Pac Vs. Marquez...... WTF

[2-0-Sixx]

what?? roach never asked margarito to take random drug testing before the fight. There was an issue the minutes before the fight margarito taking energy pills or hydroxycut or whatever it was he takes before fights that freaked roach out.

as for mosley get your facts straight. an interviewer asked roach if he would ask mosley to take additional drug tests and roach said only what is required by the state of nevada.

why are you even talking about mayweather? mayweather is not a factor it has nothing to with drug testing at this point floyd is OUT OF BOXING because of his legal issues he has three separate pending cases, one of which is multiple felonies. Floyd aint going to fight until 2012.

 

[MOREBASS]

Okay I get it now: bigface = Leonard Ellerbee

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

I think Pac could easily make 135 but oh well. I used to dog floyd for not going down in weight but I'm not so sure he'd be able to make 140 all that easy anymore. Pac would've earned so much more respect if he went down in weight to fight marquez than beating Mosley, no matter how the mosley fight turns out

How do you figure Pacquiao should gain or lose respect over who he fights when he doesn't even make that decision? Everyone knows he fights whoever Top Rank and Freddie Roach choose. Pacquiao just goes out and fights.

If this was a couple years ago, I'd be more excited about watching Marquez and Pacquiao go at it for a 3rd time. Now, not so much. Pacquiao has gotten better since they last met, Marquez has just gotten older.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Has he got better, or has his competition got worse?

And JMM seems to be getting better to me, aside from the unfair PBF fight he's been spectacular.

Marquez deserves another shot at Pac, more than anyone in the world.

 

[MOREBASS]

He's clearly gotten better. Look at his footwork and balance in his last few fights. He's not out of position nearly as much as he was before. His right hand has developed a lot, and is now nearly as effective as his left hand.

JMM has definitely slowed down a little. You also have to remember Lamberto, that JMM is fighting lightweights, and Manny is fighting guys who are 10-20lbs bigger than he is at welterweight. Marquez is getting touched up and hurt by much smaller guys, and 135 looks like its the highest he should ever go.


This fight at anything higher than 140 is a mismatch in Manny's favor IMO. Marquez has shown that he is ineffective at welterweight, and Pacquiao has proven that he carried both his speed and power up with him to the weight.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

If Timothy Bradley beats Alexander can anyone say they deserve a shot at pac more than him? I don't think so.

 

[8FIVE8]

i think Pac should fight JMM. But this time he should knock him the fuck out. Make it clear

 

[bigface]

I think Manny should fight someone that's actually winning fights and looking good doing it like Marquez, Berto, or Bradley. Marquez EARNED the right to fight Manny at 144lb which was Manny's weight for the Margarito fight. But hey I'm a dipshit because I'm sick of Manny fighting washed up fighters and dodging real challenges with his bullshit excuses. It's cool for Manny to demand all his opponents to come in the ring weight drained, but it's a bad thing for Mayweather to ask for random testing. OK sure I'm the dipshit and you (KAH707KALI) is a Pac-man dickrider plain a simple.. MoreBass, Bigface = someone that calls it like he sees it without all the Manny dick riding or double standards. All the whining I heard about Mayweather dodging so and so from you guys, but yet it's cool for Manny to dodge fights and none of you Manny fans are calling your hero out about it. It's funny reading over all the Manny dickriders defending there hero DUCKING fights just like they claim Mayweather was doing. Double standard after double standard.. Oh wait heres the new Manny excuse I hear "at least he's fighting"... Yes, he's fighting nothing but washed up fighters.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I think Manny should fight someone that's actually winning fights and looking good doing it like Marquez, Berto, or Bradley. Marquez EARNED the right to fight Manny at 144lb which was Manny's weight for the Margarito fight. But hey I'm a dipshit because I'm sick of Manny fighting washed up fighters and dodging real challenges with his bullshit excuses. It's cool for Manny to demand all his opponents to come in the ring weight drained, but it's a bad thing for Mayweather to ask for random testing. OK sure I'm the dipshit and you (KAH707KALI) is a Pac-man dickrider plain a simple.. MoreBass, Bigface = someone that calls it like he sees it without all the Manny dick riding or double standards. All the whining I heard about Mayweather dodging so and so from you guys, but yet it's cool for Manny to dodge fights and none of you Manny fans are calling your hero out about it. It's funny reading over all the Manny dickriders defending there hero DUCKING fights just like they claim Mayweather was doing. Double standard after double standard.. Oh wait heres the new Manny excuse I hear "at least he's fighting"... Yes, he's fighting nothing but washed up fighters.

Yes, he's fighting nothing but washed up fighters.

Which is why you pick Shane Mosley by KO...

 

[bigface]

Yes, I pick Mosley to win and I wrote down my reasons on why I think he will win or at the very least make it a good fight. So what's your point other then you trying to look cool to your fellow Manny fans? Mosley is still washed up..

 

[2-0-Sixx]

quite obviously if you think he's going to knock manny out he can't be THAT washed up.

this fight is what it is. I don't give mosley much of a chance at all. This is like Bernard Hopkins rematch with Roy Jones before fighting Jean Pascal. Or Muhammad Ali fighting Joe Bugner after beating Ron Lyle right before Joe Frazier. Just a guy with a name to bring in some cash.

Mosley is that guy. A guy with a name. Pacquiao has 6 more fights and his career is over. This will be 1 of 6.

 

[bigface]

No smart guy I'm just stating that old washed up Mosley is going to give Manny a good fight, because Manny has fought nothing but slow no defense come forward shot fighters. Since you're one of the main people on here always talking about Mayweather ducking, you should be making a thread about your hero Manny ducking good fights. But nope you're to busy make excuses to justify Manny doing the same thing you claim Mayweather was doing. Double standard anyone.. I can post some of your old comments about Mayweather to show your double standards.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

why does everything have to be about mayweather with you? the guy isn't boxing. Pacquiao isn't mayweather they are two different people two different careers.

listen, i've said time and time again, floyd DESERVED his money fights with Oscar & ricky hatton. There were other people on here criticizing floyd for taking those fights but I defended floyd saying the man deserved his paydays. Shit, what man in their right mind would turn down that kind of money? no one in boxing one. No one. My issue with floyd was he left the sport when the welterweight division was the most stacked it had ever been with an undefeated Cotto, a monster in Margarito, Mosley, Williams, Cintron, etc. Floyd came back, had his tune up and took on mosley, which quote me I stated was a fantastic win for floyd. Then he leaves again.

My problem with floyd is he's a part time fighter at best. He fights once every year or two.

Pacquiao on the other hand is chasing the one big challenge left (mayweather) but can't get it due to floyd not being in boxing for various reasons, so until then we are left with subpar opponents. Mosley is old. Marquez is old and small. Berto is untested. To be honest al these guys suck when it comes to stepping into the ring with pacquiao (or even floyd). But that's what we're left with thanks to floyd being MIA from the sport.

After Pac beats Mosley, then he'll probably beat Marquez and everyone will say exactly what we already knew - he doesn't belong past 140 pounds. Or pac we'll beat berto and everyone we'll say "well who the hell is berto, what they hell did this chump every do?"

Hopefully Bradley beats Alexander and we get a real fight.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

Even if the winner of Bradley/Alexander fights pac, it'll be at 147 and people will still say the fight should've taken place at 140

 

[2-0-Sixx]

bradley proved he can fight at welter in his last fight besides he spent years from 1999 to 2004 between 147 and 152 before turning pro fighting guys like Angulo, Gonzalez, Berto, Vanes Martirosyan, etc. etc. etc.

the only reason he fights at 140 is because he's short only 5'6, which is the same height as pacquiao. He's hella muscular and walks around the middleweight frame.

 

[bigface]

2-0-Sixx - I'm bring up Mayweather to point out your double standards which you have yet to address.

1. How is Manny chasing the Mayweather fight, when his refusal to agree to random testing with a 7-day cut-off window is the reason we're still talking about this in the 1st place. He ducked Mayweather to fight Margarito..

2. So Manny fighting already shot fighters (Margarito, Cotto, and now Mosley) is challenging himself?

3. All you need to do is admit that Manny is doing the same thing that you accuse Mayweather of doing. Plus don't act like I didn't post an ESPN article from 2006 proving that Mayweather didn't fight any of the Top Rank fighters, because Bob Arum didn't want to pay Mayweather his money, and he wanted him to resign with Top Rank in order to fight Cotto or Margarito. Stop acting like Mayweather ducked anyone them slow ass no defense bums.. Do you need me to re-post the article to refresh your memory. Double standard my man attack Manny like you attacked Mayweather for fighting for money and ducking good fights. (THAT'S MY POINT)

 

[bigface]

Chris- You do know that Manny has never weighted in at 147lb limit for any of his fights at 147lb. Manny comes in at 143 -145lb. He just refuses to fight anyone that's winning. He could've fought Marquez at 144lb which was his weight for the Margarito fight., what about Bradley at 144 -147lb, or Berto at 147lb. If Manny beats Bradley, Marquez, or Berto he will get his props from me, because those are three good challenges for him. None of those guys are shot to shit or coming back from a brutal beating loss.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

1. How is Manny chasing the Mayweather fight, when his refusal to agree to random testing with a 7-day cut-off window is the reason we're still talking about this in the 1st place. He ducked Mayweather to fight Margarito..

holy shit are you fucking serious right now? wow, you don't remember pacquiao agreeing and floyd "I'm not thinking about boxing right now, I'm on vacation.............................."

Jesus christ give it a rest man we've went over this for months and months in various other threads, so annoying.

2. So Manny fighting already shot fighters (Margarito, Cotto, and now Mosley) is challenging himself?

Look man, Cotto was a champ and he was moving up in weight. Everyone thought that was a great fight. Cotto is not shot.

Say what you want about Margarito, pacquiao was 20 pounds smaller.

You're picking Molsey to knock pacquiao out so again you ruin your own argument there.

But just for argument sake I already told you I don't think Mosley is much of a challenge for pacquiao and he's just a name that brings in money. I also don't think Marquez is a challenge either. Or Berto.

Again, and this is something your brain can't understand, NONE OF THESE GUYS ARE ON MANNY'S LEVEL. All three of them will get wiped out. All three of them are weak opponents for pacquiao but no one is left to fight thanks to floyd. They will all get their turn though.

3. All you need to do is admit that Manny is doing the same thing that you accuse Mayweather of doing.

Manny retired for 2 years then came back for a fight or two then retired for two years again?

Plus don't act like I didn't post an ESPN article from 2006 proving that Mayweather didn't fight any of the Top Rank fighters, because Bob Arum didn't want to pay Mayweather his money, and he wanted him to resign with Top Rank in order to fight Cotto or Margarito. Stop acting like Mayweather ducked anyone them slow ass no defense bums.. Do you need me to re-post the article to refresh your memory. Double standard my man attack Manny like you attacked Mayweather for fighting for money and ducking good fights. (THAT'S MY POINT)

Yes please re-post that article again so I can re-post my same exact response debunking your entire point. Please do so I can expose your idiotic logic once again.

For the record you didn't really address anything in my reply. I'm like talking to a retarded broken record.

 

[MOREBASS]

Its no use arguing with bigface. He hates Manny and loves Floyd. End of story.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

I still think Cotto might be "shot" in the sense that he's not an elite fighter anymore. He still has some life left and could beat some titlists but he's nowhere near the same fighter he used to be. He might get the most out of what he has left with Steward but he's not the same destructive force he used to be