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EDJ

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HERESY,
NICE RESEARCH THERE, BUT I DISAgREE ON A FEW POINTS. I CAN POINT OUT A FEW THANgS BUT I ALREADY KNOW YOUR MIND IS SET AND I AIN'T NO POSITION TO TRY TO LECTURE OR BREAK MANY POINTS DOWN. ALL I KNOW THAT LOgICALLY IT DON'T MAKE SENSE AND THE BIBLE AIN'T gONNA CONFUSE THANgS OR CONTRADICT ITSELF ABOUT HELL AND THE AFTER-LIFE. MAN IS. MAN CAN MISINTERPRET, AND MAN CAN TAKE N-E- SCRIPTURE AND RUN WITH IT.

DEEP THOUgHT,
SO ALL THESE MEN gOT TOgETHA AND PLOTTED SOME SHIT OUT? AND CAN YOU POINT THE CONTRADICTIONS? AND HOW COULD THE BIBLE PREDICTED SOMETHIN' AND COME TRUE? HOW CAN IT STILL BE IN EXISTENCE AND gIVE SUCH gOOD ADVICE AND SET gUIDELINES IN TODAYS EVERYDAY LIVIN'?
 

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We were made to be in Heaven. We made it into a hell. Now we either get destroyed with hell when we die or we sleep and wait to return when our Heaven is fixed.
 
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EDJ said:
DEEP THOUgHT,
SO ALL THESE MEN gOT TOgETHA AND PLOTTED SOME SHIT OUT? AND CAN YOU POINT THE CONTRADICTIONS? AND HOW COULD THE BIBLE PREDICTED SOMETHIN' AND COME TRUE? HOW CAN IT STILL BE IN EXISTENCE AND gIVE SUCH gOOD ADVICE AND SET gUIDELINES IN TODAYS EVERYDAY LIVIN'?
No, they couldn't have gotten together cause many lived miles and YEARS apart. And there's your first hurdle right there. Who was this grand Dr. Dre' of a producer who put this comp together? Who was this Suge Knight who decided who's lyrics were dope enough to lay down on the master and who was wack and didn't even get a a promo poster? Ever heard of the 66 Lost Books of the Bible?

Where are the contadictions? You need only to look out the nearest window for that. Turn on the news, read the paper, or surf the web. But here's a good one: I'm a father I have a children. I "created" them. They have free will by nature (in God's case he gave it to them and this only drives my final point home harder). I raise them and try to guide them on account that I am older and "wiser." My love for them is unconditional. I know one day they will branch off and make there own decisions. Some will align with my beliefs and morals, others will not. But my love is unchanging. What decision they make I do not approve of does not place them automatically in my bad graces. Much less will it cause me to damn them to an eternal Hell. But this is God's way. The Entity whom gave free will in the first place is ready with his finger over the trap door button to dump your ass if you don't follow him. "He who is not with me, is against me" or something like that. Some loving Father, eh?

Predicting? Hell, Ms. Cleo has done that plenty of times. Nuff said.

Good advice? Yes, but my moms dishes that out anyway. Ever read the book, "Everything I need to know I already learned in kindergarten"? Maybe we should start cramming these little beauties into hotel nightstands across America instead?
 

EDJ

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DEEP THOUgHT,
MS CLEO A SHAM FIFTY FIRST AND FOREMOST. I'M TALKIN' ABOUT ACTUAL EVENTS PREDICTED THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE IT'S TIME AND HAPPENED AS FORETOLD DOWN TO THE TEE.

AND ABOUT, "." My love for them is unconditional. I know one day they will branch off and make there own decisions. Some will align with my beliefs and morals, others will not. But my love is unchanging. What decision they make I do not approve of does not place them automatically in my bad graces" AND SAYIN' ""He who is not with me, is against me" or something like that. Some loving Father, eh" AS A CONTRADICTION MIgHT BE CONSTRUED BY YOU. YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT ARE ORIgINAL PLANS WERE HERE ON EARTH. THOSE gOT FUCCED UP. SO NOW WE HAVE TO ACCEPT HIS ONLY BEggOTTEN SON FOR A CHANCE. BUT THE CONTRADICTION I SEE IS YOU NOT gETTIN' THE MESSAgE RIgHT AND BASIN' YOUR IDEAS ON WHAT OTHAS CONVENTIONALLY THINK. YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO SEE IF THERE IS REALLY A CONTRADICTION AND NOT gO BY WHAT YOU HEARD AND ASSUME A THEME.

AND ABOUT THE gUIDELINES, WHERE YOU THINK YOUR MAMA gOT THEM FROM AND YOUR MAMA'S MAMA, AND SO FORTH?
 
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a) I was joking about Ms. Cleo but what about Nostradamus? Can't front on that.

b) I did come up with that on my own. I did when I was about 17 or so. "With me or I'ma banish yous to Hell" is not my idea of "love" more like a dictatorship.

c) Common knowledge.
 

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DEEP THOUgHT,
PEOPLE gOT COMMON KNOWLEDgE FROM SOMEWHERE.

NOSTRADAMUS I PERSONALLY BELIEVE WORSHIPPED THE DEVIL, BUT HE'S A DISTRACTION TO FOOL THE MASSES. JUST LIKE UFO SIgHTINgS, gHOSTS, SPIRITS, AND SPIRITUAL APPARITIONS.
 
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a) From common sense, I don't need the Bible to tell me it's wrong to kill someone. Ever heard of natural vs. man made laws?

b) What you think of him matters not, his predictions still stand,
that is my point.

?) "...UFO SIgHTINgS, gHOSTS, SPIRITS, AND SPIRITUAL APPARITIONS..."

You don't believe in these either?
 

HERESY

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i dont want anyone to take offense at this but one of the reasons i chose to make this album is because people have a WARPED and DISTORTED view of WHAT a GOD is WHO the GOD is WHAT he does AND his WAYS.

a lot of people have this CANDY COATED *sissy* view of YHWH. as if he is all loving and WRONG for casting a person to hell......

that person CHOSE to go to hell. keep in mind that when EL SHATAN and the rest of the STARS fell from the ESTATE a place was made for them. for punishment.

the angels were punished for iniquities and man will be punished also. YHWH is HOLY AND JUST. YES HE IS LOVING AND LONG SUFFERING. HIS WAYS ARE NOT THE WAYS OF MAN. SOME OF YOU MAY VIEW PUNISHMENT IN HELL/LAKE OF FIRE AS BEING "WRONG" BECAUSE

A.YOU DONT KNOW HIM
B.YOU DONT KNOW HIS WAYS
C.YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD

payment for sin is REQUIRED. it was required from adam it was required from david its required from you.

OUR GOAL IS TO GET BACK TO OUR "ORIGINAL" STATE. FELLOWSHIP WITH THE CREATOR,HARMONY,BLISS,UTOPIA ETC ETC ETC. TO GIVE HIM PRAISE AND WORSHIP.

THIS IS A *WAR* AND IF YOU ARE NOT FOR HIM YOU ARE AGAINST HIM. IF YOU ARE LUKEWARM YOU GET SPIT OUT. YOU ARE EITHER HOT OR COLD.

I HAVE A CALL NOW BRB



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<--- "C.YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD"

Or at least severly crippled. Too much fucked up shit happening in the world for me to belive God truly loves his children. Everything happens for a reason? A child get raped, beaten, and murdered and there is suposed to be some divine lesson in this? Spare me your "mysterious ways" reset because it carries no weight here.

I do believe in something. I call it "God" but only for lack of a better term. But I also firmly believe he is not nearly as all-knowing or powerful as he is made out to be. At best he's a self centered, really powerful, mad scientist and we are nothing more than guinne pigs in some sick twisted plot to see how much shock we can take.

Just a murky tank of sea-monkeys in a corner of his living room.
 

EDJ

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DEEP THOUgHT,
YOU STRESSED, "a) From common sense, I don't need the Bible to tell me it's wrong to kill someone. Ever heard of natural vs. man made laws?
WHAT ARE NATURAL LAWS? WHERE DID THEY COME FROM?

AND THEN YOU WENT ON TO STRESS, "b) What you think of him matters not, his predictions still stand,
that is my point."

WHAT WERE HIS PREDICTIONS? WERE THEY gENERAL OR SPECIFIC?

AND THEN YOU gO ON TO STRESS, "...UFO SIgHTINgS, gHOSTS, SPIRITS, AND SPIRITUAL APPARITIONS..."

You don't believe in these either?

I BELIEVE WHATEVA PEOPLE HAVE ENCOUNTERED WERE ACTUALLY SOMETHIN' BUT NOT WHAT THEY PERCEIVED IT AS. I BELIEVE THEY ALL CAME FROM THE SAME SOURCE.

HERESY,

YOU STRESSED, "a lot of people have this CANDY COATED *sissy* view of YHWH. as if he is all loving and WRONG for casting a person to hell.....

THAT'S ASSUMIN' THAT THERE IS SUCH AN ACTUAL AND LITERAL PLACE. BUT I'M LOL THAT YOU SAYIN' A LOT OF FOLK LOOK AT YHWH AS BEIN' A SISSY. LOL MAN, HE IS A gOD OF LOVE AND YES A gOD THAT IS JUST. BUT BEIN' A gOD OF LOVE DON'T MAKE HIM TO BE SISSIFIED BY HUMAN STANDARDS. IF HE IS JUST, THEN CASTIN' SOMEONE TO TORTURE FOREVER IN A LAKE OF FIRE FOR A MERE APPROXIMATE 80 YEARS OF SIN OR NOT DOIN' HIS WILL IS NOT JUST. THAT TORTURE SHIT SOUND LIKE SOME MIDEVIL SHIT. I STILL CAN'T LOgICALLY DIgEST THAT SHIT. IT DON'T MAKE SENSE. AND THAT'S ONE REASON A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN FOLLOW RELIgION CAUSE OF DOCTRINES LIKE THAT.

AND THEN YOU STRESS, "that person CHOSE to go to hell. keep in mind that when EL SHATAN and the rest of the STARS fell from the ESTATE a place was made for them. for punishment.

the angels were punished for iniquities and man will be punished also

HOW CAN YOU PUT MAN IN THE SAME CIRCLE AS SATAN AND HIS FALLEN ANgELS? IS A MERE MAN AS POWERFUL AND EVIL AS A SPIRIT? TO SUFFER THE SAME FATE?

AND THEN YOU STRESS, "SOME OF YOU MAY VIEW PUNISHMENT IN HELL/LAKE OF FIRE AS BEING "WRONG" BECAUSE

A.YOU DONT KNOW HIM
B.YOU DONT KNOW HIS WAYS
C.YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD
THAT AIN'T EVEN IT. CAUSE I KNOW YHWH AND HIS WAYS. MAYBE I'M NOT FOLLOWIN' THEM OR DOIN' HIS WILL, BUT I KNOW WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF. HOW MANY EVEN KNOW HIS NAME? I DO AND THAT RIgHT THERE IS 51 STEPS AHEAD OF WHAT MOST THINK.

AND THEN YOU gO ON WITH, "payment for sin is REQUIRED. it was required from adam it was required from david its required from you.

AND YESHUA(JESUS) WAS OUR SACRIFICE SO THRU HIM WE WOULD HAVE THAT CHANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE. SO OUR "WAgES OF SIN IS DEATH". WHETHER WE MAKE IT TO BE IN ETERNAL LIFE IS UP TO HIM TO JUDgE US. IF NOT IT'S ETERNAL DAMNATION.

AND THEN YOU STRESSED, "OUR GOAL IS TO GET BACK TO OUR "ORIGINAL" STATE".

I AgREE. MANS ORIgINAL STATE WAS PERFECTION HERE ON EARTH, A PARADISE.


ON ANOTHA NOTE, gET AT ME HERESY, I NEED YOUR HELP AND gUIDANCE.
 
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EDJ said:
WHAT ARE NATURAL LAWS? WHERE DID THEY COME FROM?
WHAT WERE HIS PREDICTIONS? WERE THEY gENERAL OR SPECIFIC?
I BELIEVE WHATEVA PEOPLE HAVE ENCOUNTERED WERE ACTUALLY SOMETHIN' BUT NOT WHAT THEY PERCEIVED IT AS. I BELIEVE THEY ALL CAME FROM THE SAME SOURCE.
a) This comes from a Criminal Law class I took. Basically "natural laws" cover things that are crimes against nature (i.e murder, rape, et al). The rest are "man-made laws" (i.e. speeding, smoking dope).

b) General in a sense that he would have been killed had he wrote them in plain english (you have to consider the time period he lived in). But yes, although riddlesque at times, they are pretty specific.

c) Your perceptions your reality.
 

EDJ

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DEEP THOUgHT,
SO WHO CONSIDERS THEM NATURAL LAWS? WHO FIRST CAME UP WITH THE TERM? HOW DID THEY BASE THESE THANgS?

gIVE ME THE SPECIFICS OF NOSTRADAMUS. BUT JUST LIKE SOME PSYCHICS DEAL WITH SPIRITS, I FEEL LIKE NOSTRADAMUS DID TOO.

BUT ANSWER THIS, CAUSE THIS CORRULATES BAK TO THE TOPIC OF ONE TRUTH. IF ALL THOSE THINgS MENTIONED ABOVE ARE TRUE THEN THEY CONTRADICT EACH OTHA RIgHT?

BUT YOU POSTED YOU OTHA STUFF AS I WAS TYPIN' THIS OTHA. NOW LET ME QUOTE AND PUT THANgS IN PERSPECTIVE.

YOU SAID, "Too much fucked up shit happening in the world for me to belive God truly loves his children. Everything happens for a reason? A child get raped, beaten, and murdered and there is suposed to be some divine lesson in this? Spare me your "mysterious ways" reset because it carries no weight here.

WHO SAID THERE WAS A LESSON IN THAT? THIS WHOLE WORLD IS WICCED AND IN THE HANDS OF THE WICCED AND IS RULED BY THE WICCED. (gOD) DOESN'T DO THESE THANgS. HE LET'S THANgS HAPPEN. WE LIVIN' IN THE LAST DAYS AND THESE TIMES WERE PREDICTED. PERSONALLY YOU MIgHT NOT COMPREHEND WHY THESE THANgS HAPPEN AND NEITHER DO I. BUT DON'T BLAME IT ON (gOD) CAUSE HE AIN'T gOT SHIT TO DO WITH IT. THIS WORLD IS FUCCED OFF N-E-WAY, SO BEIN' AWAY FROM THIS WORLD IS BETTER THAN BEIN' HERE.

AND THEN YOU SAY, "I do believe in something. I call it "God" but only for lack of a better term."

WHAT IS THIS (gOD)? WHERE DID THAT TERM COME FROM? IS THAT REALLY HIS NAME?

AND THEN YOU SAY, ". But I also firmly believe he is not nearly as all-knowing or powerful as he is made out to be."

WHY YOU SAY THAT? HOW IS HE MADE OUT TO BE? WHAT MAKES YOU STAND FIRMLY TO THAT?

AND THEN YOU gO ON TO STRESS, "At best he's a self centered, really powerful, mad scientist and we are nothing more than guinne pigs in some sick twisted plot to see how much shock we can take.

WHY HE gOT TO BE A MAD SCIENTIST? HOW IS HE SELF CENTERED WHEN HE MADE US? HE COULD'VE JUST NEVER MADE MAN PERIOD OR gAVE US FREE-WILL. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE N-E OF OUR FIVE SENSES. WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A BRAIN. WHY DID HE MAKE US TO HIS IMAgE? IF SELF-CENTERED HE WOULD OF MADE US ALL INTO BEASTS. IF HE WAS SELF CENTERED, HE WOULDN'T MADE LIFE POSSIBLE TO BE DELIgHTFUL. THAT NUT YOU BUSTED DON'T HAVE TO BE PLEASURABLE FOR YOU TO REPRODUCE. THAT BOMB ASS FOOD YOU ATE DIDN'T HAVE TO TASTE SO gOOD FOR YOU TO DIgEST AND SURVIVE. THAT MUSIC YOU HEARD DIDN'T HAVE TO SOUND SO RHYTHMIC FOR YOU TO BE EVEN ABLE TO COMMUNICATE.

SO YOU SAYIN' (gOD) IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR SUFFERIN' HERE ON EARTH?
 
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SO WHO CONSIDERS THEM NATURAL LAWS? WHO FIRST CAME UP WITH THE TERM? HOW DID THEY BASE THESE THANgS?
They are self evident.
gIVE ME THE SPECIFICS OF NOSTRADAMUS. BUT JUST LIKE SOME PSYCHICS DEAL WITH SPIRITS, I FEEL LIKE NOSTRADAMUS DID TOO.
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BUT ANSWER THIS, CAUSE THIS CORRULATES BAK TO THE TOPIC OF ONE TRUTH. IF ALL THOSE THINgS MENTIONED ABOVE ARE TRUE THEN THEY CONTRADICT EACH OTHA RIgHT?
What's that?
WHO SAID THERE WAS A LESSON IN THAT?
Every Bible thumper worth his weight in tithes.
THIS WHOLE WORLD IS WICCED AND IN THE HANDS OF THE WICCED AND IS RULED BY THE WICCED.
Funny, I thought God was in charge?
(gOD) DOESN'T DO THESE THANgS. HE LET'S THANgS HAPPEN.
Not much difference there.
PERSONALLY YOU MIgHT NOT COMPREHEND WHY THESE THANgS HAPPEN AND NEITHER DO I. BUT DON'T BLAME IT ON (gOD) CAUSE HE AIN'T gOT SHIT TO DO WITH IT.
How can you type that with any conviction?
THIS WORLD IS FUCCED OFF N-E-WAY, SO BEIN' AWAY FROM THIS WORLD IS BETTER THAN BEIN' HERE.
Niiiiiiiiiice. :rolleyes:
WHAT IS THIS (gOD)? WHERE DID THAT TERM COME FROM? IS THAT REALLY HIS NAME?
a) I just said I don't know.
b) Before my time.
c) How would I know?
WHY YOU SAY THAT? HOW IS HE MADE OUT TO BE? WHAT MAKES YOU STAND FIRMLY TO THAT?
a) No one can be THAT cruel on purpose.
b) Read the Bible.
c) I don't, it's a theory.
WHY HE gOT TO BE A MAD SCIENTIST?
The constant sick and twisted "tests".
HOW IS HE SELF CENTERED WHEN HE MADE. US?
"Thall shalt have no god before me".
HE COULD'VE JUST NEVER MADE MAN PERIOD OR gAVE US FREE-WILL.
Then who would praise him. And why give free will if you already know what you want?
WHY DID HE MAKE US TO HIS IMAgE?
He had a mirror handy?
IF SELF-CENTERED HE WOULD OF MADE US ALL INTO BEASTS.
Like we're not.
IF HE WAS SELF CENTERED, HE WOULDN'T MADE LIFE POSSIBLE TO BE DELIgHTFUL.
Your assuming he did.
THAT NUT YOU BUSTED DON'T HAVE TO BE PLEASURABLE FOR YOU TO REPRODUCE. THAT BOMB ASS FOOD YOU ATE DIDN'T HAVE TO TASTE SO gOOD FOR YOU TO DIgEST AND SURVIVE. THAT MUSIC YOU HEARD DIDN'T HAVE TO SOUND SO RHYTHMIC FOR YOU TO BE EVEN ABLE TO COMMUNICATE.
So God enjoys bustin fatties, Mexican food, and Sade?
SO YOU SAYIN' (gOD) IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR SUFFERIN' HERE ON EARTH?
Well if he DOES have the power to stop it, he doesn't. Maybe he get's off on pain and suffering?

If God is all powerful, can he create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?
 

HERESY

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ZERO!!!!!!!!!

@edj you said
THAT'S ASSUMIN' THAT THERE IS SUCH AN ACTUAL AND LITERAL PLACE
i gave you the words RESEARCH THEM.

BUT I'M LOL THAT YOU SAYIN' A LOT OF FOLK LOOK AT YHWH AS BEIN' A SISSY. LOL MAN, HE IS A gOD OF LOVE AND YES A gOD THAT IS JUST. BUT BEIN' A gOD OF LOVE DON'T MAKE HIM TO BE SISSIFIED BY HUMAN STANDARDS. IF HE IS JUST, THEN CASTIN' SOMEONE TO TORTURE FOREVER IN A LAKE OF FIRE FOR A MERE APPROXIMATE 80 YEARS OF SIN OR NOT DOIN' HIS WILL IS NOT JUST.
edj are you BLIND???????? SERIOUSLY ARE YOU BLIND?????? LOOK AT WHAT I TYPED.GO BACK AND READ MY POST AGAIN. HELL OR WHEREVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY MADE FOR MAN . HELL OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT WAS MADE FOR THE FALLEN ANGELS . THE BIBLE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT IF HE DIDNT SPARE THE ANGELS WHO REBELLED HE WILL NOT SPARE MAN. END OF DICUSSION EDJ. YOU CAN ARGUE WITH THE SCRIPTURES IF YOU WANT BUT TO ME ITS REALLY NO DEBATE. THE SISSY COMMENT WASNT DIRECTED AT YOU BUT NOW I CAN SAFELY SAY THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A SISSY POINT OF VIEW.


A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD OR JESUS OR WHATEVER THINK THAT YOU DONT HAVE TO GET PERSECUTED. THEY THINK YOU DONT HAVE TO GO THROUGH SERIOUS AFFLICATIONS. THATS CONFLICTING WITH SCRIPTURE. CHRIST SUFFERED. WHY WONT YOU? THE BEAST AND FALSE PROPHET ARE CAST IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHY WONT YOU? HERES ANOTHER ONE REVELATION 20:12-15.

THIS VERSE 15 AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. END OF DISCUSSION. YOU CAN TAKE SCRIPTURE APPLY IT AS YOU WANT AND TWIST IT TO VALIDATE YOUR VIEWS. REMEMBER WHEN YOU DO THAT TO PAY ATTENTION TO STERN WARNING IN REVELATION 22:18-19

HOW CAN YOU PUT MAN IN THE SAME CIRCLE AS SATAN AND HIS FALLEN ANgELS? IS A MERE MAN AS POWERFUL AND EVIL AS A SPIRIT? TO SUFFER THE SAME FATE?
IF YOU ARE IN SIN YOU ARE IN ****REBELLION**** AGAINST GOD. IF YOU ARE IN ****REBELLION**** AGAINST GOD YOU ARE AT ****WAR**** WITH GOD. IF YOU ARE AT ****WAR**** WITH GOD YOU ARE AN ****ENEMY**** OF GOD. IF YOU DONT HAVE A ****BLOOD SACRIFICE**** THAT ATONES FOR YOUR ****SIN****YOU ARE REQUIRED TO PAY WITH ****YOUR OWN****. YOU ACCEPT THE COVERING OR YOU DONT. I DIDNT PLACE MAN IN THE SAME CIRCLE AS THE FALLEN ONES. YESHUA HIMSELF DID (AS YOU WILL SEE LATER ON).

IS A MERE MAN AS POWERFUL AND EVIL TO SUFFER THE SAME FATE? FALLEN MAN AND FALLEN ANGELS........MAN WAS NOT MADE FOR HELL/LAKE OF FIRE. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TYPE IT??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? HOW HARD IS THIS TO GRASP??????????????????? MAN WAS MADE "LOWER" THAN THE ANGELS. UNTIL YOU HAVE A CONCEPT OF SIN,LIFE AND DEATH THIS IS OVER YOUR HEAD.

AND THEN YOU STRESS, "SOME OF YOU MAY VIEW PUNISHMENT IN HELL/LAKE OF FIRE AS BEING "WRONG" BECAUSE A.YOU DONT KNOW HIM
B.YOU DONT KNOW HIS WAYS
C.YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD
THAT AIN'T EVEN IT. CAUSE I KNOW YHWH AND HIS WAYS. MAYBE I'M NOT FOLLOWIN' THEM OR DOIN' HIS WILL, BUT I KNOW WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF. HOW MANY EVEN KNOW HIS NAME? I DO AND THAT RIgHT THERE IS 51 STEPS AHEAD OF WHAT MOST THINK.

1.IF YOU KNOW HIM YOU KNOW HIS VOICE

2.IF YOU KNOW HIS WAYS YOU WILL KNOW WHY MAN WILL BE CAST IN HELL AND YOU WONT FIND A REASON TO GET AROUND IT.

3.WHEN YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD YOU WILL LOOK FOR "LOGIC" INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY READING AND ASKING THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR GUIDENCE. WHEN YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD YOU WILL IGNORE THE SCRIPTURES THAT YOU CLAIM TO BELIEVE.


AND YESHUA(JESUS) WAS OUR SACRIFICE SO THRU HIM WE WOULD HAVE THAT CHANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE. SO OUR "WAgES OF SIN IS DEATH". WHETHER WE MAKE IT TO BE IN ETERNAL LIFE IS UP TO HIM TO JUDgE US. IF NOT IT'S ETERNAL DAMNATION.
NO ITS NOT UP TO HIM. THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT. ITS ON YOU TO ACCEPT OR DENY THE GOSPEL. ETERNAL LIFE OR ETERNAL DEATH? HIS WAY OR YOUR WAY? WHICH IS IT? WHICH GOES LEFT AND WHICH GOES RIGHT? WHAT IS "ETERNAL DAMNATION"??????


HERE YOU GO:

STRONGS NUMBER 166

ETERNAL: aijwvnioß

TRANSLITERATED: Aionios

1.without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be

2.without beginning

3.without end, never to cease, everlasting

THIS WORD IS USED IN 71 TIMES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. EACH TIME IT IS USED TO DESCRIBE "PUNISHMENT" DEFINITION 3 IS USED.


NOW HERE IS YOUR OTHER WORD:

Strong's Number 2920

DAMNATION: krivsiß

TRANSLITERATED: Krisis

1.a separating, sundering, separation
A. trial, contest

2.selection

3.judgment
A. opinion or decision given concerning anything
1. esp. concerning justice and injustice, right or wrong

B.sentence of condemnation, damnatory judgment, condemnation and punishment

4.the college of judges (a tribunal of seven men in the several cities of Palestine; as distinguished from the Sanhedrin, which had its seat at Jerusalem)

5.right, justice


48 TIMES THIS HAS BEEN USED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. WHENEVER THE WORD ETERNAL WAS WRITTEN AND FOLLOWED BY DAMNATION OR WHENEVER IT DEALT WITH THE AFTERLIFE, SIN OR PERDITION

DEFINITION 1,3 AND 5 WERE USED.

PLACE THEM TOGETHER AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE?

ETERNAL SEPERATION FROM GOD (READ ABOUT LAZURUS AND THE RICH MAN AND HOW THEY WERE *SEPERATED*)

ETERNAL PUNISHMENT. (READ ABOUT LAZURUS AND THE RICH MAN AND HOW HE WAS *PUNISHED*)

EVERLASTING JUDGEMENT,EVERLASTING SEPERATION,EVERLASTING DAMNATORY PUNISHMENT,EVERLASTING CONDEMNATION.

YOU CHOSE THE WORDS "ETERNAL DAMNATION". NOT ME. THIS CONTRADICTS WITH YOUR BELIEFS. YOU HAVE THE DEFINITION OF ETERNAL DAMNATION RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.

YESHUA HIMSELF PREACHED ABOUT HELL. HELL AND JUDGEMENT IS SPOKEN OF IN THE NEW TESTAMENT OVER 400 TIMES.

HERE ARE THE WORDS OF YESHUA:

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"Matthew 25:41.

NOW IF HE IS TELLING MAN TO DEPART TO FIRE WHICH IS PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL WHAT IS YOUR ARGUEMENT????? WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU ASKING OR TRYING TO PROVE BECAUSE LOGICALLY YOU MAKE NO SENSE AT ALL.


HERE ARE MORE WORDS FROM YESHUA:

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for the to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." Mark 9:43-44.


IF THE FIRE OF HELL IS NEVER TO BE QUENCHED WHERE IS YOUR SCRIPTURE TO PROVE THAT IT IS??????? IF YESHUA HIMSELF PREACHED ABOUT HELL 13 TIMES TO EVER 1 TIME HE PREACHED OF HEAVEN HOW CAN YOU SAY HELL IS NOT REAL (FROM A SCRIPTURAL STANDPOINT).

EITHER YESHUA WAS A LIAR/NUTCASE FOR PREACHING ABOUT HELL OR YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT EDJ. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BACK YOUR VIEWS WITH THE SCRIPTURE YOU HAVE NO VIEWS. YOU KILLED YOUR ARGUEMENT WHEN YOU SAID "ETERNAL DAMNATION".

THE DEFINITION OF ETERNAL DAMNATION DOES NOT SUPPORT/ENDORSE YOUR BELIEFS.

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hey who wants to join my religion....ive started my own cuz im tired of hearing all this scandals about the people who run the church....
i am also making it because i want people to have a set foundation on which they make theyre beliefs...as far as i can see, we dont have a religion yet that does that
come one, come all step right up
 

EDJ

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HERESY,

YOU STRESSED, "i gave you the words RESEARCH THEM."

FA SHO PLAYA. WAIT TIL I CAN FULLY DEDICATE MY TIME TO THIS. BUT I DOUBT IF THE LOgIC ABOUT HELL BEIN' AN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORMENT EXISTS. I WILL NEVA ACCEPT SUCH FALSE DOCTRINE. "IF" IT SO HAPPENS THAT YOU RIgHT, MAY I ROT IN SUCH A PLACE CAUSE I NEVA WILL BELIEVE IN IT OR FOR A CREATOR TO BE SO CRUEL TO HIS CREATIONS.

THEN YOU STRESS, "edj are you BLIND???????? SERIOUSLY ARE YOU BLIND??????
NO I'M NOT. IN FACT I BELIEVE I'M MORE AWARE OF WHAT'S gOIN' IN THIS WORLD MORE THAN A LOT OF FOLKS. I BELIEVE I KNOW THE TRUTH BUT REFUSE TO ACCEPT (gOD) IN TO MY LIFE AND FOLLOW HIS WAYS CAUSE I CAN'T BE A HIPOCRITE.

AND THEN YOU STRESS, "LOOK AT WHAT I TYPED.GO BACK AND READ MY POST AGAIN. HELL OR WHEREVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY MADE FOR MAN . HELL OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT WAS MADE FOR THE FALLEN ANGELS . THE BIBLE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT IF HE DIDNT SPARE THE ANGELS WHO REBELLED HE WILL NOT SPARE MAN."

I WILL gO BAK AND READ THIS POST AgAIN AND COME WITH SCRIPTURES AND THE WHOLE NINE HERESY. I PROMISE. BUT KNOW THAT WHEN(gOD) SAYS SOMETHIN' IT'S DONE. HE DON'T gO BAK ON NOTHIN' OR CHANgES N-E-THANg. SO IF THE PIT WAS MADE FOR FALLEN ANgELS THEN THAT'S WHAT IT IS FOR. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU LINKED THE TWO.

THEN YOU STRESS, "THE SISSY COMMENT WASNT DIRECTED AT YOU BUT NOW I CAN SAFELY SAY THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A SISSY POINT OF VIEW.

FIFTY FIRST OF ALL WHAT IS A SISSY CUZZ? WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF A SISSY? WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY YOUR COMMENT? I NEVA LOOK AT SHIT FROM NO SISSY POINT OF VIEW. I'M gOIN' BY WHAT SCRIPTURES STRESS. JESUS SPOKE ABOUT LOVE AND THAT IT SUPERCEDES THE "OLD LAW". SO YOU SAYIN' CAUSE JESUS STRESS THAT THAT HE WAS TEACHIN' SISSY VIEWS? CAUSE HE SAID TO TURN THE OTHA CHEEK YOU SAYIN' HE WAS STRESSIN' SOME SISSY SHIT? CAUSE HE PREACHED ABOUT BEIN' HUMBLE AND LOVIN' YOUR ENEMY AS YOURSELF HE PREACHED SOME SISSY SHIT?

THEN YOU STRESSED. "A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD OR JESUS OR WHATEVER THINK THAT YOU DONT HAVE TO GET PERSECUTED. THEY THINK YOU DONT HAVE TO GO THROUGH SERIOUS AFFLICATIONS. THATS CONFLICTING WITH SCRIPTURE. CHRIST SUFFERED. WHY WONT YOU?"

I AgREE. A LOT DO THINK THAT WAY BUT THE TRUE FOLLOWERS HAVE BEEN, ARE, AND WILL BE PERSECUTED BY THIS WORLD. ME PERSONALLY, WHEN I START FOLLOWIN' THE FOOTSTEPS OF CHRIST(IF I EVA DECIDE TO gO THAT ROUTE), I KNOW FA SHO I WILL BE PERSECUTED. SATAN MAKIN' SHO OF THAT.

AND THEN YOU gO ON TO SAY, "THE BEAST AND FALSE PROPHET ARE CAST IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHY WONT YOU? CAUSE THAT'S SYMBOLIC AND I DON'T BELIEVE A SYMBOLIC PLACE TO BE AN ACTUAL PLACE FOR ME TO HEAD DOWN TO.

AND THEN YOU STRESS, " THIS VERSE 15 AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. END OF DISCUSSION. YOU CAN TAKE SCRIPTURE APPLY IT AS YOU WANT AND TWIST IT TO VALIDATE YOUR VIEWS. REMEMBER WHEN YOU DO THAT TO PAY ATTENTION TO STERN WARNING IN REVELATION 22:18-19"

WE CAN gO ON AND DEBATE THIS BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE YOUR INTERPRETATION. I BELIEVE THE LAKE OF FIRE TO BE SYMBOLIC AND NOT AN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORTURE. BUT WE WILL LACE EACH OTHA AND FIND THE TRUTH PLAYA. I PROMISE I'LL COME BAK TO YOU ON THIS AND gIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ON THIS.

AND THEN YOU STRESS, "IF YOU ARE IN SIN YOU ARE IN ****REBELLION**** AGAINST GOD. IF YOU ARE IN ****REBELLION**** AGAINST GOD YOU ARE AT ****WAR**** WITH GOD. IF YOU ARE AT ****WAR**** WITH GOD YOU ARE AN ****ENEMY**** OF GOD. IF YOU DONT HAVE A ****BLOOD SACRIFICE**** THAT ATONES FOR YOUR ****SIN****YOU ARE REQUIRED TO PAY WITH ****YOUR OWN****. YOU ACCEPT THE COVERING OR YOU DONT. I DIDNT PLACE MAN IN THE SAME CIRCLE AS THE FALLEN ONES. YESHUA HIMSELF DID (AS YOU WILL SEE LATER ON).

SO IN YOUR UNDA-STANDIN' WE ALL (gOD'S) ENEMY CAUSE WE ARE ALL SINNERS. WE SIN EVERYDAY. WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF SIN? WHAT IS SIN? ARE BLOOD SACRIFICE WAS JESUS CHRIST. THRU HIM WE HAVE THE CHANCE OF RESURRECTION(ONLY IF WE ACCEPT HIM).

AND THEN YOU STRESS, "MAN WAS NOT MADE FOR HELL/LAKE OF FIRE. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TYPE IT??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? HOW HARD IS THIS TO GRASP??????????????????? MAN WAS MADE "LOWER" THAN THE ANGELS. UNTIL YOU HAVE A CONCEPT OF SIN,LIFE AND DEATH THIS IS OVER YOUR HEAD

I DO HAVE A CONCEPT OF IT AND IT IS BIBLE BASED. "THE LIVIN' ARE CONSCOUS THAT THEY ARE gONNA DIE, BUT THE DEAD ARE NOT CONSCIOUS AT ALL." BUT IT IS HARD FOR ME TO gRASP THE IDEA OF HELL BEIN' AN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORMENT FOR BAD PEOPLE AND EVIL DOERS TO BURN FOREVER. IT IS NOT JUST AND CONTRADICTS WHAT WE BEEN TAUgHT OF WHAT YHWH IS.

AND THEN YOU STRESS, "1.IF YOU KNOW HIM YOU KNOW HIS VOICE

2.IF YOU KNOW HIS WAYS YOU WILL KNOW WHY MAN WILL BE CAST IN HELL AND YOU WONT FIND A REASON TO GET AROUND IT.

3.WHEN YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD YOU WILL LOOK FOR "LOGIC" INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY READING AND ASKING THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR GUIDENCE. WHEN YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD YOU WILL IGNORE THE SCRIPTURES THAT YOU CLAIM TO BELIEVE.

1. I KNOW HIS WORD. THAT DON'T MEAN I HAVE PERSONALLY ACCEPTED IT. JUST LIKE SATAN KNOWS THE TRUTH AND THE WORD, THAT DON'T MEAN HE IS IN COMPLIANCE OR ADHEREIN' TO SUCH. I KNOW AM A SINNER AND WILLFULLY SINNIN' AND IF I DON'T REPENT THEN I WILL BE CUT OFF FOREVA. I KNOW THIS.

X. HIS WAYS DON'T DICTATE MAN BEIN' IN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORMENT. YOU INTERPRETATION gOT YOU BELIEVIN' THAT. HIS WAY IS NOT OF MIDEVIL MEN WHO SEEK TO TORTURE THEIR ENEMIES. WHAT PURPOSE WOULD THAT ACCOMPLISH? AND I gETTIN AROUND NATHAN. THE INTRODUCTION OF HELL BEIN' A PLACE OF TORMENT IS A FALSE DOCTRINE. I WILL BRINg YOU RESEARCH TO PROVE HOW THAT DOCTRINE WAS FORMED AND BROUgHT UNTO CHRISTIAN WAYS.

#3. I AM NOT IgNORIN' THE SCRIPTURES. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEBATE THEM AND I AIN'T NO POSITION TO DO SO. MAYBE AT THE PRESENT TIME I AM SPIRITUALLY DEAD, AND I HOPE I CAN BE REVIVED. BUT BELIEVIN' IN A PLACE OF TORMENT TO TRY TO BE gOOD IS NOT IT. (gOD) IS A gOD OF FEAR, LIKE WHEN A CHILD FEARS HIS FATHER THAT HE IS gONNA DISPLEASE HIM AND BRINg SHAME TO HIM CAUSE HE WANTS HIS FATHER TO BE PROUD OF HIM. NOT THE FEAR THAT HE HAS TO BE gOOD OR ELSE HE gONNA BURN FOREVER IN A LAKE OF FIRE.

AND THE SCRIPTURES MUST BE LOOKED ON TO BE INTERPRETED AND MAKE SENSE IN EVERY WHICH WAY. FROM THE RESEARCH, THE INTERPRETATION, THE FACTS, PROPHECIES, TO THE LOgIC OF IT. EVERYTHANg HAS TO BE ON POINT OR ELSE IT AIN'T.

AND ABOUT ETERNAL DAMNATION. I WON'T WASTE SPACE TO QUOTE YOUR LONg RESEARCHED WORDS BUT YOU BEST SAID IT WHEN IT SAID TO BE "SEPERATED FOREVER". THAT BEIN' SAID, THAT DON'T MEAN YOU gONNA BE TORTURED FOREVA. BUT YOU HAVE STRESSED YOUR INTERPRETATION AND AS I SAID BEFORE, I AIN'T IN NO POSITION TO TRY TO PREACH OR DISCREDIT WHAT YOU BELIEVE. BUT I WILL COME BAK TO THIS WHEN I AM SPIRITUALLY ALIVE AND HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO BAK ME UP ON WHAT IS THE TRUTH, SCRIPTURES, RESEARCH,KNOWLEDgE AND ALL. I FEEL WE CAN STUDY AND COME UP WITH THANgS TOgETHA BROTHA. LET ME FINISH ENJOYIN' THE FRUITS OF THE FLESH AND TRY TO SEEK YAHWEH WHEN I'M READY. RIgHT NOW IT'S SEEMS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

THE RIPPA,
YOUR SARCASM IS TASTELESS. WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN?
 

HERESY

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I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY THAT THE MESSIAH PREACHED ABOUT A "SYMBOLIC" HELL 13 TIMES TO EVERY "HEAVEN" SERMON. I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY THAT THE 400 *PLUS* REFERENCES TO HELL OR THE LAKE OF FIRE IS SYMBOLIC. ESPECIALLY AFTER STUDYING THE GREEK LATIN AND HEBREW WORDS. THIS ENDS.

HERE ARE THE WORDS OF YESHUA: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"Matthew 25:41.

EDJ IF YOU CANNOT FIND BOBLICAL EVIDENCE TO DEBUNK A LITERAL HELL YOU ARE BELIEVING SOMETHING JUST TO BE BELIEVING IT.

HERE ARE THE WORDS OF YESHUA: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"Matthew 25:41.

IF YESHUA SAID HELL IS REAL HOW CAN YOU SAY ITS NOT REAL?

HERE ARE THE WORDS OF YESHUA: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"Matthew 25:41.


THEY SAY THE GREATEST TRICK THE DEVIL PULLED WAS MAKING PEOPLE BELIEVE HE DIDNT EXIST. NOW IT SEEMS LIKE HE HAS TAKEN IT A STEP FURTHER.......


I WILL gO BAK AND READ THIS POST AgAIN AND COME WITH SCRIPTURES AND THE WHOLE NINE HERESY. I PROMISE. BUT KNOW THAT WHEN(gOD) SAYS SOMETHIN' IT'S DONE. HE DON'T gO BAK ON NOTHIN' OR CHANgES N-E-THANg. SO IF THE PIT WAS MADE FOR FALLEN ANgELS THEN THAT'S WHAT IT IS FOR. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU LINKED THE TWO.
ONCE AGAIN ARE YOU BLIND? I DIDNT LINK THE TWO. YESHUA DID HERE HAVE A LOOK:

HERE ARE THE WORDS OF YESHUA: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"Matthew 25:41.



FIFTY FIRST OF ALL WHAT IS A SISSY CUZZ? WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF A SISSY? WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY YOUR COMMENT? I NEVA LOOK AT SHIT FROM NO SISSY POINT OF VIEW. I'M gOIN' BY WHAT SCRIPTURES STRESS. JESUS SPOKE ABOUT LOVE AND THAT IT SUPERCEDES THE "OLD LAW". SO YOU SAYIN' CAUSE JESUS STRESS THAT THAT HE WAS TEACHIN' SISSY VIEWS? CAUSE HE SAID TO TURN THE OTHA CHEEK YOU SAYIN' HE WAS STRESSIN' SOME SISSY SHIT? CAUSE HE PREACHED ABOUT BEIN' HUMBLE AND LOVIN' YOUR ENEMY AS YOURSELF HE PREACHED SOME SISSY SHIT?
NOPE NOT AT ALL. ITS NOTHING LIKE THAT. LOOK AT THE "AVERAGE" PICTURE OF "JESUS" ON A CROSS. HE LOOKS LIKE A PUNK AND LIKE HE IS DEFEATED. CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ALL LOVING AND THAT HE WONT PUNISH YOU OR LET YOU MAKE YOUR OWN BED.......THATS FAR FROM TEH TRUTH.


IF HE WATCHED YESHUA GO THROUGH PAIN WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU WONT GO THROUH PAIN? IF HE ALLOWED THE ANGEL OF DEATH TO SMITE ALL THE FIRST BORN IN EGYPT WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU WONT BE PUNISHED? IF ALL WHO ARE IN REBELLION ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE HOW CAN YOU SAY THATS NOT REAL? IF YESHUA SAID IT HOW CAN YOU SAY ITS NOT LOGICAL???? YOU NEED TO START LOOKING AT IT FOR WHAT IT IS. WAR. NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS AND IF SOMEONE IS HELLBOUND AND THEY ARE LOST SO BE IT.


CHRISTIANS HAVE A CANDY COATED VERSION.......WHEN THE GREAT FALLING AWAY STARTS (PROBABLY ALREADY HAS) MANY CHRISTIANS WILL FALL BECAUSE THEY WILL SAY "I THOUGHT GOD WAS GOING TO HELP US".

IF YOU CANNOT BEAR YOUR CROSS YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR THE KINGDOM. I DIDNT SAY IT. YESHUA SAID. WANT TO KNOW WHAT ELSE HE SAID???

HERE ARE THE WORDS OF YESHUA: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"Matthew 25:41.

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AND THEN YOU gO ON TO SAY, "THE BEAST AND FALSE PROPHET ARE CAST IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHY WONT YOU? CAUSE THAT'S SYMBOLIC AND I DON'T BELIEVE A SYMBOLIC PLACE TO BE AN ACTUAL PLACE FOR ME TO HEAD DOWN TO.
PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW IT IS SYMBOLIC.

I DO HAVE A CONCEPT OF IT AND IT IS BIBLE BASED. "THE LIVIN' ARE CONSCOUS THAT THEY ARE gONNA DIE, BUT THE DEAD ARE NOT CONSCIOUS AT ALL." BUT IT IS HARD FOR ME TO gRASP THE IDEA OF HELL BEIN' AN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORMENT FOR BAD PEOPLE AND EVIL DOERS TO BURN FOREVER. IT IS NOT JUST AND CONTRADICTS WHAT WE BEEN TAUgHT OF WHAT YHWH IS.
EDJ YOU SEEM LIKE A JAY-HOVAHS WITNESS.

THE BODY SLEEPS. THE SOUL AND SPIRIT LIVE ON. THE DEAD KNOW EXACTLY WHATS GOING ON AND WHAT YOU LISTED IS ACTUALLY SYMBOLIC. NOT LITERAL.

1. I KNOW HIS WORD. THAT DON'T MEAN I HAVE PERSONALLY ACCEPTED IT. JUST LIKE SATAN KNOWS THE TRUTH AND THE WORD, THAT DON'T MEAN HE IS IN COMPLIANCE OR ADHEREIN' TO SUCH. I KNOW AM A SINNER AND WILLFULLY SINNIN' AND IF I DON'T REPENT THEN I WILL BE CUT OFF FOREVA. I KNOW THIS.
SO IF YOU ARE CUT OFF YOU ARE CUT OFF. IF YOU DONT ACCEPT YOU DONT ACCEPT......
X. HIS WAYS DON'T DICTATE MAN BEIN' IN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORMENT. YOU INTERPRETATION gOT YOU BELIEVIN' THAT. HIS WAY IS NOT OF MIDEVIL MEN WHO SEEK TO TORTURE THEIR ENEMIES. WHAT PURPOSE WOULD THAT ACCOMPLISH? AND I gETTIN AROUND NATHAN. THE INTRODUCTION OF HELL BEIN' A PLACE OF TORMENT IS A FALSE DOCTRINE. I WILL BRINg YOU RESEARCH TO PROVE HOW THAT DOCTRINE WAS FORMED AND BROUgHT UNTO CHRISTIAN WAYS.
NO ACTUALLY ITS NOT MY VERSION. ITS THE 13 TO 1 RATIO. ITS THE FACT THAT JUDAISM DOES INDEED HAVE A HELL. ITS THE FACT THAT YESHUA PREACHED ABOUT HELL MORE TIMES THAN HE DID HEAVEN AND ITS THE FACT THAT IT IS LISTED AS A PLACE OF TORMENT OVER 400 TIMES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ALONE.


HERE YOU GO HERE ARE THE WORDS OF YESHUA: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"Matthew 25:41. SO I GUESS YESHUA WAS MAKING UP HIS OWN VERSIONS HUH?????

#3. I AM NOT IgNORIN' THE SCRIPTURES. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEBATE THEM AND I AIN'T NO POSITION TO DO SO. MAYBE AT THE PRESENT TIME I AM SPIRITUALLY DEAD, AND I HOPE I CAN BE REVIVED. BUT BELIEVIN' IN A PLACE OF TORMENT TO TRY TO BE gOOD IS NOT IT. (gOD) IS A gOD OF FEAR, LIKE WHEN A CHILD FEARS HIS FATHER THAT HE IS gONNA DISPLEASE HIM AND BRINg SHAME TO HIM CAUSE HE WANTS HIS FATHER TO BE PROUD OF HIM. NOT THE FEAR THAT HE HAS TO BE gOOD OR ELSE HE gONNA BURN FOREVER IN A LAKE OF FIRE.
NO DEBATE. YOU ARGUE WITH YESHUA NOT ME.


PEEP THIS OUT:HERE ARE THE WORDS OF YESHUA: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"Matthew 25:41.

AND THE SCRIPTURES MUST BE LOOKED ON TO BE INTERPRETED AND MAKE SENSE IN EVERY WHICH WAY. FROM THE RESEARCH, THE INTERPRETATION, THE FACTS, PROPHECIES, TO THE LOgIC OF IT. EVERYTHANg HAS TO BE ON POINT OR ELSE IT AIN'T.
OK WHAT I AM ABOUT TO TYPE IS VERY LOGICAL.


HERE ARE THE WORDS OF YESHUA: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"Matthew 25:41.


AND ABOUT ETERNAL DAMNATION. I WON'T WASTE SPACE TO QUOTE YOUR LONg RESEARCHED WORDS BUT YOU BEST SAID IT WHEN IT SAID TO BE "SEPERATED FOREVER". THAT BEIN' SAID, THAT DON'T MEAN YOU gONNA BE TORTURED FOREVA. BUT YOU HAVE STRESSED YOUR INTERPRETATION AND AS I SAID BEFORE, I AIN'T IN NO POSITION TO TRY TO PREACH OR DISCREDIT WHAT YOU BELIEVE. BUT I WILL COME BAK TO THIS WHEN I AM SPIRITUALLY ALIVE AND HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO BAK ME UP ON WHAT IS THE TRUTH, SCRIPTURES, RESEARCH,KNOWLEDgE AND ALL. I FEEL WE CAN STUDY AND COME UP WITH THANgS TOgETHA BROTHA. LET ME FINISH ENJOYIN' THE FRUITS OF THE FLESH AND TRY TO SEEK YAHWEH WHEN I'M READY. RIgHT NOW IT'S SEEMS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE
LAZRUS AND THE RICH MAN WERE SEPERATED. WHEN YOU STUDY THE APOCRYPHA AND THE BOOKS OF ENOCH YOU WILL SEE THAT YOU ARE SPERATED FROM GOD BECAUSE YOU ARE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE. WALK WHEN YOU ARE READY TO WALK. EAT MEAT WHEN YOU ARE READY TO DIGEST IT BRO......JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE FIG TREE HAS SHOWN HER LEAVES AND THEY ARE GREEN...........KEEP THAT IN MIND. GOD BLESS.......



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