Patriot Act 2
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This is a great thread.......great information about the Patriot Act 2.
It's funny to me when conservatives & Republicans show support for Bush and the so-called "war on terrorism" when I thought that conservative politics and Republicans stood for LESS government involvement and control over the lives of the so-called citizenry, not MORE control (i.e. revoking our civil rights through the Patriot Act & other laws)
anathematics, "more people aren't livid" because we have all collectively become brainwashed into becoming FEARFUL....and when people are afraid, they are very easy to control. Just look at how the general population responds to fear of crime...fear of "outsiders".....etc.
Again...great thread...
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It's funny to me when conservatives & Republicans show support for Bush and the so-called "war on terrorism" when I thought that conservative politics and Republicans stood for LESS government involvement and control over the lives of the so-called citizenry, not MORE control (i.e. revoking our civil rights through the Patriot Act & other laws)
anathematics, "more people aren't livid" because we have all collectively become brainwashed into becoming FEARFUL....and when people are afraid, they are very easy to control. Just look at how the general population responds to fear of crime...fear of "outsiders".....etc.
Again...great thread...
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Just curious, how many people provided their dissent when Congress passed the anti-terrorism bill of 1996? I was under the impression, perhaps falsely, that our rights were fully gutted in that seminal work.
The Patriot Act passed nearly unanimously in the House (357-66) and all but one approved it in the Senate (98-1 - one must have abstained). There wasn't much of an outcry then, by the public or otherwise (save for a few libertarian organizations and think tanks). I honestly haven't seen one civil liberty of mine encroached upon - most of the Patriot Act involves revamping outdated methods of intelligence gathering. It builds upon many existing laws. For example, what is inherently wrong with "roving wiretaps"? Or, what about the most misunderstood provision of Patriot 1, involving “Carnivore” (the FBI’s e-mail analyzing colossus) – it actually included “pro-privacy” wording.
There are many examples of paranoia and just plain ignorance surrounding the bellyaching over the Patriot Act 1. To quote one advocate of the Patriot Act, “Opponents of the Patriot Act are fond of complaining that few people have bothered to read it.” Too true.
Careful, well-though out dissent is crucial to the evolution of a [liberal] democracy (and yes, I realize we are a Republic) – let’s not let this land devolve into a haven for irreproachable politicians, Secret Police, “whispering” neighbors, and uninformed civilians.
The Patriot Act passed nearly unanimously in the House (357-66) and all but one approved it in the Senate (98-1 - one must have abstained). There wasn't much of an outcry then, by the public or otherwise (save for a few libertarian organizations and think tanks). I honestly haven't seen one civil liberty of mine encroached upon - most of the Patriot Act involves revamping outdated methods of intelligence gathering. It builds upon many existing laws. For example, what is inherently wrong with "roving wiretaps"? Or, what about the most misunderstood provision of Patriot 1, involving “Carnivore” (the FBI’s e-mail analyzing colossus) – it actually included “pro-privacy” wording.
There are many examples of paranoia and just plain ignorance surrounding the bellyaching over the Patriot Act 1. To quote one advocate of the Patriot Act, “Opponents of the Patriot Act are fond of complaining that few people have bothered to read it.” Too true.
Careful, well-though out dissent is crucial to the evolution of a [liberal] democracy (and yes, I realize we are a Republic) – let’s not let this land devolve into a haven for irreproachable politicians, Secret Police, “whispering” neighbors, and uninformed civilians.
Hmm, you were? You mind me asking which one - and you don't have to go into particulars. Mainly, I am just curious as if it was a previous law, or one that was actually included in the Patriot Act (which really was just an EXPANSION of many existing laws)? Or were you referring to the anti-terrorism law of 1996? No offense will be taken if you don't want to respond to any of those questions.