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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=1&u=/ap/brain_damaged_woman
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&e=1&u=/ap/brain_damaged_woman


By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer
PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - [size=-1]Lying in her hospice bed with a crowd of protesters gathering outside, Terri Schiavo stopped receiving nourishment through a feeding tube that has kept her alive for more than a decade. [/size]





Doctors removed the tube Friday despite an extraordinary, last-minute push by Republicans on Capitol Hill to use the subpoena powers of Congress to keep the brain-damaged woman alive.



Schiavo, 41, could linger one to two weeks, provided no one intercedes and gets the tube reinserted — something that has happened twice before.



But activists promised to keep a vigil for Schiavo, while congressional Republicans and her parents' lawyers promised to go on fighting for her life as she spent her first full day Saturday without food and water.



Outside the hospice, the Rev. Patrick Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition said activists planned to try to enter the hospice Saturday morning "to try to give Terri a cup of water."



But Schiavo's husband said removing the tube was the right thing to do.



"This is what Terri wanted. This is her wish," Michael Schiavo said late Friday on CNN's "Larry King Live." He was at her side shortly after the tube was removed at mid-afternoon. Efforts to reach him for further comment were unsuccessful.



The removal signals that an end may be near in a decade-long feud between Schiavo's husband and her devoutly Roman Catholic parents, Bob and Mary Schindler. The parents have been trying to oust Michael Schiavo as their daughter's guardian and keep in place the tube that has kept her alive for more than 15 years.



Michael Schiavo says his wife told him she would not want to be kept alive artificially. Her parents dispute that, saying she could get better and that their daughter has laughed, cried, smiled and responded to their voices. Court-appointed physicians testified her brain damage was so severe that there was no hope she would ever have any cognitive abilities.



David Gibbs III, the Schindlers' attorney, said he would work through the weekend to prepare another appeal for a federal appellate court. He also said he hoped lawmakers in Washington or Tallahassee could agree on legislation that would force that the tube be reinserted.



"I'm hopeful these men and women can get a strategy, get a focus, because we're running out of time," Gibbs said.



Earlier Friday, Republicans on Capitol Hill used their subpoena power to demand that Terri Schiavo be brought before a congressional hearing, saying that removing the tube amounted to "barbarism." Michael Schiavo's attorney shot back at a news conference, calling the subpoenas "nothing short of thuggery."



"Terri Schiavo has a right to die in peace," attorney George Felos said.



The judge presiding over the case ruled in the husband's favor and rejected the request from House attorneys to delay the removal, which he had previously ordered to take place at 1 p.m. EST.



"I have had no cogent reason why the (congressional) committee should intervene," Circuit Judge George Greer told attorneys in a conference call, adding that last-minute action by Congress does not invalidate years of court rulings.



Gov. Jeb Bush said the judge's decision "breaks my heart" and noted it often takes two decades for a death row inmate's appeals to go through the system.



"There's this rush to starve her to death," Bush said.







Late Friday, the Supreme Court, without comment, denied an emergency request from the House committee that issued the subpoenas to reinsert Schiavo's feeding tube while the committee files appeals in the lower courts to have its subpoenas recognized.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said in a statement late Friday that they "are committed to reaching an agreement on legislation that provides an opportunity to save Mrs. Schiavo's life."

Schiavo suffered severe brain damage in 1990 when a chemical imbalance apparently brought on by an eating disorder caused her heart to stop beating for a few minutes. She can breathe on her own, but has relied on the feeding and hydration tube to keep her alive.

Both sides accused each other of being motivated by greed over a $1 million medical malpractice award from doctors who failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance.

The Schindlers also said Michael Schiavo wants their daughter dead so he can marry his longtime girlfriend, with whom he has young children. They have begged him to divorce their daughter, and let them care for her.

The tangled case has encompassed at least 19 judges in at least six different courts.

In 2001, Schiavo went without food and water for two days before a judge ordered the tube reinserted when a new witness surfaced.

When the tube was removed in October 2003, her parents and two siblings frantically sought intervention from Gov Jeb. Bush to stop her slow starvation. The governor pushed through "Terri's Law," and six days later the tube was reinserted.

That set off a new round of legal battles that culminated in September 2004 with the Florida Supreme Court (news - web sites) ruling that Bush had overstepped his authority and declared the law unconstitutional.

On Feb. 25, Circuit Judge George Greer gave Michael Schiavo permission to order the removal of the feeding tube Friday.

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On the Net:

Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation: http:www.terrisfight.org

THIS SHIT JUS DONT MAKE SENSE TO ME.....WE GOT MAFUCCAZ ON DEATH ROW WITH MORE RIGHTS TO LIVE AND TO DIE HUMANELY.....SHIT THEY EVEN GET A LAST MEAL.....HOW THE HELL IS A JUDGE IN THIS COUNTRY GONNA ORDER SOMEONE TO STARVE TO DEATH????!!!!! WE DONT EVEN TREAT DOGS LIKE THIS!!!! I MEAN AT THE LEAST THEY COULD PUT HER TO SLEEP OR SOMETHIN....JUS CUZ SHE HAS SEVERE BRAIN DAMAGE DOESNT MEAN SHE WONT SUFFER FROM STARVING AND DEHYDRATION.....SOMEONE SHOULD STARVE TO DEATH THE JUDGES, DOCTORS, HER HUSBAND....ANYONE THAT THINKS THIS IS OK.......

IVE SEEN A LOTTA FUCCED UP SHIT IN MY LIFE BUT THIS TAKES THE CAKE ON A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL.....

AND AFTER THE BIG ASS DEAL THEY MADE ABOUT DR KAVORKIAN....WHEN HE WAS HELPIN PEOPLE THAT WERE MENTALLY STABLE AND WANTED TO DIE SO AS NOT TO SUFFER FROM THIER TERMINAL DISEASE....AND AT LEAST HE DIDNT STARVE THEM!!!!!

IF THIS SHIT IS ALLOWED WTF IS NEXT????

IF I WAS A MEMBER OF HER FAMILY ID PULL A JOHN Q AND TAKE A DOCTOR HOSTAGE OR SOMETHIN AND FORCE EM TO PUT THAT TUBE BACC IN....THIS JUS DONT MAKE SENSE MAN.....
 

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Couldn't sleep..........5 am........


The husband should have been respectful to HER family and allowed them to take control of her situation. Congress is too busy looking for steroid users who shove needles up thier assholes...............


no love.......sleep.........i need it.........
 
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yah FER REAL....this shit did make me feel a little uneasy....its SAD....its sad that a persons life is this "game" between conservatives, her family, etc.
 
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She won't suffer though.. Her brain is dead, but her body is alive. She won't go through any pain. In retrospect, it'd be best to give a letha injection so her body would die faster. I feel for her husband though.. Due to the compassion law he can't divorce her, and he's gotta make the best decision that he can. It's time he got to move on with life, and that her body got to rest.
 
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how do you know she wont feel pain???? are you her???? i dont care how damaged her brain is anyone that dies of starvation and dehydration gotta feel somethin.....and even if she dont thas a fucced up way for her family to watch her die cuz they gotta feel her pain for her.....like you said at least a lethal injection ta die fast and easy.....and her husband is a selfish ass mafucca....he married her for a reason....its till death do us part....not till you get brain damaged and i pull the feeding tube do us part....
 
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Nah man I aint her. I feel for her, I really do, but you gotta consider the emotional turmoil a man will got through when you're married to a vegetable. Ask me if I feel that personally too? Nah, I don't.. And cause I don't, I don't know what I'd do. But consider it a second that you married a girl, and she gets brain damaged and can't do anything. Can't talk. Can't walk. Just drools and will NEVER get any different. You gotta think about what's best. I aint saying the man made the right choice, cause starvation is a terrible way to die, but he has to move on with his life. it's tragic, but one's gotta consider way too much to make a final decicion.
 
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whats funny is you have liberals that are fighting their hearts out to defend the so called "rights" of TERRORISTS who want to kill us, but they wont stand up and fight for this ladies rights to not be killed a slow and in my opinion painful death, by a husband who has already moved on and is living with another woman that he has 2 kids with.

why cant he just move on and let the family, who is willing, to take control of her???????
 
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I think it's good the husband has moved on, but he does seriously need to let go of the rights of the woman. It'd be better if he could divorce her too, and let the family deal with it.
 
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from what im seeing Mcleanhatch most of the country....liberal or not....republican or democratic....is on her side so i dont see your point.....

as of today:


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto..._co/brain_damaged_woman_congress&sid=84439559


By SIOBHAN McDONOUGH, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Congressional leaders hoped a deal reached Saturday would clear the way for a brain-damaged woman to resume being fed while a federal court reviews the right-to-die battle between her parents and her husband.

"We think we have found a solution" to the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said at a Capitol Hill news conference.


"I'm pleased to announce that House and Senate Republican leadership have reached an agreement on a legislative solution," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee said a few hours later at the start of a brief Senate session.


"Under the legislation we will soon consider Terry Schiavo will have another chance," said Frist.


"We are confident this compromise addresses everyone's concerns, we are confident it will provide Mrs. Schiavo a clear and appropriate avenue for appeal in federal court, and most importantly, we are confident this compromise will restore nutrition and hydration to Mrs. Schiavo as long as that appeal endures," DeLay said.


House approval was hoped for Sunday when the House planned to meet in a special session, he said.


The Senate session Saturday evening was convened to formally give necessary permission for the House to meet Sunday, when it otherwise would be in recess under a previously passed Easter recess resolution.


The plan is for the House to act on the two-page bill Sunday, or just after midnight Monday morning if someone objects to the bill being taken up on an expedited basis Sunday.


Frist said the Senate then would act on the House legislation later Monday, assuming it passes the House as envisioned, and rush the bill to the president for signature into law.


President Bush (news - web sites) was expected to sign the bill as soon as it gets to him.


A White House spokesman, Jeanie Mamo, said the president, who was at his Texas ranch "was supportive of the efforts by congressional leaders. We remain in contact with Congress and the president is being kept apprised."


The compromise was similar to a Senate bill passed Thursday that would let a federal court review the state judge's decision in the Schiavo case. House Republicans had favored broader legislation that applied similar cases that questioned the legality of withholding food or medical treatment from people who are incapacitated.


Schiavo's feeding tube was disconnected Friday afternoon. Schiavo, 41, could linger for one to two weeks if no one intercedes and gets the tube reinserted.


GOP Rep. James Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (news - web sites), said the measure was "narrowly targeted" and did not set a precedent.


For a decade, a feud has raged between Schiavo's husband, Michael, and her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who have tried to oust Michael Schiavo as their daughter's guardian and keep in place the tube that has kept her alive for more than 15 years.


Michael Schiavo says his wife told him she would not want to be kept alive artificially. Her parents dispute that, saying she could get better and that their daughter has laughed, cried, smiled and responded to their voices.


On Friday, Republicans used their subpoena power to demand that Schiavo be brought before a congressional hearing, with lawmakers saying that removing the tube amounted to "barbarism."





The Florida judge presiding over the case rejected the request from House lawyers to delay the tube's removal. Late Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites), without comment, denied an emergency request from the House committee that issued the subpoenas to reinsert Schiavo's feeding tube while the committee filed appeals in the lower courts to have its subpoenas recognized.
 
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My point: Her husband should not have to be responsible for her anymore, and should be able to divorce her and move on with his life.

Also, if she is going to be kept on a feeding tube, ok. But separate that responsibility from her husband and his new life. I agree that it's wrong to starve a human being, vegetative or not, to death, but her husband has the right to have a new family.

I am glad she's gonna live, but I wish the government would allow her husband to divorce and cut her from his life, so he can begin anew. Sorry my point was too vague.
 
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from what im seeing Mcleanhatch most of the country....liberal or not....republican or democratic....is on her side so i dont see your point......
of the people ya, but not the polititians. and the liberals and.or democrats are siding with the husband in favor of killing her.

read your own article all the ones fighting for her are republicans.

209 Studioz said:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto..._co/brain_damaged_woman_congress&sid=84439559


By SIOBHAN McDONOUGH, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Congressional leaders hoped a deal reached Saturday would clear the way for a brain-damaged woman to resume being fed while a federal court reviews the right-to-die battle between her parents and her husband.

"We think we have found a solution" to the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said at a Capitol Hill news conference.


"I'm pleased to announce that House and Senate Republican leadership have reached an agreement on a legislative solution," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee said a few hours later at the start of a brief Senate session.

President Bush (news - web sites) was expected to sign the bill as soon as it gets to him.

House Republicans had favored broader legislation that applied similar cases that questioned the legality of withholding food or medical treatment from people who are incapacitated.

GOP Rep. James Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (news - web sites), said the measure was "narrowly targeted" and did not set a precedent.

On Friday, Republicans used their subpoena power to demand that Schiavo be brought before a congressional hearing, with lawmakers saying that removing the tube amounted to "barbarism.".
i have been watching C-span for most of the day only to see house democrats in favor of ending her life.

thats what i meant by liberals, the polititians that are liberals and in position to help her but wont, the same ones that are fighting tooth and nails to give enemy combatants who would kill us if they could full american citizen rights
 
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050321/D88V3FC00.html
Mar 20, 9:55 PM (ET)
By JIM ABRAMS


WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate passed a bill that could prolong Terri Schiavo's life while House Republicans, stalled by Democrats, scrambled to bring enough lawmakers back to the Capitol for an emergency vote early Monday.

President Bush rushed back from his Texas ranch for a chance to sign the measure that could trigger a federal court review and a quick restoration of feeding tubes needed to keep the brain-damaged Florida woman alive.

Republican supporters said the "Palm Sunday Compromise" would protect the constitutional rights of a disabled person, and denied suggestions that they viewed the case as an opportunity to shore up support among religious conservatives ahead of next year's elections.

The House began debate on the legislation anew late Sunday, with the plan to vote just past midnight, hours after the Senate approved the bill by voice vote.

"As millions of Americans observe the beginning of Holy Week this Palm Sunday we are reminded that every life has purpose and none is without meaning," said House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., a leader in crafting the bill.

But Rep. Jim Davis, D-Fla., said the congressional action was "a clear threat to our democracy." Congress, he said, was ignoring the constitutional separation of power and "is on the verge of telling states, courts, judges and juries that their opinions, deliberations and decisions do not matter."

The White House said the president would act as soon as the measure reaches him.

"We ought to err on the side of life in a case like this," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. Asked about a bill that would cover a single person, he said, "I think most people recognize that this case involves some extraordinary circumstances."

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said the federal district court in Florida, which is open 24 hours a day, had already been informed that a petition would be filed as soon as the president signs the measure - with the presumption a judge will order that the tube be replaced.

"Time is not on Terri Schiavo's side," DeLay said. "The few remaining objecting House Democrats have so far cost Mrs. Schiavo two meals already today."

Even though the legislation would pave an avenue for federal jurisdiction in the legal case, there was no way to determine in advance how or when a judge would rule - or even which judge would be assigned the case by lottery.

Lawmakers who left Washington on Friday for the two-week Easter recess had to make abrupt changes in plans, backtracking for a dramatic and politically contentious vote.

In a special session Sunday afternoon, Democrats refused to allow the bill to be passed without a roll call vote.
Under House rules, such a vote could not occur before 12:01 a.m. Monday when at least 218 of the 435-member House must appear to establish a quorum. Also, because it was an expedited vote, the measure needed votes from two-thirds of those present for passage.

The House has 232 Republicans, 202 Democrats and one independent.

The legislation would give Schiavo's parents the right to file suit in federal court over the withdrawal of food and medical treatment needed to sustain the life of their daughter.

It says the court, after determining the merits of the suit, "shall issue such declaratory and injunctive relief as may be necessary to protect the rights" of the woman. Injunctive relief in this case could mean the reinserting of feeding tubes.

"It gives Terri Schiavo another chance," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said after the late-afternoon voice vote in a near-empty Senate chamber. "It guarantees a process to help Terri, but does not guarantee a particular outcome."

Frist also noted that the bill, responding to some Democratic objections, does not affect state assisted suicide laws or serve as a precedent for future legislation.

A Senate bill passed by the House is returned to the Senate enrollment clerk's office where it is printed on parchment and, when speed is important, driven immediately to the White House by Senate personnel. There, the White House clerk takes custody of the legislation and prepares it for the president to sign into law.

The White House made arrangements for Bush to sign the measure at any hour, although without fanfare.

Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., said members scattered across the globe were being summoned back to Washington by aides to House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo.

The Democratic whip, Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said his office was informing members of the vote and not discouraging them from returning to the capital. But he said the party was not counting votes and was telling members to vote their conscience on the issue.

Schiavo has been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years. Her feeding tubes were removed Friday afternoon at the request of her husband, who says that his wife expressed to him before she fell ill that she did not want to be kept alive under such circumstances.

House and Senate committees at the end of the week issued subpoenas seeking to force the continuation of treatment, but that move was rejected by a Florida court.

Schiavo could linger for one or two weeks if the tube is not reinserted, as has happened twice before.

Republicans distanced themselves from a memo suggesting GOP lawmakers could use the case to appeal to Christian conservative voters and to force Democrats into a difficult vote. DeLay said he and other GOP leaders hadn't seen the memo and that he would fire any staffer who wrote such a document.
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The bill is S.686.
On the Net:
Congress: http://thomas.loc.gov/
 
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still dont see your point....so they wanna try to clear the red tape.....i never said republicans werent helping....i said most of america is on her side......your republican folks do a lotta shit that you deny and you get the one chance to be somewhat correct and you jump on it like its one of your pet birds.....besides i dont claim to be a democrat anyways....im my own person i dont need to take sides you all are a bunch a posers to me.....
 
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it's funny how them republicans talk about saving the lives of unborn children and yet they wanna go all out and kill these "terrorists" who aint trynna kill me or anybody else the government says they trynna kill..

but as for the subject, she needs a machine to stay alive. She aint even eatin herself, she's just there. That aint living, and if that was me I know for damn sure I'd want my folks to pull the plug. I don't see why you'd want someone to live for decades when they can't even live on their own. That reminds me of that one movie wit that army foo back in the 60s I think when he was a vegetable and in his mind he kept asking for them to kill him.
 

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If the parents want her to live and the husband has moved on with his life he should respect THEM. He has moved on with his life but she will ALWAYS be someones daughter. If they want to take care of her and they feel she has hope they should be able to do so.


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I'm not liberal, or conservative, I guess I am middle of the road.. I don't know, cause I'm not democrat or republican either. I'm not good with politics.. I just think the husband should be able to divorce, remarry and hand over ALL responsibilities to her parents so that THEY can do what they want with her.. I did some thinkin and yea, bein starved to death, even for a vegetative human being, is pretty damn bad.. So, just hand over the rights and get out, y'know? But no one's got a say except the people who don't listen.