Pope rejects condom use in Africa
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LMAO
So you think condoms will work when villagers are getting raped? You think the lady in Liberia say's "Condoms are more effective than abstinence" as soldiers are running a gang bang on her?
Your post makes no sense.
The pope said: abstinence is more effective than condoms in preventing aids
I Pukokeki Ioulo Momu: says he agrees to an extent
You say: you take objection and say abstinence doesn't work when villagers are getting raped.
So what would you recommend to stop the transmission of AIDS when villagers are being raped?
His post makes perfect sense. From what I gathered he's saying the message of abstinence is null & void when it comes to sexual attacks. Moreover, I take it he's also saying it contributes to a vast part of the problem.
Talking about condoms will put a band aid on a deep wound. Why are these people experiencing high HIV and AIDS rates anyway? Is it due to lifestyle choices such as not practicing abstinence or condom use or institutional deviance, lack of resources for the people, poverty, lack of education, etc?
Talking about condoms will put a band aid on a deep wound. Why are these people experiencing high HIV and AIDS rates anyway? Is it due to lifestyle choices such as not practicing abstinence or condom use or institutional deviance, lack of resources for the people, poverty, lack of education, etc?
This is how I saw it and as I stated, I didn't take this into consideration. I was merely including the folks that partake in sex at will (or at least by means of those not being attacked by other villages).
However, this presents a cultural issue in that I do not know the customs of ANY African villages, let alone the ones that the Pope was reaching out to. Maybe they ONLY have sex to procreate. If this is the case, how can you stop a culture from doing what it has done for thousands of years?
And i 100% agree with the condom statement. It IS a band-aid and it is obvious that it is not working, as I cant imagine this is the first time ANYONE has presented birth control to these African cultures.
I wish I had a solution, but I do not. I was just agreeing that abstinence was the only SURE means of stopping the spreading of not only AIDS, but of ANY STD's. Other than that, the Pope can kiss my unholy ass.
However, this presents a cultural issue in that I do not know the customs of ANY African villages, let alone the ones that the Pope was reaching out to. Maybe they ONLY have sex to procreate. If this is the case, how can you stop a culture from doing what it has done for thousands of years?
And i 100% agree with the condom statement. It IS a band-aid and it is obvious that it is not working, as I cant imagine this is the first time ANYONE has presented birth control to these African cultures.
I wish I had a solution, but I do not. I was just agreeing that abstinence was the only SURE means of stopping the spreading of not only AIDS, but of ANY STD's. Other than that, the Pope can kiss my unholy ass.
I understand both of you and I agree with both of you.
Yes, this is also a cultural issue, but not cultural as in sex only for procreation. If I can find it, I'll post the video link of a story about rape in Africa. In this vid short, they were discussing how lesbian women in certain parts of Africa were being raped to "transform" them or make them straight. Also, keep in mind that as poverty increases, you have an increase in crime such as prostitution and drugs, and we all know how those play a role in disease.
And see thats the thing. How the fuck you gonna go preaching to a bunch of people about rubbers when they are going through other shit. Common sense is in order here, and any "christian" type person should have enough common sense to ask, "What the fuck would Jesus do?" Would Jesus go handing out condoms and preaching abstinence or would he focus on the other problems these people are facing and then focus on abstinence?
Yes, there are ways it can be stopped, and abstinence is not the most reliable way. However, lowering poverty, increasing employment, better government infrastructures, education (science, math, sex ed, etc) are an absolute requirement to curbing the problem.
LOL@unholy ass.
Yes, this is also a cultural issue, but not cultural as in sex only for procreation. If I can find it, I'll post the video link of a story about rape in Africa. In this vid short, they were discussing how lesbian women in certain parts of Africa were being raped to "transform" them or make them straight. Also, keep in mind that as poverty increases, you have an increase in crime such as prostitution and drugs, and we all know how those play a role in disease.
And see thats the thing. How the fuck you gonna go preaching to a bunch of people about rubbers when they are going through other shit. Common sense is in order here, and any "christian" type person should have enough common sense to ask, "What the fuck would Jesus do?" Would Jesus go handing out condoms and preaching abstinence or would he focus on the other problems these people are facing and then focus on abstinence?
Yes, there are ways it can be stopped, and abstinence is not the most reliable way. However, lowering poverty, increasing employment, better government infrastructures, education (science, math, sex ed, etc) are an absolute requirement to curbing the problem.
LOL@unholy ass.
The Popes stance is rather logical really - christianity is already widespread and belief is increasing in popularity in the poorer nations, primarily in Africa and South America, so why would the Pope want these people using condoms? He knows abstinence will never work without education, and what is a few thousand cases of AIDS when it's compared to a few extra million Christian believers? Pope: AIDS sufferers, take one for the team.
It's logical if you're trying to exploit people or proselytizing. It is absolutely illogical if you're seriously bent on getting down to the root of the problem and eradicating it. Prevention only does so much, but what about people who've already contracted HIV or have full blown AIDS? Oh...wear a condom, wash your ass in holy water, perform mass and The Vicar will help you.
Calm down cowboy....
First, "Absintance" works if use yes but doesn't if not used. Agree?
Second, How is abstinance a sure fire way to Stop the spreading of AIDS in a country that won't practice it? For a remedy to work the people have to use it, I dont know one country in Africa ready to practice it. End result it wont work!!! Qoute me on that homie.
First, "Absintance" works if use yes but doesn't if not used. Agree?
Second, How is abstinance a sure fire way to Stop the spreading of AIDS in a country that won't practice it? For a remedy to work the people have to use it, I dont know one country in Africa ready to practice it. End result it wont work!!! Qoute me on that homie.
What makes you think I am not calm?
Agreed.
This doesnt make any sense. Abstinance = abstainig from sex. Sexually transmiited diseases are spread through sexual intercourse. Therefore, abstinence prevents STD"s from spreading. So the theory behind does work...that has nothing to do with someone using it or not.
Abstinence isnt a remedy, it is a method. Whether it is being used or not is not in question. I merely said that abstinence is the ONLY method to STOP the spreading of STD's, nothing more. You are some how corrolating the method with usage, when they are not synomonous. Abstinence is there whether someone uses it or not. Thi isnt a duscussion of whether it will or not Africans SHOULD use the method, but that abstinence WILL in fact stop the spread of STD's.
Agreed.
This doesnt make any sense. Abstinance = abstainig from sex. Sexually transmiited diseases are spread through sexual intercourse. Therefore, abstinence prevents STD"s from spreading. So the theory behind does work...that has nothing to do with someone using it or not.
Abstinence isnt a remedy, it is a method. Whether it is being used or not is not in question. I merely said that abstinence is the ONLY method to STOP the spreading of STD's, nothing more. You are some how corrolating the method with usage, when they are not synomonous. Abstinence is there whether someone uses it or not. Thi isnt a duscussion of whether it will or not Africans SHOULD use the method, but that abstinence WILL in fact stop the spread of STD's.
I never said anything about condoms but don't they have them already in Africa? I mean it is a country in this world not a colony on Mars. Shit They even have Condoms on the Space Station. Aren't organizations giving them out already? Better question is "Are they using condoms?". I doubt it.
If you will quote me I said "when some one was being raped". Is it cause i left out condom use that it made you bring that comment to me?
PS besides why would the Africans listen to anything the Pope says? Is he going to barter with them for Salvation and food?
i said"Second, How is abstinance a sure fire way to Stop the spreading of AIDS in a country that won't practice it?" you get the last part "in a country that won't practice it?
What part of the WHOLE ENTIRE COUNTRY won't do it doesn't make sense?
Corrolating what? The method has to be used to work!
Hypotheticly if everyone who had aids all over the world stopped having sex AIDS would still spread. Sex isn't the only way to get it (remember 6th grade Sex Ed?). So no your theory is off by a fraction or two.
Do you think nations that dwell in poverty & pestelence, people that go to war as early as 9 years old, people who watch thier whole family or tribe brutally murdered are concerned with condoms and abstinence? Real fact is it will not work no matter what theory you use.
would it be easier if I made it into a scientific calculation for you?
Shit in one hand theorize in the other.... see which one gets fuller faster.
Lets not go back to the old days when people just took a section of a quote to make it sound like what ever they wanted it to. Lets use the whole quote to get a better understanding of what the poster is saying.
Methods and theories and remedies? come on you act like you been there and know it will work from first hand experience. i have never went to Africa but know it is a no go, ask any person here. So create or discover a new method or theory to create a remedy to stop a virus man has yet to stop.
The funny thing about a theory is it can be created much more faster and some times easier than putting it into action.
If you will quote me I said "when some one was being raped". Is it cause i left out condom use that it made you bring that comment to me?
PS besides why would the Africans listen to anything the Pope says? Is he going to barter with them for Salvation and food?
i said"Second, How is abstinance a sure fire way to Stop the spreading of AIDS in a country that won't practice it?" you get the last part "in a country that won't practice it?
What part of the WHOLE ENTIRE COUNTRY won't do it doesn't make sense?
Corrolating what? The method has to be used to work!
Hypotheticly if everyone who had aids all over the world stopped having sex AIDS would still spread. Sex isn't the only way to get it (remember 6th grade Sex Ed?). So no your theory is off by a fraction or two.
Do you think nations that dwell in poverty & pestelence, people that go to war as early as 9 years old, people who watch thier whole family or tribe brutally murdered are concerned with condoms and abstinence? Real fact is it will not work no matter what theory you use.
would it be easier if I made it into a scientific calculation for you?
Shit in one hand theorize in the other.... see which one gets fuller faster.
Lets not go back to the old days when people just took a section of a quote to make it sound like what ever they wanted it to. Lets use the whole quote to get a better understanding of what the poster is saying.
Methods and theories and remedies? come on you act like you been there and know it will work from first hand experience. i have never went to Africa but know it is a no go, ask any person here. So create or discover a new method or theory to create a remedy to stop a virus man has yet to stop.
The funny thing about a theory is it can be created much more faster and some times easier than putting it into action.
I never said they would practice it. Did you read ANYTHING i wrote?
No, it doesnt. Abstinence is a thing, whether it is USED or not. The method is a PROVEN thing...it EXISTS. You dont HAVE to practice it for it to exist.
AIDS is still spread by other ways OTHER than sexual activity...i think this is common knowledge. However, the main AIDS problem in Africa isnt because of sharing dirty needles or from blood transfusions (as far as my knowledge goes).
Abstaining from all sexual contact, inclusing sodemy, will STOP the spreading AIDS transmitted sexually. Prove me wrong otherwise.
I dont know...but you seem to think you have the answers. If they are so busy NOT worrying about abstaining from sex, how are they finding the time TO have sex? See how that works?
Huh? I guess i dont understand why you would say this. This has nothing to do with "scientific calculations"...it has to do with common sense and logical ways of stopping the spreading of STD's. Nothing else.
No, it doesnt. Abstinence is a thing, whether it is USED or not. The method is a PROVEN thing...it EXISTS. You dont HAVE to practice it for it to exist.
AIDS is still spread by other ways OTHER than sexual activity...i think this is common knowledge. However, the main AIDS problem in Africa isnt because of sharing dirty needles or from blood transfusions (as far as my knowledge goes).
Abstaining from all sexual contact, inclusing sodemy, will STOP the spreading AIDS transmitted sexually. Prove me wrong otherwise.
I dont know...but you seem to think you have the answers. If they are so busy NOT worrying about abstaining from sex, how are they finding the time TO have sex? See how that works?
would it be easier if I made it into a scientific calculation for you?
Shit in one hand theorize in the other.... see which one gets fuller faster.
Shit in one hand theorize in the other.... see which one gets fuller faster.
No one is doing this but YOU it seems...go figure.
What do the first and second sentences ahve to do with one another?
So people on the IScc are more qualified than anyone else to speak on such a matter?
Why? Its not my job and who in the fuck is going to listen to me?
No one is disputing that. Please point out where i or anyone else said otherwise.
What do the first and second sentences ahve to do with one another?
So people on the IScc are more qualified than anyone else to speak on such a matter?
Why? Its not my job and who in the fuck is going to listen to me?
No one is disputing that. Please point out where i or anyone else said otherwise.
"AIDS is still spread by other ways OTHER than sexual activity...i think this is common knowledge. However, the main AIDS problem in Africa isnt because of sharing dirty needles or from blood transfusions (as far as my knowledge goes).
Abstaining from all sexual contact, inclusing sodemy, will STOP the spreading AIDS transmitted sexually. Prove me wrong otherwise."
Bullshit. AIDS wasn't started from sexual contact is was started by evil white people in labs testin out ways to kill off who they wanted dead. Just like alot of other other biological warfare. So abstaining wouldn't really stop nothing considering they are constantly tryiin to find different ways to kill off blacks.
Abstaining from all sexual contact, inclusing sodemy, will STOP the spreading AIDS transmitted sexually. Prove me wrong otherwise."
Bullshit. AIDS wasn't started from sexual contact is was started by evil white people in labs testin out ways to kill off who they wanted dead. Just like alot of other other biological warfare. So abstaining wouldn't really stop nothing considering they are constantly tryiin to find different ways to kill off blacks.
All I am pointing out is that I Pukokeki Ioulo Momu suggested abstinence to be more effective to some extent in the "condoms vs abstinence" argument. That argument was not condoms vs abstinence vs other.
Under the constraints of that argument's dichotomy you said that abstinence wouldn't work where people are being raped, and I subsequently pointed out that condoms will not work where people are being raped either. Essentially the same argument you would make as to why abstinence would not be effective in this culture could be made to show that condoms are not effective either.
If a victim cannot stop an attacker by employing abstinence, they can no more ask an assailant to wear a condom before commencing raping them.