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no I'm not saying that we should do it to a race or a class. But what good is happening when ppl are just making kids that are going straight into foster care?
 
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true I know some can be reversed though.
Plus if they have truely changed then they can try being parents to the ones they already had, I think they should do that first.
 
Oct 28, 2005
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2-0-Sixx said:
Let's be fair tadou

(world map)
This is true. But if i might point out: Abortion is illegal in Mexico, and I am sure it is illegal in other Latin-American countries as well, which is why they are either Blue or White.

As a whole, Poor people get more abortions. This is just the way it is. Maybe its because they get pregnant more often or whatever, I don't know. But they get more abortions.
 
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Perfect example: http://www.india4world.com/indian-law/Lawfullness.shtml

" Lawfullness

Majority of the people believe that abortion is illegal in India, but in special circumstances when the woman doesn’t really have a choice abortion is allowed."


This site is meant to clear up myths, but the basic idea is there. Abortion is the exception and not the rule. If it was in fact the rule, the numbers of legal abortions would be flat-out ASTOUNDING.
 
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Dirty Shoez said:
As a whole, Poor people get more abortions. This is just the way it is. Maybe its because they get pregnant more often or whatever, I don't know. But they get more abortions.
I personally think its because they are generally less educated. Generally the poor are less educated, I'm not sure who to blame there but if they are undereducated they aren't as well informed about sex and the responisbilities.

No offense but I don't think sex ed or health class from the public schools are enough, It takes more parental influence IMO
 
Jun 27, 2003
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Poorer people get less, not more abortions, than the upper and middle class. In fact, the poorer and less educated you are, the more children you will have.
please provide some numbers that show where you're getting this "fact" from..?
 
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I’m not sure who has more abortions. On one hand it would seem that poor people, who cannot afford to raise children, would have more abortions since the upper classes could afford to raise a family. On the other hand, it does seem people in poor communities, especially the southern states (not too mention India and Africa.), are the ones who have very large families. I also know that the abortion clinics are not available in the majority of poor communities in the U.S, thus making it very difficult for poor women to have access (87% of U.S. counties do not have a single abortion provider).

I’d also like to point out that the Russia map may be misleading- there are a number of reasons why Russia has the most abortions in the world besides wealth, such as abortion clinics are available just about everywhere in Russia and abortion is generally viewed as a simple and normal procedure and has very little, if any, controversy, a view that is entirely different than Christian U.S.A.

It doesn’t really matter to me. I think there should be more abortions, regardless of class and should be available to every woman in every country. Illegalizing abortion will not stop abortion. In the US, when it was illegal, an estimated 1 million annual abortion occurred and somewhere between 5,000 to 10,000 women died every year from these unsafe, back ally, illegal abortions and I’m sure this is the case for every single country in the world that has outlawed abortion. Having a baby is one of the most selfish acts one can do, especially if you’re poor and cannot raise that baby properly. But its also the responsibility of the state to provide safe abortions to all women.
 
May 9, 2002
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Why do yall think cigarettes and liquor are perfectly legal and weed aint???

How many people die every year from lung cancer and other smoking related diseases and car accidents or other alcohol related incidents??

The government knows these things,yet they make SO much money off of them...PLUS they kill 100s of 1000s of people a year...its 2 birds with one stone!!!!
 
Oct 28, 2005
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I'm telling you: The Left is trying to keep population numbers low. You're running around supporting Leftie candidates, and they're the #1 reason Weed isn't legal yet. Once weed is legal, people WILL stop smoking cigarettes, and those thousands of people won't die every year.

I should see if i can recruit the master on this subject from another board. The man is insane when it comes to this shit. I have never seen him be overcome. Imagine Hatch on steroids.
 
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Dirty Shoez said:
I'm telling you: The Left is trying to keep population numbers low. You're running around supporting Leftie candidates, and they're the #1 reason Weed isn't legal yet. Once weed is legal, people WILL stop smoking cigarettes, and those thousands of people won't die every year.

I should see if i can recruit the master on this subject from another board. The man is insane when it comes to this shit. I have never seen him be overcome. Imagine Hatch on steroids.

I think the issue has more to do with the tobacco companies' lobbying power as opposed to some leftist conspiracy to keep the population numbers low.
 
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And that, my friend, is where the phrase "in bed with" comes in. Big Tobacco and the Democrats are just as much in bed with each other as Big Tobacco and the Republicans--the latter for money, and the former for ulterior, arguably more sinister motives.
 
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Jae, the fact that poorer and less educated people have more children in America has been true since the early 60's.

The more educated or rich you become, the less children you have. The authors of the Bell Curve pointed to this as what they called "the disastrous dysgenic effect". In fact, the average amount of children a woman holding a college degree has is 0.8, where the average amount of children a high school graduate or below will have is 2.1.
 
Dec 25, 2003
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Actually those were older stats.

Here is a 1997 study by the CDC.



[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]National Center for Health Statistics
Mother's Educational Level Influences Birth Rate
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]For Immediate Release: April 24, 1997[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Birth and Fertility Rates by Educational Attainment: United States, 1994. Vol. 45 No. 10 supplement. 20 pp. (PHS) 97-1120
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]A women's educational level is the best predictor of how many children she will have, according to a new study from the National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The study, based on an analysis of 1994 birth certificates, found a direct relationship between years of education and birth rates, with the highest birth rates among women with the lowest educational attainment.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Birth rate patterns also vary greatly by mothers age. Among women in their twenties - the peak childbearing ages - and women in their forties, birth rates are highest for women with the least education. For women with college degrees, rates are highest for those in their early thirties, perhaps signaling the preferred time for childbearing by this group. First birth rates for women in their thirties with a college degree were two to five times the first birth rates for women with less education.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Birth rates also vary by race and ethnicity. Birth rates for Hispanic women are higher than rates for either non-Hispanic black women or non-Hispanic white women in every educational attainment category. The disparity is particularly evident for birth rates for women with less than a high school education.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Educational attainment is a very critical factor in accounting for lifetime fertility differentials. Women with 1 or more years of college have sharply lower lifetime fertility than less educated women, regardless of race or Hispanic origin. Women with college degrees can be expected to complete their childbearing with 1.6-2.0 children each; 1.7 for non-Hispanic white, 1.6 for non-Hispanic black, and 2.0 for Hispanic women. For women with less education the total expected number of children are: 3.2 children for those with 0-8 years of education; 2.3 children for those with 9-11 years of education and 2.7 for high school graduates.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Among unmarried mothers age 25 and older only nine percent had college degrees; about a third has less than a high school education. Birth rates for college-educated unmarried women are substantially below the rates for less-educated unmarried women.[/font]

A different fact set, completely, from my previously stated one, but the essentials still hold true.
 
Dec 25, 2003
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(August 2002) Poverty fuels high birth rates in poor nations, as documented in the 2002 World Population Data Sheet, released by the Population Reference Bureau. Of the 41 countries designated as "heavily indebted poor countries" by the World Bank, 39 fall into the category of high-fertility nations, where women, on average, bear four or more children. Similarly, the 48 countries identified by the United Nations as "least developed" are expected to triple their populations by 2050.

The correlation between poverty and high fertility rates is most marked in sub-Saharan Africa, where the total fertility rate (TFR, or number of children each woman bears on average) is 5.6 and the gross national income per capita (GNI per capita, adjusted for purchasing power) is US$1,540, the lowest by far of any major region. Conversely, Western Europe has a GNI per capita of US$25,300 and a TFR of 1.5.

"The demographic divide between rich and poor countries," notes Carl Haub, the author of the data sheet, "is illustrated by long-term population projections. From 2002 to 2050, the more developed countries are projected to go from 1.197 billion to 1.249 billion, an increase of just 52 million people. Over the same period, the population of the less developed world will jump from 5.018 billion to 7.873 billion, an increase of more than 2.8 billion."

Almost 99 percent of population growth now occurs in the developing world, while there are fewer births than deaths each year in Europe.

The vast majority of developing countries with high birth rates now have official slow-growth policies. The relationship between poverty and fertility is hardly a surprise. But it is taking on added importance with the increasing cost of maintaining national family planning programs in a time of a world economic slowdown. If poor nations are to reach their desired birth rates, they must be able to improve infrastructures, train health personnel, and increase their payments for contraceptive commodities.

In addition, the 2002 World Population Data Sheet shows that:

  • HIV/AIDS reached unprecedented proportions in Southern Africa. In Botswana, an astounding 38.8 percent of adults are infected. AIDS has resulted in anticipated population decline in some countries of Africa, although the region continues to lead the world in projected growth.
  • The United States remains the fastest growing industrialized country, due to its higher birth rate (2.1 children per woman) and to immigration.
  • Countries facing the largest population losses between now and 2050 include Botswana, Bulgaria, Estonia, Japan, Russia, South Africa, and Ukraine.
  • Countries projected to have the largest population increases include Angola, Congo (Democratic Republic), Iraq, Niger, Palestinian Territory, Uganda, and Yemen.
  • The use of contraception varies widely, from 19 percent of couples in sub-Saharan African countries using a method to 68 percent in developed countries.
 
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Here is one on Cali.


Manifestations of Poverty and Birthrates Among Young Teenagers in California Zip Code Areas

By Douglas Kirby, Karin Coyle and Jeffrey B. Gould
Context: Given that many communities are implementing community-wide initiatives to reduce teenage pregnancy or childbearing, it is important to understand the effects of a community's characteristics on adolescent birthrates.

Methodology: Data from the 1990 census and from California birth certificates were obtained for zip codes in California. Regression analyses were conducted on data from zip code areas with at least 200 females aged 15-17 between 1991 and 1996, to predict the effects of race and ethnicity, marital status, education, employment, income and poverty, and housing on birthrates among young teenagers.

Results: In bivariate analyses, the proportion of families living below poverty level within a zip code was highly related to the birthrate among young teenagers in that zip code (r=.80, p<.001). In multivariate analyses, which controlled for some of the correlates of family poverty level, the proportion of families living below poverty level remained by far the most important predictor of the birthrate among young teenagers (b=1.54), followed by the proportion of adults aged 25 or older who have a college education (b=-0.80). Race and ethnicity were only weakly related to birthrate. In all three racial and ethnic groups, poverty and education were significantly related to birthrate, but the effect of college education was greater among Hispanics (b=-2.98) than among either non-Hispanic whites (b=-0.53) or blacks (b=-1.12). Male employment and unemployment and female unemployment were highly related to the birthrate among young teenagers in some racial or ethnic groups, but not in others.

Conclusions: Multiple manifestations of poverty, including poverty itself, low levels of education and employment, and high levels of unemployment, may have a large impact upon birthrates among young teenagers. Addressing some of these issues could substantially reduce childbearing among young adolescents.

Family Planning Perspectives, 2001, 33(2):63-69
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Jae, the fact that poorer and less educated people have more children in America has been true since the early 60's.

The more educated or rich you become, the less children you have. The authors of the Bell Curve pointed to this as what they called "the disastrous dysgenic effect". In fact, the average amount of children a woman holding a college degree has is 0.8, where the average amount of children a high school graduate or below will have is 2.1.
You stated that poor folks get LESS abortions, I do not contest that poor folks have MORE children. Im talking strictly abortions, what numbers back up your claims that poor folks get less abortions?
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Women with college degrees can be expected to complete their childbearing with 1.6-2.0 children each; 1.7 for non-Hispanic white, 1.6 for non-Hispanic black, and 2.0 for Hispanic women.
That right there just plain pisses me off. So few in number, having so few children after they graduate.

And it is wondered why I don't run around screaming "ABORTION IS A HUMAN RIGHT!" and all this other nonsense. Blacks are slowly being eradicated and we have women's "rights" activists to thank for it.
 
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SO whats 'non hispanic white' and 'non hispanic black'. What ever happened to Black, White or Hispanic?

AS FOR OVERPOPULATED COUNTRIES when you have so many people living around animals in overcrowded areas, too many people and animals usually bring out disease for natural population control.

I read a long time ago the US is not high on birthrates compared to other countries cause we have so many things going on in our lives with school, work, money and uneeded deisres etc...