Police Use Rubber Bullets, Flash Grenades, And Smoke Bombs To Evict Occupy Oakland
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At least they are there. And if that is indeed the case for most of them, who knows what can happen when a person is around something of that magnitude. Maybe they begin to understand and actually care.
That is an awfully big assumption you are making there. Again, is this becuase its in Oakland, and you have a specific perception of Oakland that makes you say that?
Assumption.
Assumption.
Several people have done it around the US, including here in Seattle...nothing like what has happened in Oakland has happened in other cities.
They said the same thing to Seattlites...again, no gas was used.
See Coldblooded's post above yours.
Or, they have positioned themselves to show that they are dead ass serious about this and that a little brute force isnt going to scare them off. I guess it just depends on who you ask.
That is an awfully big assumption you are making there. Again, is this becuase its in Oakland, and you have a specific perception of Oakland that makes you say that?
Assumption.
Assumption.
Several people have done it around the US, including here in Seattle...nothing like what has happened in Oakland has happened in other cities.
They said the same thing to Seattlites...again, no gas was used.
See Coldblooded's post above yours.
Or, they have positioned themselves to show that they are dead ass serious about this and that a little brute force isnt going to scare them off. I guess it just depends on who you ask.
What this comes down is opportunity. Opportunity to be heard, opportunity to change the way wall street rapes the people, change the way corporations do business. What the people want are jobs, healthcare, housing, etc. the list goes on. There are millions of people that feel the same way. These people protesting are going to the extreme which isnt a bad thing necessarily. But there needs to be some organization, a real cause they are fighting for. At this point people hear occupy wall street and see a bunch of homelss people screaming demanding more. It is the wrong way to push this movement. They are gaining funds through all this mess though. Now they just need someone with a little brains to organize and create an approach that will catch more of the middleclass's attention. Everyone is fed up with the nonsense. If millions of people were on the same page and approached it civilly, they may make a difference. At the end of the day it is about change and what is in the best interest of the people, not indivdiuals. We all need to understand what this is about.
Here is an article outlining the reason for the occupy wall street movement
Study: Rich get a lot richer, outpace middle class
By Andrew Taylor Associated Press
Posted: 10/26/2011 12:46:34 PM PDT
Updated: 10/26/2011 12:46:34 PM PDT
WASHINGTON -- The richest 1 percent of Americans have been getting far richer over the last three decades while the middle class and poor have seen their after-tax household income only crawl up in comparison, according to a government study.
After-tax income for the top 1 percent of U.S. households almost tripled, up 275 percent, from 1979 to 2007, the Congressional Budget Office found. For people in the middle of the economic scale, after-tax income grew by just 40 percent. Those at the bottom experienced an 18 percent increase.
"The distribution of after-tax income in the United States was substantially more unequal in 2007 than in 1979," CBO Director Doug Elmendorf said in a blog post. "The share of income accruing to higher-income households increased, whereas the share accruing to other households declined."
The report, based on IRS and Census Bureau data, comes as the Occupy Wall Street movement protests corporate bailouts and the gap between the haves and have-nots. Demonstrators call themselves "the 99 percent."
The report also found:
--The top 20 percent of the population earned 53 percent of after-tax income in 2007, as opposed to 43 percent in 1979.
--The top 1 percent reaped a 17 percent share of all income, up from 8 percent in 1979.
--The bottom 20 percent reaped just 5 percent of after-tax income, versus 7 percent in 1979.
Lawmakers and presidential candidates are mulling overhauling the tax code -- some propose a flat tax that critics say could magnify the income gap -- and a congressional "supercommittee" is weighing options to cut the deficit.
President Barack Obama has toured the country promising to raise taxes on the wealthy in order to finance his jobs agenda, which includes continuing a payroll tax cut, boosting infrastructure spending and helping local governments avoid layoffs of teachers, police officers and firefighters.
In a speech Wednesday, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., the chairman of the House Budget Committee, decried Obama's moves as "class warfare" and said GOP policies would preserve "equality of opportunity."
"Telling people they are stuck in their current station in life, that they are victims of circumstances beyond their control, and that the government's role is to help them cope with it -- well, that's not who we are," Ryan said at the conservative Heritage Foundation.
Study: Rich get a lot richer, outpace middle class
By Andrew Taylor Associated Press
Posted: 10/26/2011 12:46:34 PM PDT
Updated: 10/26/2011 12:46:34 PM PDT
WASHINGTON -- The richest 1 percent of Americans have been getting far richer over the last three decades while the middle class and poor have seen their after-tax household income only crawl up in comparison, according to a government study.
After-tax income for the top 1 percent of U.S. households almost tripled, up 275 percent, from 1979 to 2007, the Congressional Budget Office found. For people in the middle of the economic scale, after-tax income grew by just 40 percent. Those at the bottom experienced an 18 percent increase.
"The distribution of after-tax income in the United States was substantially more unequal in 2007 than in 1979," CBO Director Doug Elmendorf said in a blog post. "The share of income accruing to higher-income households increased, whereas the share accruing to other households declined."
The report, based on IRS and Census Bureau data, comes as the Occupy Wall Street movement protests corporate bailouts and the gap between the haves and have-nots. Demonstrators call themselves "the 99 percent."
The report also found:
--The top 20 percent of the population earned 53 percent of after-tax income in 2007, as opposed to 43 percent in 1979.
--The top 1 percent reaped a 17 percent share of all income, up from 8 percent in 1979.
--The bottom 20 percent reaped just 5 percent of after-tax income, versus 7 percent in 1979.
Lawmakers and presidential candidates are mulling overhauling the tax code -- some propose a flat tax that critics say could magnify the income gap -- and a congressional "supercommittee" is weighing options to cut the deficit.
President Barack Obama has toured the country promising to raise taxes on the wealthy in order to finance his jobs agenda, which includes continuing a payroll tax cut, boosting infrastructure spending and helping local governments avoid layoffs of teachers, police officers and firefighters.
In a speech Wednesday, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., the chairman of the House Budget Committee, decried Obama's moves as "class warfare" and said GOP policies would preserve "equality of opportunity."
"Telling people they are stuck in their current station in life, that they are victims of circumstances beyond their control, and that the government's role is to help them cope with it -- well, that's not who we are," Ryan said at the conservative Heritage Foundation.
wow this turned into a great read. i feel you all have valid points. IMO power in numbers. everyone cant be educated on the issue but having the will to choose left or right and mash on the gas when its time to ride is good. also it seems like the way the world was is changin. power to the people fa sho.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/oct/26/occupy-oakland-protests-live
12.57pm: Indybay.org has pictures apparently of Scott Olsen, showing him lying on the floor and then being escorted away.
Jay Finneburg posted the pictures to Indybay. He wrote:
This poor guy was right behind me when he was hit in the head with a police projectile. He went down hard and did not get up. The bright light in the second shot is from a flash-bang grenade that went off a few feet from us. He was eventually taken to highland hospital.
Further down the thread Aaron Hinde writes that the bleeding man is "a veteran and a member of iraq veterans against the war". Hinde adds that he is "in the hospital and stable but he has serious injuries, we will see how he is doing in the morning when he wakes up".
Later a Indybay user named Adele wrote: "I'm at highland [a hospital in Oakland] with Scott now. If ppl saw him get hit, know who brought him in to the hospital or know how to get in touch w his roommate or family, pls msg me. I can't confirm this at the moment."
I can't confirm these accounts at the moment, but am trying to get in touch with all three people who posted regarding Olsen.
1.30pm: Scott Olsen, the protester shown with head injuries, apparently after being hit in the head by a police projectile, has a skull fracture and is in a "serious, but stable condition", according to a fellow protester with him in hospital.
Adele Carpenter, who has known Olsen since July, said she was told by a doctor at Highland hospital, in Oakland, that Olsen "has a skull fracture".
Carpenter arrived at Highland hospital in Oakland at 11pm last night, and has been allowed to visit Olsen – a former US marine, who did two tours of Iraq – this morning, she said.
"I'm just absolutely devastated that someone who did two tours of Iraq and came home safely is now lying in a US hospital because of the domestic police force," Carpenter said.
She said Olsen moved to the Bay area in July. The former marine, 24, left the military in 2010. Olsen is originally from Wisconsin, Carpenter said, adding that his family have been informed about his condition. A "military buddy" is also on his way to visit Olsen in hospital.
Video footage shows Olsen lying prone on the ground in front of police lines. A crowd gathers in an apparent bid to help him, but then scatters when a police officer throws an explosive device into their midst.
2.24pm: I've just spoken to Keith Shannon, roommate of Scott Olsen, the Iraq veteran who is in hospital after apparently having been hit in the head by a police projectile.
Shannon said doctors told him Olsen has a "skull fracture and swelling of the brain". A neurosurgeon will assess Olsen later today to determine whether he needs surgery, Shannon said.
Olsen, 24, was in 3rd Battalion, 4th Marines, before leaving the military last year. He had been opposed to the Iraq war even before his first tour to the country, Shannon said. Shannon and Olsen met in November or December 2005, and share an apartment in Daly City, south of San Francisco.
"It's really hard," Shannon said. "I really wish I had gone out with him instead of staying home last night."
Shannon, who is also 24, said he had seen the video footage showing Olsen lying on the floor as a police officer throws an explosive device near him.
"It's terrible to go over to Iraq twice and come back injured, and then get injured by the police that are supposed to be protecting us," he said.
Shannon said Olsen was hit in the head by a tear gas canister or smoke canister shot by a police officer. He said Olsen had a curved scar on his forehead consistent with a canister
Protesters who had accompanied Olsen to Highland hospital got in touch with Shannon through Facebook, after Olsen said he lived with someone called "Keith". Shannon said he was told Olsen was unable to say his surname.
Olsen's parents, who live in Wisnconsin, have been told he is in hospital and were "probably going to fly out", Shannon said.
Both Olsen and Shannon are members of Iraq Veterans Against the War and Veterans for Peace, Shannon said. He added that Olsen had been opposed to the war in Iraq before his tours of duty. Olsen served in Iraq in 2006 and 2007.
3.10pm: Scott Olsen is in a "critical condition", in Highland hospital, a spokesman for the hospital has just confirmed to me.
(We already knew he was there from the accounts below, but this is the first official confirmation).
4.12pm: Veterans for Peace have released a statement on Scott Olsen, the former marine who suffered a fractured skull in Oakland yesterday.
Veteran For Peace member, Scott Olsen, a Marine Corps veteran twice deployed to Iraq, is in hospital now in stable but serious condition with a fractured skull, struck by a police projectile fired into a crowd in downtown Oakland, California in the early morning hours of today. Other people were injured in the assault and many were arrested after Oakland police in riot gear were ordered to evict people encamped in the ongoing "Occupy Oakland" movement. Olsen is also a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War.
Occupy Oakland: Iraq vet critically injured by police projectile
http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_19203318
In what appears to be the first serious injury nationwide in the Occupy Wall Street movement, a 24-year-old Iraq War veteran lay in an Oakland hospital Wednesday night with a critical skull fracture, adding a new level of intensity in a mass demonstration that has swept the country and led to clashes with police.
Scott Thomas Olsen, 24, of Daly City, was struck in the head above his right eye with a tear-gas canister during a massive confrontation Tuesday night in which protesters threw rocks and bottles at police officers who deployed tear gas and fired bean bags to disperse the crowd of about 1,000.
"It's absolutely unconscionable that our citizens are going overseas to protect other citizens just to come back and have our own police hurt them," said Joshua Shepherd, a six-year Navy veteran and friend of Olsen.
Wednesday night, protesters ripped down a chain-link fence around the lawn at Frank H. Ogawa Plaza and at least 1,000 protesters chanted "our park" as they considered plans to try to encourage city businesses and workers to go on strike Friday. Police were not at the scene early Wednesday evening, but officers were expected to stage at two different downtown locations.
Earlier, police had removed the portable metal barriers from around Frank H. Ogawa Plaza and about 200 protesters immediately returned, pumping their fists in the air and vowing to reclaim the place they now call Oscar Grant Plaza, after a man who was killed by BART police in 2009.
Mayor under fire
Wednesday afternoon, many gathered to hold a vigil for the injured Marine corporal, who hails from Onalaska, Wisc.
"He survived two tours in Iraq," said Adele Carpenter, a friend of Olsen's and a member of the Civilian Soldier Alliance. "This struggle has high stakes, I really respect the fact that Scott was standing up for what he believes in. He's really passionate about social justice causes."
Acting police Chief Howard Jordan said the incident is under investigation by Internal Affairs, Office of Investigator General, Alameda County District Attorney's Office and the federal monitor that oversees Oakland police as a part of a settlement police corruption lawsuit. Oakland police will also review its training, policies and procedures.
Jordan called the incident "unfortunate," adding that he wished it did not happen. "The goal is not to cause injury," he said.
He said Oakland police used bean bags and gas but do not use or have rubber bullets or wooden dowels. It is possible that other agencies did, he said. More than a dozen from across Northern California assisted Oakland police under what is called a mutual aid agreement. They are, however, required to comply with Oakland policies.
The Oakland Police Department has requested use of force reports from the outside agencies.
Meanwhile, Mayor Jean Quan has come under fire for the situation. Her Facebook page has drawn comments from at least 8,900 people, many posting negative remarks on her Tuesday morning statement commending police, firefighters and public works crews who "worked over the past week to peacefully close the encampment." The comments call for her ouster, say she is unfit for office, and say she should be ashamed of how police acted.
Officers also injured
Olsen, a systems analyst at a San Francisco IT firm called OPSWAT, had camped out for several nights at San Francisco's occupation before moving to Oakland a few days ago.
Olsen was one of several hundred angry protesters who swarmed through Oakland's downtown well into the morning hours on Wednesday, repeatedly clashing with riot police. In some cases, protesters threw bottles and tipped over garbage containers. Oakland police said two of its officers were injured when a protester doused them with cans of blue and pink paint.
Protesters lambasted the police response as "heavy handed" and criticized the use of projectiles such as the one that struck Olsen.
"He was shot by the people who were supposed to protect him," said Keith Shannon, 24, Olsen's Daly City roommate and former Marine colleague. "It shows what lengths the government will go to to suppress opposing points of view."
The Marine
Olsen served two tours of duty in Iraq, once to the Iraqi-Syrian border city of Al Qaim from August 2006 to May 2007, and once to Haditha, in 2008. Both cities were hotbeds of al-Qaida and insurgent activity.
In 2010, the Marines issued Olsen an "administrative discharge." Maj. Shawn Haney, a Marines spokesman based in Quantico, Va., declined to discuss Olsen's discharge, but said his departure could have been for anything from a medical condition to a punitive measure.
Another young man, a 30-year-old Irish national named Seamus, lay writhing on the ground sobbing Wednesday afternoon clutching a grapefruit-sized bruise above his left hip. He said he and Olsen had been together when Olsen was hit. Seamus said his bruise was the result of a police projectile. Other protesters gathered around Seamus and showed off small rubber buckshot pellets they said police had fired at them.
Olsen's parents planned to fly to Oakland on Thursday to see their son. Highland Hospital administrators said Olsen remained in critical condition, with no change in his status since his admission Tuesday night. But friends and acquaintances said hospital officials told them Olsen had suffered a skull fracture and was at risk of brain damage.
Occupy Oakland and Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW), an organisation of which Olsen is a member, put out a call for solidarity vigils on Thursday morning.
The Oakland vigil will be held at 7pm during the general assembly at Occupy Oakland.
A statement from IVAW said the vigil was being held to "hold Scott in their thoughts, to honor his commitment to social justice and to hope for his strong recovery."
It read: "Scott is one of an increasing number of war veterans who are participating in America's growing Occupy movement."
"Oakland has been a public forum, set up on public land, concerned with critical public issues about the nation's financial crisis, consolidation of wealth and power, and the ability of citizens to meaningfully participate in the democratic process. The brutality they were met with sends a chilling message to those who want to serve their country by working for social change."
The Oakland vigil will be held at 7pm during the general assembly at Occupy Oakland.
A statement from IVAW said the vigil was being held to "hold Scott in their thoughts, to honor his commitment to social justice and to hope for his strong recovery."
It read: "Scott is one of an increasing number of war veterans who are participating in America's growing Occupy movement."
"Oakland has been a public forum, set up on public land, concerned with critical public issues about the nation's financial crisis, consolidation of wealth and power, and the ability of citizens to meaningfully participate in the democratic process. The brutality they were met with sends a chilling message to those who want to serve their country by working for social change."
They put $4k up for the identity of the cop that shot the gas canister into dudes head.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/reward-offered-for-the-identity-of-the-police-officer-who-shot-marine-vet-scott-olsen.html
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/reward-offered-for-the-identity-of-the-police-officer-who-shot-marine-vet-scott-olsen.html