theologically speaking" an agent thereof or a manifestation. no individual entity can be the all encompassing without the manifestation being inextricably linked to the all encompassing thereby confessing (theologically speaking) that spirit and flesh are of and on equal pains. hence my conclusion "theologically speaking" that we are gods; fragments of a whole.
DO YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SPEAK A WORLD INTO EXISTENCE (IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT A GOD CAN DO?) HOWEVER I DO AGREE WITH SOME OF THAT.

i can, with the bible prove that jesus is neither god or the son of god, or in fact the result of prophecy.
COULD......... SHOULD.......WOULD..........

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. MIGHT PROVIDE ME WITH SOME LAUGHTER (MOST OF THE POSTS HERE DO THAT).
but what would be the fun in that. believers believe. (on the other hand i can just as equally prove he is all the above, but as i said before whats the fun in that ).
WHY MENTION WHAT YOU "COULD" DO??????
speak on reincarnation :h:
ACCORDING TO WHAT CULTURE OR RELIGION??????


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Matter can neither be created nor destroyed? I agree.

But when it comes to the "spirit" or "will" I believe that it can be created and destroyed by who created it.

It's that who salted the salt parable in the Bible. Why is salt salty? Cuz God said, "THIS is salty". Now you can come at me with the "we are gods" theory by saying well if I say salt tastes like sour and I convince myself that it tastes like sour then salt isn't salty anymore. But then of course I'd think you'd spent too many days kickin it with satan cuz you startin to talk jus like him. God is Order. And you fuckin it up by tryin to not listen to Him. Your playin with stuff like a lil kid who don't listen to his parents. Your parents say, "don't drink drano cuz that shit'll kill your ass". Now even if you convinced yourself that drano tastes like cherry kool-aid. You still gonna die. Why? Cuz God said, "the chemicals in drano will kill your ass if you drink them." And all the scientists and chemical people in the world will agree with me on that one.

When Jesus said He is alpha and omega the first and the last that's what He meant. He is everything. Or He can be anything. BUT He's always good. He is your King and He is your fellow servant. Cuz that's what a real king is. He can guide you and do anything you ask of Him as long as it's good dammit! I do believe He is Gods son tho, that's where He gets His answers and guidance. In the Bible I think it says something like the Spirit of God is WITH Him, or rests on Him, or somethin like that.

God gives life and God can take it away. Believe dat!

"Cuz I am, whatever you say I am/ If I wasn't, then would I say I am/ In the papers the news, everyday I am/ I don't know that's just the way I am/" -Eminem/Slim Shady
 
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@heresy you still are my favorite. intelligent but dellusional. but then again we all have our vices :) . im waitin for you to see the light beyond the flashlight.

@ender
XianeX <-- even the name is a paradox/irony/contradiction. 'tis a beautiful thing. maybe ive spent too many days with satan. in general on these religious posts i play the devils advocate which is one of my niccnames any way. but consider this. i dont believe in corpral deities. i see god in in and as everything that has life.
i believe god is us. we are the "big bang" we are evolution and the products thereof. there is more to life than this incarnation.

one of the things that individuals such as heresy profess but fail to realize that we ALL are gods, we ALL are christ, we ALL are jesus, jesus spoke of our equality so did david and solomon. but things such as this is masked by heresy's incessant bitterness and paranoia.

call me athiest/agnostic/ or pantheistic. ultimately one thing is true. the bible is AN answer. but its not THE answer.

excuse my hindi/buddhist way of looking at the world. but that my opinion.

"do not worship any god that i have not shown you this day"
~God Torah~ jesus is not deity occording to even the old testament
 

HERESY

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one of the things that individuals such as heresy profess but fail to realize that we ALL are gods, we ALL are christ, we ALL are jesus, jesus spoke of our equality so did david and solomon. but things such as this is masked by heresy's incessant bitterness and paranoia.
BITTERNESS DIRECTED AT WHO? PARANOID OF WHAT? PLEASE EXPLAIN.


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
:rolleyes:

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@heresy
i never stated a direction @ bitterness. but its obvious at what it is.
maybe fatalistic would be a better description than paranoid.

but i see you failed to dispute my torah paraphrase. if you read it you couldnt dispute it if you believe the bible and that it is infallible and if you can read hebrew and can interpret the words as they really are.

like i said if i wished i could descimate any christic doctrine with its book. but whats the fun in that. believers believe.

zzzz all you want folks. but thats all youre doin. youre blinded by the light. you see what you wanna see and think that youre absolutely correct. youve studied all the shit that you have and missed the game behind it all.

game brings game and recognizes it. the shit you speak on is way over your head and if you knew the TRUE truth about it youd feel ridiculous. how do you think its so easy for me to toy with you. i bet you there's not one cat on this board that can provoke you more than me.

dude if you were as deep as you proclaim to be youd be the first to treat the things speak so dearly about as a farce.

on the real you try to infect these other cats with the same delusion you have, remember youre the son of god and he talks to you. if youre the son of god im satan incarnate your antithesis. see me :) . basically all the shit you speak is hoorah and i side step it like judo. if you spoke to god why didnt he tell you about me. :)

like i said before i dig you, you remind me of me circa 97. one day youll wake up and the zzzzzzzzzzz will go away.

much . . .
 

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i never stated a direction @ bitterness. but its obvious at what it is.
its obvious at what it is based on what? my words? do you know me? you know what pushes me and gets me going? im sitting here LAUGHING at what you are typing boy. not getting upset. keep that in mind.

maybe fatalistic would be a better description than paranoid.
better choice of words. make sure you know what you want to say next time.

but i see you failed to dispute my torah paraphrase.
fail to dispute? or fail to mention that you dont know what you are talking about and most likely never will (refer to the COPTIC incident).......did you even ASK me to address it?
"do not worship any god that i have not shown you this day"
which version of the torah did it come from,what verse? how is it relevent to a "jesus"?

all you did was throw out a verse boy. nothing more.

if you read it you couldnt dispute it if you believe the bible and that it is infallible and if you can read hebrew and can interpret the words as they really are.
im very familiar with the language man (LOL)............DO YOU WANT ME TO START MAKING ALL MY POSTS IN HEBREW? WILL THAT SATISFY YOU?

like i said if i wished i could descimate any christic doctrine with its book. but whats the fun in that. believers believe.
all bite no bark. i have shut you down MANY times on this site and you knwo what it gets kind of old man. seriously it does.

zzzz all you want folks. but thats all youre doin. youre blinded by the light. you see what you wanna see and think that youre absolutely correct. youve studied all the shit that you have and missed the game behind it all.
no game behind *any* of it mr.coptic original. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

game brings game and recognizes it. the shit you speak on is way over your head and if you knew the TRUE truth about it youd feel ridiculous. how do you think its so easy for me to toy with you. i bet you there's not one cat on this board that can provoke you more than me.
do you realize that i LAUGH at you? do you realize that YOU have gone back and have made corrections and clarifications in YOUR replies.

mr.coptic (one of many things i have called you on).

so you are saying things to throw people off on purpose(being deceitful and a liar) or are you really misinformed (you have done this on several occasions).

you DONT provoke me. provoke me to what? wrath? anger? hate? malice? spite? what have you provoked me to do? share? study? educate?


you have NO power over me. i can show you by simply placing you on the IGNORE list. or by not reading anything you type......
dude if you were as deep as you proclaim to be youd be the first to treat the things speak so dearly about as a farce
??????????? why must i be the first? a soft voice turns away anger and a still toungue makes a wise head. if i need to speak i will. if i dont i wont. i dont have to do it to prove it to YOU. see your method is old. you want to know what i know and why why why??????? but guess what........i wont play into your hands chipper.
on the real you try to infect these other cats with the same delusion you have, remember youre the son of god and he talks to you. if youre the son of god im satan incarnate your antithesis. see me . basically all the shit you speak is hoorah and i side step it like judo. if you spoke to god why didnt he tell you about me.
lol@your challenge..............what madness coming from mr coptic. coming from the person who ADMITTEDED that they lied and tried to confuse people (when i first came on). not to mention your other mishaps,twist ups and references that didnt mean anything.


why should god tell you about me? i dont think you matter in the grand scheme of things.


your entire post=bait him in so i can argue with him. bait him in so we can discuss nonsense. get heresy to reply to madness and throw the thread off.

naw man.

not this time junior.





:confused:


:H:


ps check your past threads/posts mr original coptic.
 
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"(prince of peace vs. man of war : son of his father/ lover of his mother/ father of himself / father of his mother : worshipped a higher god, never sought worship, will be at the right hand of himself?)"
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Heresy, I would advise not falling for his trap. I know for a fact that he himself doesn't believe half those arguments he presented above. In fact way back in the day i distinctly remember him using the first one, the "prince of peace vs. man of war" argument and then him finally admitting that he just wanted to see what I knew. His tactic has 2 goals and because of the goals purpose, he can't lose in his mind. His goals are this......Get you to waste your time, because he finds it 'funny' that some people actually like to educate and not let people run around telling misinformation. His other goal is to spread 'educated lies' (by educated lies I mean information that seems to hold truth at first glance if the subject is not fully understood by the one reading it) and 99% of the time it has to do with 'Jesus' or the 'Bible'. You see, if he fails his second goal because someone steps up and breaks down his flawed interpretations then he accomplished his 1st goal. However, if he fails his first goal because people have gotten tired of taking there time to break him down then he accomplished his second goal of spreading his lies.
 
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prove to me that the original wasnt in coptic. you cant.
aramaic was the language spoken, greek is "probable" language but jesus is said to be to and from egypt, at the time coptic was popular. how and why would the gospel be written in greek??? illogical especially considering that the first complete retrieved copy was in coptic??? considering the romans RAPED alexandria of its library and information. dont be stupid.

"maybe fatalistic"

not provoked but you chose to now call me childish names? contradictory. . .yes

you are very presumptuous. i never gave any of those discriptions but if the shoe fits. . .

i might just bite if i do you wont be able to take it.

you say no game, showing your true ignorance, you read me out of context ms coptic

your ego is unbecoming. i dont want to know anything it was a rhetorical question.

do you realize that i havent. not for you i havent. dont flatter yourself

XianeX = He-man quote
do what you will it will not disuade me. you are still a cult leader and a fraud although you call me a liar. my lies are only for you. youre the only one who pays attention undoubtly i target my words well.

that verse PROVES that jesus never was is or will be god.
you say that youre the son of god and that he talks to you why didnt he inform you of this.

no argument you started with me. fucc off i wasnt speaking to you. but now i am. jesus is not god and you are not the son of god. get a grip.

@htb im glad youve joined the heresy cult for lunatics. go drink holy poisoned piss choke and die. once a peanut always a peanut. i didnt start shit with him he took my words personal so he squirts his mouth off. when grown folk is talkin shut the fucc up.


much. . .

pleasure mi mucho. youre still a pion
 

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Hit The Blunt said:
"(prince of peace vs. man of war : son of his father/ lover of his mother/ father of himself / father of his mother : worshipped a higher god, never sought worship, will be at the right hand of himself?)"
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Heresy, I would advise not falling for his trap. I know for a fact that he himself doesn't believe half those arguments he presented above. In fact way back in the day i distinctly remember him using the first one, the "prince of peace vs. man of war" argument and then him finally admitting that he just wanted to see what I knew. His tactic has 2 goals and because of the goals purpose, he can't lose in his mind. His goals are this......Get you to waste your time, because he finds it 'funny' that some people actually like to educate and not let people run around telling misinformation. His other goal is to spread 'educated lies' (by educated lies I mean information that seems to hold truth at first glance if the subject is not fully understood by the one reading it) and 99% of the time it has to do with 'Jesus' or the 'Bible'. You see, if he fails his second goal because someone steps up and breaks down his flawed interpretations then he accomplished his 1st goal. However, if he fails his first goal because people have gotten tired of taking there time to break him down then he accomplished his second goal of spreading his lies.
YEAH THATS EXACTLY WHAT HE DOES. I THINK HE SHOULD SPEND HIS TIME DOING OTHER THINGS.......MAINLY PLAYING PLAY STATION 2 OR SOMETHING.

HIS WHOLE THING IS TO TRY TO GET INSIDE YOUR HEAD AND PEEL YOUR KNOWLEDGE. SO HE CAN GO AROUND HIS CRUMMY BUDDIES AND MAKE THEM FEEL DUMB (WHILE MAKING HIMSELF SEEM EDUCATED).

LETS TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF HIS MADNESS.
prove to me that the original wasnt in coptic. you cant.
THIS IS THE ****SAME**** GUY WHO SAID THAT THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS WAS WRITTEN IN "COPTIC". I GAVE HIM 4 LINKS (WHEN HE SAID THIS) TO PROVE THAT THE COPTIC IS A "TRANSLATION" FROM THE GREEK SCRIPTURES.


SEE WHAT I MEAN? "PROVE TO ME"<-----------ROFLMAO!!!!!!


HE GOES ON TO CALL ME CHILDESH YET HE ASKED ME IN PRIVATE MESSAGE TO RESPOND TO THIS THREAD. WHEN I DID RESPOND CHECK HIS RESPONSES.


HE ALSO SAYS THAT



game brings game and recognizes it. the shit you speak on is way over your head and if you knew the TRUE truth about it youd feel ridiculous.
THIS IS THE SAME PERSON THAT SAID THE "ORIGINAL" VERSION OF THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS WAS WRITTEN IN A COPTIC LANGUAGE. ITS A KNOWN FACT THAT IT WASNT. IF THIS GUY MADE THAT STATEMENT AROUND THEOLOGIANS HE WOULD BE STONED OR LAUGHED OUT OF TOWN. WHAT I SPEAK IS WAY OVER MY HEAD BUT HERE BUDDY

http://www.ancientscripts.com/coptic.html
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/coptic.htm
http://hometown.aol.com/ibss3/gospels.html


ENJOY THE HISTORY LESSON.

XianeX = He-man quote do what you will it will not disuade me. you are still a cult leader and a fraud although you call me a liar. my lies are only for you. youre the only one who pays attention undoubtly i target my words well.
DO YOU SEE THAT BLUNT? THIS GUY WANTS MY ATTENTION SO MUCH THAT HE HAS TO *LIE* TO KICK IT........HOW SAD........I MEAN I KNOW HE IS PROBABLY LONELY AND GETS BEAT UP AT SCHOOL (AND POSSIBLY HAS ALL HIS LIFE) BUT HIS ACTIONS ARE UNCALLED FOR.

how do you think its so easy for me to toy with you.
THIS GUY IS MY "PAVLOV" BLUNT. I PULL HIS STRINGS. HE THINKS HE IS SIGNIFICANT.........HOW SAD.......


TO CAP IT OFF THE GUY SAYS THINGS LIKE THIS IN HIS PREVIOUS POST:

i bet you there's not one cat on this board that can provoke you more than me.
HE TALKS ABOUT PROVOKING ME BUT LOOK AT HIS RECENT STATEMENTS:

no argument you started with me. fucc off i wasnt speaking to you. but now i am.
@htb im glad youve joined the heresy cult for lunatics. go drink holy poisoned piss choke and die. once a peanut always a peanut. i didnt start shit with him he took my words personal so he squirts his mouth off. when grown folk is talkin shut the fucc up.
ROFLMAO

HE SAYS ALL THAT YET HE IS TOYING WITH ME......THIS IS COMING FROM THE SAME PERSON THAT SAID THE COPTIC VERSIONS ARE ORIGINAL AND NOT GREEK (COPTIC IS DERIVED FROM GREEK ALPHABET/ CHARACTERS YOU DUMMY). THE SAME PERSON THAT ADMITS THAT HE IS A LIAR (WHAT AN IMBECILE)........HE SAYS I STARTED WITH HIM (IS IT BECAUSE I ASKED YOU TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF SO I CAN LAUGH)


:confused:


BLUNT THIS GUY WILL SOON BE ON MY IGNORE LIST. I WONT *EVER* HAVE TO READ ONE OF HIS SILLY POSTS AGAIN......


LOL..........


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lovely @ a last word ultimately peep beautiful game. i dont discuss stupid religious things past the siccness. fucc an ignore list youll still find out what i say. i dont have buddies that waste their time with minial concepts like god/jesus and etcetra. children who still succle the tit of religion regard that shit highly.

just like im a liar so are you "son of god" just because you got data doesnt mean that you are even close to being illustrious. all you jim jones aka heresy believers follow his foolishness. believe in his conspiracy theories and be afraid of organizations that mean you NO HARM. secrets are kept to keep the foolish OUT. people like heresy that spout off about shit that they can never be a part of and is mad that he'll never in life be close to that kind of power.

all your links are worthless all those that say greek say PROBABLY. links aint proof. links are facts. facts arent ALWAYS accurate youd think youd know that from the way i manipulate words that you chase down to try and wrong me on. you wish to be right i never do. my point is not to be right but to show the worthlessness of your knowledge. enjoy your shallow victories.
you are still a pion

you are very presumptuous. if i saw you personally i would tell you the same shit with a smile on my face shaking my head enjoying how even though you said i was on your ignore list you still read my post and decided to post 3 responses to me.

hate if you wish. your knowledge is worthless in the REAL world.

marinate in the cum of your own ego, you'll always hear me.

coptic IS the original. deal with it. fucc theology :)