Proof that Jesus Existed!!??
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mother teresa lived as well. that doesnt prove that shes accomplished the prerequisites of being a saint.
existence does not prove supernatural ability.
i existed before this incarnation as well as you and everybody else in this world. what makes anyone in this incarnation special in the grand scheme of the universe.
deity is a delusion
deism should only be held as a personal philosophy.
existence does not prove supernatural ability.
i existed before this incarnation as well as you and everybody else in this world. what makes anyone in this incarnation special in the grand scheme of the universe.
deity is a delusion
deism should only be held as a personal philosophy.
whats totally unsubstatiated?
fact is no matter or energy is created or destroyed it just changes incarnation (look it up) or is redirected.
LAW OF CONSERVATION OF MATTER AND ENERGY. this is science and PROVEN fact. now its your turn to unsubstantiate it
@pitty i never insinuated that she deserved or didnt deserve anything. my point was that just because a person lived and is attributed to doing seemingly wonderful things doesnt mean that they had supernatural powers.
fact is no matter or energy is created or destroyed it just changes incarnation (look it up) or is redirected.
LAW OF CONSERVATION OF MATTER AND ENERGY. this is science and PROVEN fact. now its your turn to unsubstantiate it
@pitty i never insinuated that she deserved or didnt deserve anything. my point was that just because a person lived and is attributed to doing seemingly wonderful things doesnt mean that they had supernatural powers.
yes, thats right, matter cannot be created nor destroyed but science cannot back up by facts that things or spirits are reincarnated.
and if i remember correctly matter can be destroyed though fission reaction in which the matter isnt really destroyed but instead turned into enery.
ex. creamation of a human body turns the body into ashes which is far less matter than the original human body yet the matter wasnt destroyed because most of the matter went into the air in the form of heat or energy while it got burned. now those are the kind of facts i believe you were talking about.
but that had nothing to do with a person dying and coming back to life as another is what i was trying to say.
and if i remember correctly matter can be destroyed though fission reaction in which the matter isnt really destroyed but instead turned into enery.
ex. creamation of a human body turns the body into ashes which is far less matter than the original human body yet the matter wasnt destroyed because most of the matter went into the air in the form of heat or energy while it got burned. now those are the kind of facts i believe you were talking about.
but that had nothing to do with a person dying and coming back to life as another is what i was trying to say.
Jesus existed. Here is historical proof that I copied off another website:
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
Josephus, Jewish Antiquities, 18, 3, 3
Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities.
Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius.
Tacitus Annals 15:44
There are a couple more pieces of historical texts that briefly mention Jesus like these ones. Jesus did really exist and the stories about him in the Gospels have to hold some truth to them. After all, some of them are mentioned in the first three very similarly. Whether he performed those miracles is a matter of belief. His miracles and wise teaching are what gathered the huge following.
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
Josephus, Jewish Antiquities, 18, 3, 3
Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities.
Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius.
Tacitus Annals 15:44
There are a couple more pieces of historical texts that briefly mention Jesus like these ones. Jesus did really exist and the stories about him in the Gospels have to hold some truth to them. After all, some of them are mentioned in the first three very similarly. Whether he performed those miracles is a matter of belief. His miracles and wise teaching are what gathered the huge following.
@pitty you missed the point completely, nevermind.
@mc
i never said anything about spirits or reincarnation.
i said incarnation. you inferred from my use of the word i was speaking from a westernized understanding of a hindu perspective. the word incarnation has more than one meaning. the definition i was using was the one about form/shape.
I dont believe in "Death" in the typical sense but only of incarnations. forms die consistantly. but the will within the form continues until it assumes or is consumed by another form and then it is reiterated. I liken life to a tornado, a causality loop that fragily exists strongly
If you mean reincarnation from that sense that is perfectly factual and scientific as well. even by medical definition "Death" is only a fifth stage coma. in otherwords the will of existence vacated an incarnation
i.e.
I am not who/what ive been. nor will i ever be again what i am today. but i exist. I am. when this incarnation loses its usefulness in the grand scheme of the universe i will still be an agent thereof as always; waiting for my next iteration
to believe that i'll return to this world with any cognition of a previous life or any foolishness like that would be ridiculous.
my definition of "spirit" is will or motivation.
excuse my rant.
where's heresy when you need him. id like to hear his perspective on all this
@mc
i never said anything about spirits or reincarnation.
i said incarnation. you inferred from my use of the word i was speaking from a westernized understanding of a hindu perspective. the word incarnation has more than one meaning. the definition i was using was the one about form/shape.
I dont believe in "Death" in the typical sense but only of incarnations. forms die consistantly. but the will within the form continues until it assumes or is consumed by another form and then it is reiterated. I liken life to a tornado, a causality loop that fragily exists strongly
If you mean reincarnation from that sense that is perfectly factual and scientific as well. even by medical definition "Death" is only a fifth stage coma. in otherwords the will of existence vacated an incarnation
i.e.
I am not who/what ive been. nor will i ever be again what i am today. but i exist. I am. when this incarnation loses its usefulness in the grand scheme of the universe i will still be an agent thereof as always; waiting for my next iteration
to believe that i'll return to this world with any cognition of a previous life or any foolishness like that would be ridiculous.
my definition of "spirit" is will or motivation.
excuse my rant.
where's heresy when you need him. id like to hear his perspective on all this
IN REGARDS TO THIS "JESUS" FELLOW......MANY PEOPLE HAVE CLAIMED TO BE SONS OF A GOD (MOST OF THE TIME IT WAS SON OF THE SUN GOD). HOWEVER I HAVE *NEVER* CAME ACROSS *ANY* PERSON CLAIMING TO BE THE "MESHIACH" BEFORE YESHUA (JESUS).
SO THAT BRINGS US TO THIS POINT. *IF* HE WAS WHO HE SAID HE WAS AND HE FULFILLS PROPHECY (ESCHATOLOGY STUDENTS GET YOUR BOOKS) HOW WOULD IT BE IMPOSSIBLE/NOT LOGICAL FOR HIM TO HAVE DONE THE THINGS ASCRIBED TO HIM?
We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:12-14)
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. (Colossians 2:8-10)
Micah 5:2
Malachi 3:1-2
Romans 9:6
ATTRIBUTES GIVEN TO YHWH AND YESHUA
1.CREATOR
2.JUDGE
3.OMNISCIENT
4.IMMUTABLE
5.OMNIPRESENT
6.OMNIPOTENT
7.ETERNAL EXISTENCE
8.WORSHIPPED
IF THE PERSON IN QUESTION EXISTED (ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES) HE WOULD EITHER BE A LUNATIC OR HE WOULD BE WHO HE CLAIMED TO BE. THE CHANCES OF ONE BEING FULFILLING *ALL* THE PROPHECIES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.
http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_01_01.html
IF JESUS WAS/IS REAL HE WOULD EITHER MBE GOD OR MADMAN.
IF JESUS WAS NOT REAL HE IS A GREAT STORY BOOK HERO WHO MILLIONS HAVE DIED FOR. A FIGMENT OF SOMEONES IMAGINATION THAT HAS CARRIED ON FOR OVER 2000 YEARS. THE GREATEST HOAX TO MANKIND AND CURSE TO HUMANITY......
THE CHOICE IS YOURS. WHO WAS HE? WHAT WAS HE?
NEXT REPLY WILL BE ABOUT INCARNATION/REINCARNATION.
:h:
SO THAT BRINGS US TO THIS POINT. *IF* HE WAS WHO HE SAID HE WAS AND HE FULFILLS PROPHECY (ESCHATOLOGY STUDENTS GET YOUR BOOKS) HOW WOULD IT BE IMPOSSIBLE/NOT LOGICAL FOR HIM TO HAVE DONE THE THINGS ASCRIBED TO HIM?
We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:12-14)
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. (Colossians 2:8-10)
Micah 5:2
Malachi 3:1-2
Romans 9:6
ATTRIBUTES GIVEN TO YHWH AND YESHUA
1.CREATOR
2.JUDGE
3.OMNISCIENT
4.IMMUTABLE
5.OMNIPRESENT
6.OMNIPOTENT
7.ETERNAL EXISTENCE
8.WORSHIPPED
IF THE PERSON IN QUESTION EXISTED (ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES) HE WOULD EITHER BE A LUNATIC OR HE WOULD BE WHO HE CLAIMED TO BE. THE CHANCES OF ONE BEING FULFILLING *ALL* THE PROPHECIES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.
http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_01_01.html
IF JESUS WAS/IS REAL HE WOULD EITHER MBE GOD OR MADMAN.
IF JESUS WAS NOT REAL HE IS A GREAT STORY BOOK HERO WHO MILLIONS HAVE DIED FOR. A FIGMENT OF SOMEONES IMAGINATION THAT HAS CARRIED ON FOR OVER 2000 YEARS. THE GREATEST HOAX TO MANKIND AND CURSE TO HUMANITY......
THE CHOICE IS YOURS. WHO WAS HE? WHAT WAS HE?
NEXT REPLY WILL BE ABOUT INCARNATION/REINCARNATION.
:h:
