Pope Benedict admits evidence for evolution

[coondogg26]

So what does God say about your alias Coondogg26, with a picture of 2-short a rapper well known for degrading women, and a white boy who is a BIG catholic on a gangster Rap site?

Is this all in the bible?

5000

sorry i didn't realize that making a screen from my last name (Cooney) and listening to rap means i can't be Catholic. Once again you fall back on personal attacks that have nothing to do with the discussion. Im sure God doesn't care what i listen to as long as i am a good person and not out doing the things that is discussed in the music. I have always loved rap, and always will and i dont think that that interferes with my faith in anyway. I treat all women with respect, and yeah i bump short at the same time. Stop trying to convince me that im wrong because it isn't going to work. God Bless and i hope you can stop being so judgemental.

 

[ParkBoyz]

^^Simply disregard the troll's irrational rhetoric, he has no better means of rebutting what you believe, so he tries to assassinate your character and laugh at you, knowing deep down that he himself is a miserable wretch, frustrated with the fact that no one cares about what he has to say since nothing he says is thought-provoking in any way.

 

[JLMACN]

sorry i didn't realize that making a screen from my last name (Cooney) and listening to rap means i can't be Catholic. Once again you fall back on personal attacks that have nothing to do with the discussion. Im sure God doesn't care what i listen to as long as i am a good person and not out doing the things that is discussed in the music. I have always loved rap, and always will and i dont think that that interferes with my faith in anyway. I treat all women with respect, and yeah i bump short at the same time. Stop trying to convince me that im wrong because it isn't going to work. God Bless and i hope you can stop being so judgemental.

Stop judging you?

Stop making fun of innocent fat little girls (your sig), how Christian is that?

There is nothing to discuss with people in denial.

^^Simply disregard the troll's irrational rhetoric, he has no better means of rebutting what you believe, so he tries to assassinate your character and laugh at you, knowing deep down that he himself is a miserable wretch, frustrated with the fact that no one cares about what he has to say since nothing he says is thought-provoking in any way.

Pay no attention to my groupie here. He loves me.

 

[ParkBoyz]

lmao at pb again, "irrational rhetoric". he actually believes he is the rational one because hes a wannabe muslim and takes magic books as facts while casting away evolution as pseudo science. then tell me, if evolution is pseudo science, what kind of science is theology? pb, the same one who says he wants to be religious because its the only thing that makes sense to HIM. how rational!!!!! thank you.

^Way to misrepresent everything I say. Nice job crab..

 

[GTS]

this whole GOM has went to shit

 

[ParkBoyz]

@ GTS ^Well someone needs to change the format. There is like a different religious thread made every day as if there's nothing else to talk about. This inevitably invites dispute.

 

[JLMACN]

this whole GOM has went to shit

Thats what happens when everyone is a professional and can not be taught anything.

5000

 

[GTS]

Thats what happens when everyone is a professional and can not be taught anything.

5000

LOL be taught.

C'mon bro there is bashing going on with no intent of teaching on both sides. I mean set up a different section for Religion, I guess.

 

[ParkBoyz]

way to answer the questions crawdad. ill take your lack of response to my challenge as a W.

Is that what you're looking for? A "win"? Hahahaha!

why dont you clarify if im misrepresenting you heresy jr? that duckin and dodgin is cutting off the blood flow to your head.

But you didn't say anything.

Parkboyz, prove to me I am not Allah....

^Since you make the claim, prove that you are, or can be.

Parkboyz, tell me how you can fault something that you claim to be pseudo science, reject scientific evidence and say it cant explain everything, but then you want to rest your life of Islam and talk about how scientific it is....

^Because the revelations in question are observable; humans evolving from dirt and molecules are not. Simple..

Parkboyz, address my statements about the previous and current pope view on evolution and answer your daughter connys claims that its garbage....

I've already addressed why the pope's submission is trash, I've elaborated on the previous page/s.

 

[GTS]

with half hearted respect..why would you not think a thread about the pope and evolution woudl illicit some type of religious debate with collateral bashing? this pertains to the most fundamental quesitons facing existence. most sides are passionate and take this topic very personally for inherent reasons. you want to talk about the weather or something?

You keep talking like you have all the answers, and anyone disagreeing with you is "weak".

 

[ParkBoyz]

so then you are both sayin that i did and that i didnt misrepresent anything...

Misrepresenting is equivalent to not saying anything.

perfect, so you admit the burden of proof is on the one making the religious claims.

I've never tried to "prove" anything to you, so this is null n void.

THIS is rational of you, follow this road, you get the point...

Of course, I'm not an irrational human being..

do you see the fallacy here?

No..

taking the parts as true for the whole?

The parts build up the whole and by inference, when none of the parts have been soundly refuted, by way of occam's razor it is logical to assume that the same applies for the whole until proven otherwise, even if it is not proof of the whole.

the simplest solution tends to be the best one

this also contradicts in that you did not observe allah revealing to mohamat.

Again, there is no reason to believe him to be a liar.

history is also unobservable...

What does documented evidence and recorded claims have to do with processes that supposedly took place billions of years ago?

lets be clear...do you only accept the observable?

I accept what is reasonable..

by the way, i was the only non muslim in the islam thread that agreed with you that the "science" of the koran should have further inspection, but this has nothing to do with whether the entire thing, or even any of it is the perfect word of god.

^^Okay, well you're more sensible than many others in that you are entirely more open-minded. The misconception however, is assuming that I'm making claims of certainty. Like I've stated above, whatever is reasonable that can be backed by sound evidence and plausibility, be it documented/recorded, or observed, I'm all for it. But I simply refuse to have dogmatic beliefs imposed on me as if it is the only path to attain truth. Also, people who feel that they're able to disprove God while claiming that no one is able to prove the existence of God, are just being difficult and hypocritical imo..

It's not a big deal to me, but the abundance of religious threads on here are disgusting. What do you guys expect? This entire forum has become polarized between non-religious and religious participants with no common ground since the subject of God pops up every two seconds, even in irrelevant threads.

 

[GTS]

gts my friend you got it backwards, i apoliogize if my stance hasnt been absolutely clear, it is the scientific stance, sorry you misunderstood.

im saying i dont have all the answers but that i wish to deal in facts, and anyone who claims they do know all the answers yet doestn base anything on fact (ie religious) are weak. not only weak, but arrogant, selfish, stubborn, delusional, self aggrandizing.

so out of nothing came an explosion, somhow microrganisms over time transformed into humans, and animals. I've heard theories but I've missed the facts.

And it's "weak" for people to look elsewhere for answers? I'm not one to say the followers of Christ are good people, and haven't tarnished the religion because of they're own selfish desires, but I will say the main point of love has been lost in translation imo.

 

[ThaG]

@ GTS ^Well someone needs to change the format. There is like a different religious thread made every day as if there's nothing else to talk about. This inevitably invites dispute.

I see nothing wrong with it, this is Gathering of Minds and whether God exists or not is the biggest existential question

 

[ThaG]

the simplest solution tends to be the best one

Exactly

And God is hardly the simplest solution because there will always be the question "How did God appear?"

You can not explain things by involving some undefined higher intelligence because the higher intelligence will always require explanation itself

I think it's a pretty simple concept....

Moreover, there is no evidence for the existence of such a higher intelligence and what is often cited as a reason why we should believe it exists is that we are not able to explain the world around us... circular reasoning at its finest

 

[GTS]

you are saying out of nothing, not me. i do not know what happened before the "big bang" or pretend to know. speciation has been proven, it is observable, its a fact, you can check it out.

and it it not weak for people to seek other anwers, its is weak for people to accept a nicely packaged answer for the meaning of life from a book written thousands of years ago. we dont even trust the people on the street these days, we have serious skepticism of the intents of the governments, but you will trust someone from 2000 years ago who said they are the son of god? again, why not place your fiath in me, when i say i am th eson of god, or why not trust the other thousands who have made the same claims?

i also wont claim to know the "main point" of religion when i have do not know for certian the intentions of its authors. but i agree that "love" has been lost. the teachings of jesus are abandoned on this board by the so called christians, you can see for yourself, they revel in the fact that they think i am going to burn in hell...this is christian love? its twisted for certain.

If you die for my sins then maybe I'll consider but until then I'll respectfully disagree to place my faith in you, loll

Jimmi Hendrix has a great quote
when the power of love outweighs the love of power then the world will know peace.

 

[ThaG]

I just saw this. I too, must respectfully disagree on this basis. The theory its self, which seeks to explain putative random occurrences by way of the material world by nature, eliminates God.

Exactly. good that you understand it

The theory of evolution states that life formed out of a chemical soup of inorganic matter that somehow came from nothing, then established its self over time into complex life forms.

No, it doesn't state that. The exact mechanism of the origin of life is unknown and it is completely irrelevant to the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution explains how and why organisms change over large periods of time. It deals with the general principles of how these processes occur. How life originated is a completely different subject

Theistic belief consists of life being the breath of God that follows a master plan. There is no master plan in evolution and human beings weren't created, but evolved from these inorganic processes over a very long period of time, which contradicts a plan.

that's right

According to evolution, we will continue to mutate, ultimately transitioning into some other imaginary creature that will live by totally different rules.

Wrong

We might go extinct before we evolve, the theory of evolution does not predict whether and how organisms will evolve

There is no need for a God given evolution at face value. We're expected to believe that the Big Bang just happened randomly, we don't know how or why, but it did.

Nobody is expected to believe that it just happened, this is a very active are of research and people are working very hard to find the answers, give them some time

And somehow this bang that consisted of light beams condensed into hydrogen, which formed stars, stars formed heavier elements which dispersed and formed our planet, the planet cooled off, became alive over billions of years and guided its self under natural laws to ultimately birth human beings.

This is not part of the theory of biological evolution, it deals with living organisms, not with stars. Some of its principles also apply to stellar evolution though

As ridiculous as this sounds, it is considered "science" and challenges to this absurdity is seen as an affront to "science" somehow. It is despicable to say the least and this type of dogma is an insult to all free thinking, pattern and purpose seeking people.

LOL

How about the enormous amount of evidence that supports it??

BTW because of the size of the universe and the slow speed of light, stellar evolution has this weird property that it can be directly in all its stages

It is actually just as, if not even more well supported by evidence, as biological evolution

It's definitely far from being a ridiculous idea or dogma

And the biggest insult to free thinking people is religion for the very simple reason EVERY religion claims that it gives the final answer to everything which can by no way be challenged. This is one of the defining characteristics of the religious meme

We are expected to believe their lies with out questioning them and it seems as if the pope has fallen victim to this ostracizing system or discrediting.

I am very curious to understand how exactly tens of thousands of people over hundreds of years spread all over the Earth managed to secretly conspire against God and his truths. How were they able to collect such enormous quantity of knowledge and evidence that for some reason does not contradict itself and the theories they propose? One would expect that it does, if it is all made up as a part of the conspiracy. These guys must be very smart and well organized people to be able to do it, some sort of semi-gods probably...

Luckily, most people don't care what Darwin thought he observed, in my opinion, Darwin was a loon who saw different sized beaks and based on that, made-up an entire bullshit theory that gullible pseudo-scientists still adhere to, to this day in their expression of disdain for a presence of a creator.

LOL...

You apparently know absolutely nothing about the way the theory was developed and established...

It was much more than some beaks and Darwin, believe me

 

[GTS]

Exactly. good that you understand it



The exact mechanism of the origin of life is unknown and it is completely irrelevant to the theory of evolution. . How life originated is a completely different subject

elaborate on how life originated?

 

[ThaG]

elaborate on how life originated?

I've done it before, I don't have the time to do it again now

I'll give you some keywords and leave the search to you:

RNA world, amino acid chirality, self-replicating RNA molecules, ribosomes, ribozymes, molecular fossils, progenotes, lateral gene transfer

the key problematic step of the process we have no clue about as of now is the evolution of the genetic code, the rest is straightforward compared to this one

for more info:

http://origins.harvard.edu/InaugSymp.html

 

[GTS]

^^
loll
nevermind

 

[ParkBoyz]

then we disgree on the meaning "soundly refuted" and you also do not explain or display that you even have the knowledge to soundly refute every other one of the thousands of religions that has existed. yet you lean towards one.

Obviously because one is more sound than the rest and the errors in the rest are overtly apparent. "soundly refuted" simply means to disprove.

you cant possibly have reason to believe all other prophets are liars when you dont even know every purported revelation that has been given throughout time.

Immaterial since I haven't been exposed to every prophet that has ever existed and the ones who have gotten their point across has been exposed to the entire world, in my opinion, under God's will since any old loon won't possess this kind of power that was granted.

you have no reason for him to be a liar? what reason do you have that i am liar when i tell you i am god?

I don't believe human beings are Gods, obviously you have no qualities observable that differentiates yourself from me.

in your own words how did allah prove to you that he is god, or that he can be when all you have is a book?

Aside from the book being a divine revelation (which I cannot prove unless I show that every claim made is flawless), existence makes no sense aside from the presence of a God and by process of elimination it the universe didn't self-create, then something created it. The fact that we refer to this creator as God, or Allah the most high in Arabic, is irrelevant to the concept of a creator.

what reason to believe jesus is a liar? buddha? haile selassie? the mormon dude?

In many aspects they're correct, but the fact that I'm able to pick holes through each of these views, indicates to me that they aren't entirely accurate.

the reasons i contend are clear, power, control, ease of suffering, explain the the unexplainable for comfort, ease the fear of death, garner support, empower people, destroy people who do not follow your "rules".

These are psychological explanations that have nothing to do with the history of the concept. There is nothing pleasing or easing about being threatened with eternal damnation and submitting yourself entirely to a being you've never had a chance to observe directly. That is contradictory to your psychological reasoning and if it held true, then you'd be compelled to want to believe also, instead you rebel, partly for the reasons I've stated above.

PB, all things aside, you honeslty cannot see a reason for a person to claiming divinity to lie? there are more reasons than not!

If you catch them in a lie it's all too easy. In theory, Gods don't contradict themselves..

ill leave it at that and wont argue religion with you anymore, ever, if thats what you truley believe, that you have no reason to question the validity or intentions of someone claiming to have spoken to the creator of existence....

Ever? Hahaha! What's wrong? As long as you address me respectfully I do not mind answering your questions and you can hit me with your most solid reasoning on earth. The only thing I find disgusting is the blatant disrespect and the obsessive tendencies rampant on here concerning this issue. If I agree that this said creator exists, it isn't implausible at all that someone may have been directly inspired by this entity. If you believe that's improbable, imagine how improbable a universe springing from nothing is, or a universe that existed forever is. Outside of creation these are the only two possibilities.